BBC mainstream media beginning to report Vitamin C as cancer treatment

www.bbc.co.uk...

Just noticed this on BBC news website - it seems they're slowly beginning to report what many of us have advocated for some time now.

High-dose vitamin C can boost the cancer-killing effect of chemotherapy in the lab and mice, research suggests.

Given by injection, it could potentially be a safe, effective and low-cost treatment for ovarian and other cancers, say US scientists.

Reporting in Science Translational Medicine, they call for large-scale government clinical trials.

They even hint why pharma company's are not interested in funding trials due to lack of return on investment:

Pharmaceutical companies are unlikely to run trials, as vitamins cannot be patented.

I hope this is the beginning of the end to the 'profit before health' system we currently abide by.

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Good news. If common sense can visit every once in awhile, maybe humans have a chance of reversing the misconceptions and use the practicality of already established knowledge to better themselves.

As England's news reporting goes so goes Canada's, and if everyone can eventually and finally get their act together on this treatment then hope is right around the corner (popping its head out once in awhile). Or maybe a determining board or individuals in cities, states, provinces, etc can work to include this treatment in the standard procedure.

can boost the cancer-killing effect of chemotherapy

Lol... wouldn't want to admit that it's effective by its self would we.

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I hope this is the beginning of the end to the 'profit before health' system we currently abide by.

So do i.

They still offer an olive branch to BP in the shape of 'high dose Vit C boosting the effectiveness of chemo' rhetoric, but it's a surprising start in the right direction.

I agree with you, i look forwards to a day where immoral profit motives are totally removed from medicine.

Baby steps, but at least it is progress.

I'm sure this has been posted already, but hey ho...

I would like to point out that ingested Vit C was found to have no effect, so chowing down 40 oranges a day won't help. They gave these patients intravenous injections of the stuff which seemed to do the trick by helping the chemo.

stumason
I'm sure this has been posted already, but hey ho...

I would like to point out that ingested Vit C was found to have no effect, so chowing down 40 oranges a day won't help. They gave these patients intravenous injections of the stuff which seemed to do the trick by helping the chemo.

Apologies if it has, it's a very recent article and I forgot to do the rudimentary search before posting - my bad. I believe several threads are of the same rhetoric but I feel this subject warrants regular bumping.

They forgot to mention liposomal encapsulated - if I recall correctly has improved bioavailability and cell absorption is higher as it goes straight to the liver.

Aleister
Or maybe a determining board or individuals in cities, states, provinces, etc can work to include this treatment in the standard procedure.

I'm of the mindset now that I can take my own health into my own hands - I've all but lost faith in the doctors and their pill pushing. If I broke a bone or sustained physical injury then they have their place - but the allopathic method of putting a patch on a symptom instead of treating the root cause of an illness just doesn't wash with me anymore. I see this way of thinking is becoming increasingly popular - thanks to the internet and the abundance of information freely available people are for the first time able to make informed decisions on their health and well being.

If normally your body only needs a certain amount of a vitamin and you take a high dose, the rest is just flushed out of your system. No?

Night Star
If normally your body only needs a certain amount of a vitamin and you take a high dose, the rest is just flushed out of your system. No?

Yup, it flushes right out.

The only major side effect from consuming too much vitamin C is upset stomach due to osmotic effects in your GI tract. Usually pretty minor.

Interestingly, lots of immune cells have highs concentrations of VitC. Boosting the natural abilities of our immune system might help prevent cancer, ie cancers that have just started to develop (like the first few rounds of uncontrolled cell division), but I'd be skeptical of giving this as a primary treatment to an individual with a diagnosed case of cancer without a ton more research done on the matter.

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I can understand some people's suspicion of the medical profession, but you still need these individuals to diagnose your illness, before you go down the route of self medicating. Prevention is obviously the best way forward, but you never know when something might go wrong. It takes medical proffesionals to diagnose an illness, how you go about treating it is up to you with the information you have available.

woodwardjnr
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I can understand some people's suspicion of the medical profession, but you still need these individuals to diagnose your illness, before you go down the route of self medicating. Prevention is obviously the best way forward, but you never know when something might go wrong. It takes medical proffesionals to diagnose an illness, how you go about treating it is up to you with the information you have available.

I was passed between medical professionals and consultants for the best part of 9 years - end diagnosis was IBS and depression.

IBS is a cop-out diagnosis, depression was an outright misdiagnosis. Through research I decided that changing my diet and eliminating allergens (gluten was the one that made the biggest difference), sugar and limiting my carb intake I've completely cured myself of the crippling stomach pains, regular illnesses and lack of energy/constant brain fog (despite regular exercise I always felt run down and I had what was considered by the mainstream a healthy diet).

I agree with your statement to an extent, but sometimes you have to take matters into your own hands. I think doctors are slowly starting to come around to using nutrition as a way to control illness - things like coeliac/gluten intolerances and gut bacterial and fungal imbalances due to over subscribing antibiotics are becoming more mainstream.

Big UPs on Vit C...I take that like Candy daily!

Skywatcher2011
Big UPs on Vit C...I take that like Candy daily!

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stumason
I'm sure this has been posted already, but hey ho...

I would like to point out that ingested Vit C was found to have no effect, so chowing down 40 oranges a day won't help. They gave these patients intravenous injections of the stuff which seemed to do the trick by helping the chemo.

That's correct, IV is a better way to get it into your tissues.

But as someone said below, easy to make at home - liposomal encapsulated Vitamin C is far more effective at passing through the digestive system that just taking large doses of tablet form Vit C.

If you take a 1000mg Vit C tab, only about 10% - 20% will make it out of your stomach, versus Liposomal encapsulated Vit C which is basically nano coated Vit C, up to 70% - 80% will make it into your tissues and cells.

IV is definitely better, but Liposomal Vit C comes in a close 2nd.

Pharmaceutical companies are unlikely to run trials, as vitamins cannot be patented.

I wish this had not been said out loud, as it's only a matter of time before the lawyers set out to change those patent laws!

FYI, the rate of absorption from the gut for Vit C is highly regulated and depends on the current state of oxidative stress in the body. If you are sick with the flu, for example you can take over 100g in 24 hours without saturation. This is because the body is using it as fast as you are taking it. When you are healthy you could you might reach bowel tolerance with as few as 4-6 g. Most mammals produce their own Vit C but do to a mutation in our ancestors we no longer can. This means that we should be taking far more than we are for maximum health, and 'bowel tolerance' is a way of figuring out your personal requirements at any given time.

saneguy
FYI, the rate of absorption from the gut for Vit C is highly regulated and depends on the current state of oxidative stress in the body. If you are sick with the flu, for example you can take over 100g in 24 hours without saturation. This is because the body is using it as fast as you are taking it. When you are healthy you could you might reach bowel tolerance with as few as 4-6 g. Most mammals produce their own Vit C but do to a mutation in our ancestors we no longer can. This means that we should be taking far more than we are for maximum health, and 'bowel tolerance' is a way of figuring out your personal requirements at any given time.

Spot on.

IOW, it'll give you the squits if you take too much, and your body doesn't need it. (been there, done that)

Interestingly, it's thought that when our ancient ancestors lost the ability to produce our own Vit C, that was the start or the genesis of our becoming an intelligent species, as we had to suddenly get it from certain foods.

MysterX

stumason
I'm sure this has been posted already, but hey ho...

I would like to point out that ingested Vit C was found to have no effect, so chowing down 40 oranges a day won't help. They gave these patients intravenous injections of the stuff which seemed to do the trick by helping the chemo.

That's correct, IV is a better way to get it into your tissues.

But as someone said below, easy to make at home - liposomal encapsulated Vitamin C is far more effective at passing through the digestive system that just taking large doses of tablet form Vit C.

If you take a 1000mg Vit C tab, only about 10% - 20% will make it out of your stomach, versus Liposomal encapsulated Vit C which is basically nano coated Vit C, up to 70% - 80% will make it into your tissues and cells.

IV is definitely better, but Liposomal Vit C comes in a close 2nd.

I think liposomal vitamin C is proclaimed to be better for cell absorption and more cost effective too than IV.

How did six grams orally work as well as 50 grams of IV C daily?

At first, cardiologist and orthomolecular specialist Dr. Thomas Levy couldn’t believe what was happening with this oral Lypo-Spheric’s ability to match or surpass clinical results of much higher doses of IV C.

Dr. Levy came to realize that the combination of vitamin C and essential phospholipids radically improved cellular bioavailability. No more than 20 percent of IV C gets into cells. But the Lypo-Spheric compound permits 90 percent of the C to get into cells.

From here

toastyr

I think liposomal vitamin C is proclaimed to be better for cell absorption and more cost effective too than IV.

I've read the same from various sources, I also make DIY liposomal vitamin C.