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Interesting theory indeed
"You won't be able to say, 'Here it is!' or 'It's over there!' For the Kingdom of God is already among you."
You could say that there isn't a "god-given" hell anyway.
"There is no God-given Hell that can be worse than the Hell we create for ourselves."
reply to post by Cuervo
It was there, then, in the person of Jesus.
He was not implying that they, at the time, were experiencing the Kingdom of God.
The actual kingdom itself is the church, and we are in it.
20Once, on being asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, Jesus replied, “The coming of the kingdom of God is not something that can be observed, 21nor will people say, ‘Here it is,’ or ‘There it is,’ because the kingdom of God is in your midst.”c
22Then he said to his disciples, “The time is coming when you will long to see one of the days of the Son of Man, but you will not see it. 23People will tell you, ‘There he is!’ or ‘Here he is!’ Do not go running off after them. 24For the Son of Man in his dayd will be like the lightning, which flashes and lights up the sky from one end to the other. 25But first he must suffer many things and be rejected by this generation.
26“Just as it was in the days of Noah, so also will it be in the days of the Son of Man. 27People were eating, drinking, marrying and being given in marriage up to the day Noah entered the ark. Then the flood came and destroyed them all.
28“It was the same in the days of Lot. People were eating and drinking, buying and selling, planting and building. 29But the day Lot left Sodom, fire and sulfur rained down from heaven and destroyed them all.
30“It will be just like this on the day the Son of Man is revealed. 31On that day no one who is on the housetop, with possessions inside, should go down to get them. Likewise, no one in the field should go back for anything. 32Remember Lot’s wife! 33Whoever tries to keep their life will lose it, and whoever loses their life will preserve it. 34I tell you, on that night two people will be in one bed; one will be taken and the other left. 35Two women will be grinding grain together; one will be taken and the other left.” e
37“Where, Lord?” they asked.
He replied, “Where there is a dead body, there the vultures will gather.”
reply to post by Cuervo
To me, it sounds like he's talking about the future.
What does ". . . is in your midst” mean?edit on 22-2-2014 by jmdewey60 because: (no reason given)
But that is not the construct in Luke 17.
"Tomorrow, at BurgerKing, people will say 'Where are my fries? Where are my milkshakes?' but they are in your midst."
You see? It's still future-tense.
2 Peter 1:19
We also have the prophetic message as something completely reliable, and you will do well to pay attention to it, as to a light shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts.
"I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star."
So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets. Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it.
reply to post by GodIsRelative
TextIf the Kingdom of God is already among us, then why should we believe that Hell will wait for us to die to show itself?
The Greek word in this version translated as "habitation" means position, so you don't need to think of them like living in a house and deciding to take up residence elsewhere.
Jude 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
This is reference to the fact that their country was destroyed and taken over by the empires of Assyria and Babylon.
Isaiah 45:7 – “I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things”.