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Success is Determined by Your Ancestors and their Surname

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posted on Feb, 23 2014 @ 10:26 AM
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Hey ATS,

I came across an interesting article of which i thought is worth a share. The article is authored by Gregory Clark, a professor of economics at the University of California.

The article provides information concerning our ancestors, and the role they play in determining our success today. The studies conducted by the author have found that traits held by one's ancestors are generally passed down through the familial line. As a result, individuals have a high chance at remaining in the lower spectrum of society if their ancestors held a similar position. The same result can be attributed to those who are successful. Those whose ancestors were successful, have a higher chance of success in modern society, themselves.

The article is extremely interesting, and it is well worth a read. Here is an excerpt. For more information, click on the link below:


When you look across centuries, and at social status broadly measured — not just income and wealth, but also occupation, education and longevity — social mobility is much slower than many of us believe, or want to believe. This is true in Sweden, a social welfare state; England, where industrial capitalism was born; the United States, one of the most heterogeneous societies in history; and India, a fairly new democracy hobbled by the legacy of caste. Capitalism has not led to pervasive, rapid mobility. Nor have democratization, mass public education, the decline of nepotism, redistributive taxation, the emancipation of women, or even, as in China, socialist revolution.

To a striking extent, your overall life chances can be predicted not just from your parents’ status but also from your great-great-great-grandparents’. The recent study suggests that 10 percent of variation in income can be predicted based on your parents’ earnings. In contrast, my colleagues and I estimate that 50 to 60 percent of variation in overall status is determined by your lineage. The fortunes of high-status families inexorably fall, and those of low-status families rise, toward the average — what social scientists call “regression to the mean” — but the process can take 10 to 15 generations (300 to 450 years), much longer than most social scientists have estimated in the past.

We came to these conclusions after examining reams of data on surnames, a surprisingly strong indicator of social status, in eight countries — Chile, China, England, India, Japan, South Korea, Sweden and the United States — going back centuries. Across all of them, rare or distinctive surnames associated with elite families many generations ago are still disproportionately represented among today’s elites.

Does this imply that individuals have no control over their life outcomes? No. In modern meritocratic societies, success still depends on individual effort. Our findings suggest, however, that the compulsion to strive, the talent to prosper and the ability to overcome failure are strongly inherited. We can’t know for certain what the mechanism of that inheritance is, though we know that genetics plays a surprisingly strong role. Alternative explanations that are in vogue — cultural traits, family economic resources, social networks — don’t hold up to scrutiny.


mobile.nytimes.com...




posted on Feb, 23 2014 @ 10:42 AM
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That is very interesting.....
I recently found out that my last name is on the list of the ten oldest "criminal" names in Jolly old England..............and the different variations of it have been coming up regularly over the centuries.....in criminal proceedings.....
Oh well one of those ancestors is in the running for the title of William Shakespere....(I guess nobody really knows for sure)
So.......where does that leave me?
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posted on Feb, 23 2014 @ 11:06 AM
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stirling
That is very interesting.....
I recently found out that my last name is on the list of the ten oldest "criminal" names in Jolly old England..............and the different variations of it have been coming up regularly over the centuries.....in criminal proceedings.....
Oh well one of those ancestors is in the running for the title of William Shakespere....(I guess nobody really knows for sure)
So.......where does that leave me?
edit on 23-2-2014 by stirling because: (no reason given)


Haha, ah that is interesting. I'm guessing you'll be fine though. While the genetics does play a role, it is still up to the individual to make the success happen.


My surname comes from a family of reivers in the border areas between England and Scotland...lol. I guess my lineage wasn't of a 'successful' quality then!



posted on Feb, 23 2014 @ 11:14 AM
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this thread has the potential to make alot of people very bummed i think... its made me very bummed for the opposite reason and this should bring solace to those that immediately felt lessened by not having either the lineage or proof of lineage.

I have proof of my lineage that goes back through some of the most powerful and intelligent people of the worlds history. 1700 years of kings and queens and their closest circles. some of the smartest thinkers of our time fall into my ancestry. i have a tendency to think very outside the box like 1 ancestor of mine in particular but all in all I'm a normal ole american. my recent ancestors blew any money that would of been left of any old family fortune and the rat race of today chewed me up and kept me from knowing my lineage until i was 27 years old. i can only wonder what i might of become had i known earlier?

either way. i have arguably some of the more prominent and powerful (In a social sort of way) genes in me and i became nothing..... i worked as a tradesman for a long time. since the downturn I've done whatever i can do to get by and I've always managed but its no easier for me then others. if anything it may be harder cause i think more dire of my own situation and the fact that i have very lofty goals for myself. happiness isn't easily attained for me.

whether this has anything to do with genetics i dont know but i sure know that when i found out about my heritage i said WTF! i thought that all it took! some fancy lineage!
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posted on Feb, 23 2014 @ 11:27 AM
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Ah man, that sucks!

You still have time to strike it rich though. You say you possess the creativity of your ancestors? Get out there and think! Make things happen. Design things. Think of things no one else has before. If the genetics thing rings true, i'm sure you could find some success.


Good luck!



posted on Feb, 23 2014 @ 11:34 AM
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I think that this sentence sums up the outcome quite nicely.


Does this imply that individuals have no control over their life outcomes? No. In modern meritocratic societies, success still depends on individual effort.


I come from a long line of people who have been very successful in life, many of whom also have had a impact on how this Nation (the U.S) has evolved. Roger Sherman, Gen. Tecumsah Sherman, etc...etc.

But those were their deeds, not mine. I have been raised that if I want to succeed in life, I have to work for it.



posted on Feb, 23 2014 @ 11:44 AM
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o I'm working on it! trying to be too creative and outside the box gets ya nowhere too. trying to find the balance of creative/possible/marketable is the challenge. I've got a doozie of an idea at the moment tho just not sure how to "pull the trigger" so to say. its also an idea for a weapon... i cant help but remember how haunted ole mr winchester was. i dont know if i wanna be the guy responsible for the death of the next billion people to die by the gun.

I'm pretty sure out of my whole line of ancestors I'm the most like the poorest of them all. poorest in monetary terms. this one ancestor was also probably the richest in spirit and knowledge. had the biggest library in all of Europe for a while. royalty lived their lives based on decisions made by him. he cared not about trivial issues and wondered about the HARDEST problems we face as a species. sadly i feel I'm probably destined to this being my future. worrying about big things and not being content with 40 acres and mule. bread and circus's just aren't enough for me but being rich would make me miserable.

my main goal is to create a well gotten mini fortune for my future descendants to be able to launch their lives with. using the knowledge of the genetics I'm passing on HOPEFULLY one of my progeny can live to be something amazing. me tho, il just set the stage i think.



posted on Feb, 23 2014 @ 11:49 AM
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As a result, individuals have a high chance at remaining in the lower spectrum of society if their ancestors held a similar position.

Whoops, there goes that imaginary dividing line of class distinction again.

What makes a better person? Success? Head of the "class"?



posted on Feb, 23 2014 @ 11:56 AM
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I think that the key here for you would be to realize that you cannot create a mini-fortune for your descendants. They will and always will outnumber you. Unless your family genetics comes to a screech halt. All you can do is prep for your immediate family.

Even Queen Elizabeth II wouldn't be where she is today if it weren't for the UK's laws and traditions.

If being born of high-born lineage, I would be rolling in dough. But of course I'm not. It gets diluted over time, ya know?

I would say, market your device. Your not killing people, others are. Think of your device as a hammer. It's a tool that can be used for good or bad. Nothing more.

Get rich. Take care of your family.



posted on Feb, 23 2014 @ 11:58 AM
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TDawgRex
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I think that the key here for you would be to realize that you cannot create a mini-fortune for your descendants. They will and always will outnumber you. Unless your family genetics comes to a screech halt. All you can do is prep for your immediate family.

Even Queen Elizabeth II wouldn't be where she is today if it weren't for the UK's laws and traditions.

If being born of high-born lineage, I would be rolling in dough. But of course I'm not. It gets diluted over time, ya know?

I would say, market your device. Your not killing people, others are. Think of your device as a hammer. It's a tool that can be used for good or bad. Nothing more.

Get rich. Take care of your family.


Couldn't have said it better myself.



posted on Feb, 23 2014 @ 12:04 PM
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There is more to this than most people can comprehend. Sure there are the royal lines, and the surf/worker lines of names. There are also the holy lines of names. Also the Old names...many of these old names are changed to another name when they go into a different society, based on the meaning of the name. I have a very old family name yet most people do not know of these name changes that have occurred over the millenniums. This follows a male male line going back thousands of years. In the females the offsprings name is altered a little, confusing the tracking of the line. If there is a la or gren on the end, this can show the direction of the change in the scandinavian and germanic lines.



posted on Feb, 23 2014 @ 12:11 PM
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thats kinda how i was trying to justify it. just because people aren't being shot with a gun thats got my name on it doesn't mean there not going to get shot. my weapon isn't a weapon of mass destruction. its just a simple twist on the coil gun that would make it feasible and familiar.

and i think i could get a nice little chunk set aside for my future offspring. remote land is one thing il be scooping up. having a pile of money for future generations is just asking for kids like paris and nikki hilton (relatives of mine only 4 generations ago). i wanna leave tools behind. land, workshops, mining equipment, logging equipment, a wood mill to make boards. a large self sustaining farm thats ez enough to maintain. basically i wanna start up my own little spot that without anything from the outside the inhabitants can thrive. il leave it up to those inhabitants to make something more for themselves. at that point if they totally blow it, thats their fault lol! i taught em to fish what more can they ask for!



posted on Feb, 23 2014 @ 12:13 PM
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intrptr
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As a result, individuals have a high chance at remaining in the lower spectrum of society if their ancestors held a similar position.

Whoops, there goes that imaginary dividing line of class distinction again.

What makes a better person? Success? Head of the "class"?



Well, there is a bit of irony there isn't there? Anyone who is thinking "class distinction" is probably already at the end of the line. It's a new world these days. I suffer from "financial retardation" and even though I retired at a young age, I still struggle to make ends meet. (And no...I don't have the latest and greatest gadgets)

But I have to be who I am. I have to get out there and enjoy myself and continue the adventure of life. Sitting around because my back hurts sucks! Gotta move, ya know?



posted on Feb, 23 2014 @ 12:18 PM
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Dad? Is that you?


I don't think so, as I am not related to the Hiltons.

But that does sound a lot like my Fathers plan. He told me recently, that many of the kids are not going to be pleased when he and Ma pass. I told him, that I am retired and he can give anything that he was planning to give me to the others that deserve it and need it.

I hope he listens this time.



posted on Feb, 23 2014 @ 12:21 PM
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I have to get out there and enjoy myself and continue the adventure of life. Sitting around because my back hurts sucks! Gotta move, ya know?

Agreed, I walk my dog five times a day. I dive in dumpsters, recycle metals and sell stuff at flea markets. Been a fine adventure so far.



posted on Feb, 23 2014 @ 12:28 PM
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It's just a name, people can change it like underwear.

The success of one's life is determined by the individual.



posted on Feb, 23 2014 @ 12:29 PM
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dads listen? LOL funny!



posted on Feb, 23 2014 @ 12:45 PM
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agreed, BUT! id have to say that we are very much shaped by our ancestors. if you have a long line of beserkers as ancestors, the big tall hard fought warriors of the world, chances are your going to be a GIANT caveman style beast!

doesn't mean you cant make it to parliament

bigfootevidence.blogspot.com...

BUT i would have to say that if this guy really wanted to be a ballerina i dont think it would of worked out.

our ancestry puts us on the general path that our life can take but we can veer off whenever we want and try to be anything we want to be, chances are tho, you would succeed better at things your genetically inclined to do.

theirs also recessive traits and mutations that pop up all over the place. who knows 300 years ago someone could of married a ballerina in that GIANT dudes ancestry and maybe he's got the balance of an angel. all a crap shoot really but if your better at one thing then all others, maybe your better cause your genes say so.
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posted on Feb, 23 2014 @ 01:10 PM
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Anyone who has seen clips of Rich Kids of Beverly Hills understands that those kids don't likely stand a chance when they take over the reigns of their parents' money unless their parents are smart enough to think one generation ahead and cushion their spoiled, entitled seed from financial disaster.

Those kids' heads are so empty I'd be surprised if they recognized a finance report let alone knew how to understand it.

The thing about success and class strata is that the people who inhabit each division are very seldom the same. If you look at the top 400 in Forbes, 6 or 7 of every 10 of them came up from nothing and made themselves. So, I guess the question is ... how many "power" names are in their ancestry?

Them, you have to realize that given the realities of inheritance, all of us alive today are likely related to some very successful names. That's just the name of the game and the reality of being a descendent. There's success in more than money, and we're all proof of that.



posted on Feb, 23 2014 @ 01:55 PM
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I'm still pissed because I'm a direct descendant of King Charlemagne and I'm poor. How does that happen? How do you come from royalty and end up just getting by? LOL Not fair!



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