Parents forced to government "education" class, or government punishes children.

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posted on Feb, 22 2014 @ 04:31 PM
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NEW YORK (MYFOXNY) -
New York state Sen. Ruben Diaz Jr. introduced a bill that would require parents of elementary school children to attend a minimum of four parent support classes. If parents don't go, 6th graders won't move onto 7th grade.


Leslie Venokur, the co-founder of Big City Moms, called the idea "crazy" and "insane." She said that what is most concerning that the education commissioner and Board of Regents would develop the parenting guidelines. She said the Regents should "stick to what they're good at which is teaching kids and staying away from the parents."

The bill states one of the courses would be related to physical, emotional, and sexual abuse of children.

Employers would be required to provide one day a year of paid leave so working parents can attend classes.

Some parents and non-parents we spoke with think it is a good idea.

www.myfoxny.com...


Well, ATS? What do you think? Is forcing parents to attend a government-run parent support class a good idea?

Or is it a way to force parents to behave a certain way so that their children can advance?

I think this is a nightmare. Government says do "this", or we punish your children!

But hey, we no longer live in the land of the free any longer. This is nanny-state, police-state, bullying tactics.

As always, read, ignore, reply, buy an angry pack of ferrets and let them loose at a yoga class for lawyers, it's always up to you.





posted on Feb, 22 2014 @ 04:39 PM
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Thats bizarre. What about those kids whos parents dont give a crap ( i wonder its ok word to use here ) about their kids or their schooling and are too much in their own mess.. there are lot of kids who want to achieve more in their life than their parents did.. so they will be stuck on 6th grade because their lousy parents wont attend a courses.

This is socialism.. goverment wants to be your brains so you don´t need to use them



posted on Feb, 22 2014 @ 04:39 PM
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Well, this is dumbest thing I have heard today.


I wonder where these people get the gall to think they have the right to do something like this.



posted on Feb, 22 2014 @ 04:39 PM
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Well yes actually i think this is a good idea in some ways. Not every couple had decent parents and dont know about books they SHOULD be reading about their kids care.

On the other hand, is insulting to other parents that have it totally down not being able to opt out.

Then on the 3rd hand (hehehe) they get a free day off work



posted on Feb, 22 2014 @ 04:41 PM
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This is a freaking terrible idea in my book. If a parent is abusive to their kid or doesn't give a rat's furry butt about them, then the odds are, they're not going to give a hoot about these parenting support classes. Making it a law requiring this and punishing the children by preventing them to move onto middle school is basically creating a scenario for another form of abuse in its entirety--educational abuse. What about kids whose parents are drug addicts, super alcoholics, and more that are pretty much on their own 24/7 for something as pivotal as meals. Sen. Diaz seems like he doesn't really comprehend just how wretched parents can be and this could really have a very negative effect on the social mobility of children from such families. It'd basically be slamming the door on possible escape for them. For the rest of their lives.


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posted on Feb, 22 2014 @ 04:43 PM
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I have a better idea!

How about sending government officials to classes on how to be honest and follow the Constitution!!!!

Why is it always the fault of the "people" and not the fault of the never ending list of laws and the worthless public officials whom create them!

Freedom and liberty my $#@!



posted on Feb, 22 2014 @ 04:43 PM
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This will make things worse as there will be no equality among kids instead this will increase the gap between different social classes.



posted on Feb, 22 2014 @ 04:46 PM
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dollukka
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This will make things worse as there will be no equality among kids instead this will increase the gap between different social classes.


Well said.

This is a very good statement. *applause*

Why would anyone in political leadership want to create division?

Is there another motive behind this?



posted on Feb, 22 2014 @ 04:52 PM
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"Off topic and removed because it is insanely far from the truth and statistics are bs"
Firepiston
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posted on Feb, 22 2014 @ 04:54 PM
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Key word "force"

No, it Isn't right. And allowing it would allow government to further extend their reach into dictating how we choose to raise our kids and live our lives.

But of course It wouldn't be allowed or disallowed, it would be forced.

Ludicrous, Yes.
Would I put it past them to find a way to pass a law on it? Nope. They reach their hands into places they shouldn't be already.

ETA: If anything, the classes should be "offered" to allow parents to become educated. Yes, there are some parents who could benefit from these seminars. There are some real pieces of work out there for parents I think we can agree on that. However, They should never be "forced" and "choosing" to attend the classes or not should be kept a private matter, because of course it would be wrong to subject the parent or child to ridicule.

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posted on Feb, 22 2014 @ 04:56 PM
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Terrible,terrible Idea.

Really do what the 'state' says or else ?

Punish the child because the parents( parent) doesn't show up ?

That is ridiculous.



posted on Feb, 22 2014 @ 04:58 PM
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Whoda # got all da free money n colledge n stuff?
er ummmm............
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Everywhere I look I see assholes social engineering the people......
Every government program has subtle sociological cues that get ingrained and taken for fact.....
Next thing ya know we are all wearing rose coloured glasses whilst real freedom is hauled away and burned with the trash.......
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posted on Feb, 22 2014 @ 05:02 PM
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Well, 3 cheers for indoctrination! Why else would it be so critical and crucial to them?

I think of this and imagine the villain in a bad late night cable movie holding the kid hostage and saying 'do as I say or the kid gets it!". I could note another period or two in history, not so distant at all, where reprisal punishment and collective accountability was thought to be acceptable but as professional educators, I'm afraid they already know those examples well enough. That's really the problem.

They could be requiring attendance to classes on the most delicious chocolate chip cookie recipes known to man ...and it would still be "Do as I say or the kid gets it". Bully boy tactics and it's happening a wee too much here lately. Never should a child in school be punished for what a parent does or doesn't do of their own free will. Never. Ever. IMO.



posted on Feb, 22 2014 @ 05:10 PM
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Reason i could think of is the money, those who are left down won´t achieve much in their lives instead they would be those working hard for those of big money. Cut off the eduacation is one of the most used method in world keep people humble and obey those who has power.



posted on Feb, 22 2014 @ 05:11 PM
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If you only knew who they were talking about and looked at crime statistics, you would jump at a chance to vote yes for this.
Firepiston



posted on Feb, 22 2014 @ 05:17 PM
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Some parents are terrible, and need a kick up the backside of some kind. Terrible parents generally raise terrible kids, most of all are bullies. Im all for this bill



posted on Feb, 22 2014 @ 05:18 PM
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dollukka
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Reason i could think of is the money, those who are left down won´t achieve much in their lives instead they would be those working hard for those of big money. Cut off the eduacation is one of the most used method in world keep people humble and obey those who has power.



Again, well said!

Independence.
Personal responsibility.
Self-reliance.

All are an anathema to a controlling central authority.

My wife and I home-school our child. He is ten and we actually had to slow down his education because we want him to "graduate" at @ 15 and not 13. He's currently at a 6th grade level, but history and civics, he's at a 9th grade level now. It frustrates my wife because he is actually forcing her to re-learn so much just to keep up with him.

He had the benefit of spending most of his school time in DoD schools for the past 3 years that gave him the boost. Putting him in a public school system would be a form of punishment to his growth.

Sorry, waxing rhetoric about my wonderful and beautiful and brilliant son.

Back on topic, this further indoctrinates not only the children in the common-core school system, but forces the parents to adhere to the agenda as well.



posted on Feb, 22 2014 @ 05:19 PM
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Im not saying giving some eduacation to these parents are wrong im just saying punishing kids is.
There must be other ways to provide that information than blackmailing.
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posted on Feb, 22 2014 @ 05:21 PM
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So the both of you like this idea.

Do you think that a government-run program would be of benefit? How?

The government as "final say" in how to raise your own child would remove the individual responsibility of the parent.


But convince me.

Sell me on this idea.

How is it good?



posted on Feb, 22 2014 @ 05:29 PM
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Just another attempt to take over people's rights. This government is an abomination to the people's rights and the Constitution. And NY seems to be one of those at the forefront. So now a child doesn't get to advance a grade based on their performance in school. It depends on the parents for the child to progress. Yes, let's teach our children that it always depends on someone else to progress in life, not themselves. Where is the pride that any child should feel when they do well enough to progress to the next grade? Welcome to the new Amerika.





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