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andy1972
OpinionatedB
reply to post by Domo1
As a Muslim you are not supposed to serve it to others, have it at or in your house, or drink it.
The taboo on alcohol is total. No religious Muslim would have anything to do with working in a club, even if they weren't serving it, because they are around others who are, the forbidden gathering if you will, is not allowed.
That said, not all people who are Muslim are religious... its kind of like the christian who calls himself a christian but is anything but, there are Muslims just the same, and through their actions you can tell whether or not they are religious...
So, serving alcohol in a bar of some kind, or even working in one, means he is not religious. Period. This makes him culturally "Muslim" according to western people, but not a person of faith even a little according to the religion.
edit on 23-2-2014 by OpinionatedB because: (no reason given)
I think this guy "Erol" went to the same mosque as Mohammed Atta...and probably the same srtip joints.
OpinionatedB
reply to post by andy1972
lol... probably...
and you cannot call either one of them even mildly religious.
OpinionatedB
reply to post by andy1972
An enemy. They need your attention focused on an enemy, whether real or imagined, to keep your nose out of their affairs. It also helps quite a bit to make you complacent concerning any loss of rights you incur. It was so shocking to see people willingly hand over their rights...
never in my life would I thought I would see that... yet we all witnessed it first hand. Without the enemy, without the fear, it would not have been possible.
But, fear must be occasionally stoked... and its time for a new injection. They are about to ramp things up in order to get their way.... and I think they want to take down syria and Iran... it didn't happen because people were done and weren't buying into it so much any more... next time it will be bigger.
It's about control... there is something in the middle east they want. bad.edit on 23-2-2014 by OpinionatedB because: (no reason given)
OpinionatedB
reply to post by andy1972
I actually don't think it's all either one way or the other. It's not entirely false, nor is it entirely true.
The west has been messing in local middle east affairs since the 1920's at least. This tends to anger the locals... think about it from your perspective. If you had Russia continually walking into your country, killing this person here or there, putting into power a dictator over you whom you did not like etc. you would not be particularly pleased.
The more the west interfered, the angrier some people got. It was never all people, because it never effected all people the same... but some people were getting more and more frustrated over this. Therefore, due to western meddling, friends were lost, and a couple enemies made, over somethings in particular that would be very far off topic.
Therefore, the longer it continued the more you have pissed of people running around. lets face it, no one really enjoys meddlers. So, there is that.
At the same time, there just might not have been quite enough crazies, for the vision the US had.... and that vision, is worth more to some than any of our lives, therefore they had to invent quite a few crazies also.edit on 23-2-2014 by OpinionatedB because: (no reason given)
Bilk22
Well they're tied to it either way if the story is true. But there were boxes remove from that compound. Benghazi was a big deal. The whole Syria thing is much more than what it appears to be.
pheonix358
reply to post by Bilk22
Or the CIA have there dirty hands in this and want a scapegoat when they blow up somebody / something. It is not hard to put something up on the internet. If one goes up it will be impossible to tell who set it off, absolutely impossible.
Or this is just nothing but an attention seeking twit.
P
andy1972
Bilk22
Well they're tied to it either way if the story is true. But there were boxes remove from that compound. Benghazi was a big deal. The whole Syria thing is much more than what it appears to be.
pheonix358
reply to post by Bilk22
Or the CIA have there dirty hands in this and want a scapegoat when they blow up somebody / something. It is not hard to put something up on the internet. If one goes up it will be impossible to tell who set it off, absolutely impossible.
Or this is just nothing but an attention seeking twit.
P
BOXES, not suitcases..
Surface to air missles, delivered from Libiya to Syria via Turkey by CIA Ltd.
The Problem -
Maybe someone found out what was going on, i.e. Chris Stevens, and they had to get rid of the merchandise REAL FAST, as Stevenson was about to blow the whole thing sky high.
The Soluction -
A highly organised group attack, kill Stevens and run off with the goods which only they and the CIA know are there.
The result - Stevens has his mouth buttoned for ever and the goods get delivered ontime.
Everyone's happy - minus Mrs Stevens.
stormbringer1701
andy1972
Bilk22
Well they're tied to it either way if the story is true. But there were boxes remove from that compound. Benghazi was a big deal. The whole Syria thing is much more than what it appears to be.
pheonix358
reply to post by Bilk22
Or the CIA have there dirty hands in this and want a scapegoat when they blow up somebody / something. It is not hard to put something up on the internet. If one goes up it will be impossible to tell who set it off, absolutely impossible.
Or this is just nothing but an attention seeking twit.
P
BOXES, not suitcases..
Surface to air missles, delivered from Libiya to Syria via Turkey by CIA Ltd.
The Problem -
Maybe someone found out what was going on, i.e. Chris Stevens, and they had to get rid of the merchandise REAL FAST, as Stevenson was about to blow the whole thing sky high.
The Soluction -
A highly organised group attack, kill Stevens and run off with the goods which only they and the CIA know are there.
The result - Stevens has his mouth buttoned for ever and the goods get delivered ontime.
Everyone's happy - minus Mrs Stevens.
no. Hanlon's Razor is especially on target when considering inexplicable activity in the political realm:
Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.
Stevens is dead not due to some nefarious conspiracy to kill him. Stephens is dead because the agencies involved have been infested with political appointees and those who are not appointees are promoted by those appointees. abjectly non functionally stupidity to the point of thinking denying requests for more security in order to project a desired image is more important than protecting U.S. personnel even a hand picked ambassador. that's a lethal kind of stupid. and it is throughout the entire government now.