National School Safety Expert: Sandy Hook shooting was a fraud

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posted on Feb, 19 2014 @ 01:27 PM
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posted on Feb, 19 2014 @ 01:29 PM
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Closing pending Staff Review to determine how insulting this is too the actual victims

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posted on Feb, 19 2014 @ 03:07 PM
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This thread is being re-opened now that the thread is in it's proper forum.

Please be mindful of the Terms & Conditions.

Also ATS will not entertain the investigation of private citizens, nor the disrespect towards the victims of this terrible tragedy.

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posted on Feb, 19 2014 @ 03:20 PM
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www.veteranstoday.com...

Free houses for some invovled? Including adams mom? Seems interesting.


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Learning that all three of the Newtown Selectmen, including Patricia Llodra, had received homes for $0 dollars may shed light on the whole bizarre Sandy Hook experience, where in retrospect it looks as though Llordra’s expression of appreciation to the main stream media for their “respectful professionalism” in covering the observance was really an expression of appreciation for covering up what had actually happened.
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posted on Feb, 19 2014 @ 03:26 PM
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Zaphod58
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It wouldn't be hard to do. The teachers come in to clean the room, and "straighten things up". The first thing that has to be cleaned is the blood. It may not even have been something that the school chose to do, but something the teachers decided to do on their own. Or someone else chose to do to help.

It's entirely possible that the school made the choice to do it themselves as well. But saying that it's "unheard of" for a cleanup to happen without a registered company doing it is disingenuous. Whether it was the pizza place I worked at, or somewhere else, it does happen. It's not legal, but when has that stopped someone when they thought they could save a few bucks.

I wasn't involved in the cleanup, but some of the workers there when I was were involved, and I talked to some of the people that were. From what I was told everything was bagged up and tossed in the dumpster out back.
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Why would teachers be expected to clean up the mess of the students they just lost? Good teachers think of their students as family, no way they could withstand that right after the inncident. Is that the best way to consule them? Go make them go clean up the blood of victims they were attached to?

So you are ok with them illegally cleaning up a crime scene? Do they know the procedures of saving the material in case it is needed later? Since when do we do illegal things in the eyes of all federal agencies and get away with it?
Please tell me the name of that pizza joint so I know to avoid it all cost since they are throwing the blood of a person into their trash like it is everyday garbage. Because that is the way to dispense of hazardous material...
Also so I can look up just how many health/food violations were violated having blood cleaned up by some one not certified in a establishment that prepares food...
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posted on Feb, 19 2014 @ 03:26 PM
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Why is this in the Ludicrous Online Lies? The whole point of this forum is to deny ignorance. We can't even discuss a topic that has a lot of interest based on the flags and stars. There are a lot of questions that simply haven't been answered.

I really don't comprehend why as site like this is so afraid of this particular topic.

Anyway, I don't pay to be here so they can do what they want, but I still disagree with the site owners on this one particular issue. There are simply too many problems with the official story.




posted on Feb, 19 2014 @ 03:35 PM
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Metallicus
Why is this in the Ludicrous Online Lies? The whole point of this forum is to deny ignorance. We can't even discuss a topic that has a lot of interest based on the flags and stars. There are a lot of questions that simply haven't been answered.

I really don't comprehend why as site like this is so afraid of this particular topic.

Anyway, I don't pay to be here so they can do what they want, but I still disagree with the site owners on this one particular issue. There are simply too many problems with the official story.



While this was under review I went and snooped around the LOL forum, seems sandy hook has the most additions, with only 1 or 2 really making outlandish claims. Israeli death squads being the most outlandish I saw, which sadly I could not discredit 100% but would need a solid source to give it light.
This event smells worse then 911, they didn't even TRY to revive 1 kid.... That is what hits home to me. These medical responders were standing around with twiddling their thumbs done the street...



posted on Feb, 19 2014 @ 03:39 PM
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SpongeBeard
to say that someone with Aspergers is incapable of carrying out this event is ludicrous.


This same part caught me as well, so I decided to listen to the interview.

He never said that. Actually, Halbig isn't quoted in any of these points; Carl Herman, the article writer, is mixing in his own views with some of the things Halbig said in the interview. Here is Halbig's quote:



Wolfgang Halbig
How does he carry all of that and then shoot 26 people, three to 11 times, in 11 minutes? I'm not that good and I'm a good police officer.


This point was also to cover the fact that "nobody was wounded." This was around 34:00 in the video. He obviously isn't an expert on the subject of autism, but he never claims the actions to be "impossible" as Herman suggests.

I'm sure there are more, but I caught two other misquotes in those bullet points:



Carl Herman
no bio-hazard company was contacted to clean blood, bodily fluids. This is impossible.


Halbig actually just explained that no one would give him the name of a company that was called to do the cleanup.
25:00


Carl Herman
porta potties were on site; again with no comment by officials and consistent with holding a staged event.


Halbig alludes to the fact that porta potties were delivered to the scene within three hours, which is normally an oversite.
27:50


It seems that the biggest arguments on this topic are based off of things Halbig never said. I completely agree that the author of the article certainly has an agenda, but I didn't hear anything unreasonable in Halbig's interview.

This is really what I want an explanation for:
www.youtube.com...
(only need to watch the first 20 seconds)
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posted on Feb, 19 2014 @ 04:03 PM
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SubTruth
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Dear readers and members ask yourself what are the odds not a single parent would have filled a lawsuit or wanted to view there kid. This alone is enough to really make you think.


that is not exactly true.

there is at least one lawsuit filed for a survivor, but was with drawn because of backlash in the from of harassment.

but to answer the question about lawsuits, the way the article reads the state is immune from most lawsuits, and to sue you must be granted permission by the state to file.

and other than lanza father, who doesn't have anything to speak of from what i gatherd, there is no one left to sue.



The state enjoys "sovereign immunity" against most lawsuits unless permission to sue is granted.

Attorney Withdrawing Request To Sue State In Sandy Hook Shootings

there was at least one parent that viewed their child. i won't post a quote or say anything other than what his mother tells what she saw. here is the link
The open coffin funeral of Sandy Hook victim Noah Pozner
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posted on Feb, 19 2014 @ 04:06 PM
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I didn't say that they were expected to do it. It may be that they simply started doing it on their own.



posted on Feb, 19 2014 @ 04:15 PM
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This amazing feat was by a kid that put in hard work and probably practiced every day at his craft. Adam's situation would not be the same. outside of some alleged shooting ranges, which would have video and records of participation by either his mom or him. He did not have experience of urban combat.




As Mike Powers, a professional military investigator and ballistics expert, has observed, this young man of slight build could not have carried all these heavy, bulky weapons and ammunition on his person. Furthermore, since first responders were supposedly inside the school within seven minutes, there was not enough time for Lanza to have carried out the shooting as reported. In an interview with Joyce Riley, Powers states that Lanza could not have fired so many times continuously without destabilizing himself from the intense noise from the Bushmaster. As a novice, he could not have shot an AR-15 with such speed and accuracy, supposedly changing magazines 8-10 times without a stoppage.

According to Lt. Vance on the night of the shooting, one victim survived. So in less than seven minutes—or less than five minutes according to the media—Lanza killed 26 people and then himself, producing only one injured victim. This is a 96% kill ratio, which is unheard-of accuracy among the most experienced marksmen. Powers thinks the whole scenario is a physical impossibility. He is not even convinced that Adam Lanza was a real person.

memoryholeblog.com...

Where would he be able to hone his skills like that?



posted on Feb, 19 2014 @ 04:20 PM
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amazing
If a fraud, sure there are multiple unanswered questions, but where's the payoff. What's the end game? What was the desired outcome?

With 9/11 we have 2 wars and an increased military industrial complex. Much money was made. Maybe trillions. With Sandy Hook, there is no end game? Tougher gun law legislation was not passed and that appears to be a weak endgame anyway. It wouldn't have been a gun ban just tougher background checks. That's not a bad thing anyway. So I don't see it.


You don't remember? I've never seen such an amazing push against guns. ALL ATS was posting about it on and on and on... You must remember Syria. They pushed hard on that one, but couldn't get the support. The Media in Britian were talking about it. Just because an agenda isn't catching it doesn't mean there isn't one.

They claimed that an AR-15 was used in all of the bullet wounds.(press conference with "medical guy") Then it comes out that 4 handguns (only those)were found inside the school and then you see the police unloading the supposed shooters weapon out of the back of a car that was never used that day. They still claimed it was an AR, but when they cleaned the chamber on video, the weapon had no rear charging handle. It unloaded like an AK-47 type weapon would or maybe an automatic shotgun.

The only reason they stuck with that script is that they don't like that particular weapon. I would wager a guess that it's the same reason the Army uses them. The rounds tend to rip up your insides because they arent so big, and powerful. Tend to tumble rather than go right through.

The Batman Shooting was the first try. Didn't work.. I listened to that one live and it is also some sort of staged thing. I mean people died in that one, but the suspect in custody had nothing to do with it. The original suspect they had was calling for Navy personel to be contacted... He was pinned down INSIDE. A second suspect was chased and caught up with around the jewelry store. The first guy that was pinned down was described in the same way by the cops and later by witnesses of the shooting. Batman shooter was later claimed to be found outside. Standing there. Along with 2 gas masks...

The shooting at the Seikh (spelling?) temple. 4 man team claimed by witnesses. Changed to one guy..

So I mean to say this is the push. They are pushing in Ukraine, Syria, Iran.. America is the one weird one because we aren't to prone to socialistic ideas like many Europeans are. A globalist state would have to be some form or socialistic capitallism. Maybe even Fascism.



My girlfriend is a teacher. In her opinion some of the photos are of a drill where no one is in danger.. In the Kids minds it could easily feel real, especially with cops around, but the teachers would know. Most of the people there wouldn't have to know anything.. I worked for the DHS spying on things at an Airport and I didn't know until thinking about it recently. I can't talk about that yet for some years...

The people who do know wouldn't be on a payroll, they would be the regular people working regular jobs they would have found out upon arival or later, that something didn't add up. If they questioned anything someone would contact them something like "26 dead people" (whatever the supposed number) "what's one more?"

The Dad LAUGHING and smiling that day with reporters before they go to interview in which he breathes really heavy and slumps to get into character holding energy in his throat... Gawd that deserves to be in a forum called LOL, not this thread...

The guy claiming Kids were at his house that no one else seemed to notice is obviously lying. Work in a school and it will make sense to you. Kids can not even be released to a non primary care giver without prior approval. This prevents kid nappings from divorced parents.

The Principal of the school or someone claiming to be was interviewed after being shot to death. She was explaining standing in the school and seeing bullet holes everywhere. (bullet holes not in the classroom, the walls were riddled) Then when the official time line comes out that she was found dead, and was dead before cop arrival the story is pulled with no apology or correction. That story was up for at least 3 days. I used google to find it after being tipped off to it's prior existence. I assume this person is in Witness protection.

No body remembers all the dots haha, but I am sure you guys all remember that the cops tried to chase down something like 4 guys/girls in a van dressed as nuns leading away from the school right?

It's hard to tell which parts could have been faked and which were not. Some people could have been shot in the beginning as a team got in to extract the one classroom. I don't think the kids saw any shooting though. They may have seen some dead bodies in the hall. The kids will all remember this day as beign real. The emergency team will think it's real based on the bodies in the hall.

The End Game is a Governing body that reaches across the world. In this society violence would be illegal except for the power structure. It will be run by the Rule of Law, not by the rules of the Jungle as they say. Weapons in the hands of Americans perfectly spread out over thousands of miles is one heck of an angry hornets nest no matter what technology you have to kill them with. A few countries not in the fold? Venezuela, Cuba, Iran, Syria, Lybia, Former Iraq, Afghanistan, Russia, China, North Korea. The American government has a good number of people on point, but some aren't and American values aren't either. Seems all their old Propaganda about Americans being super Awesome and Super Free has finally backfired.


I'm 30 years old and all my life in schools and on the news I was taught that guns were bad. Cops told me what like every year. They would ask us if our parents had guns. I thought they were only used to murder people. Columbine shocked us all very bad. Made me know that guns were evil and so were violent video games. Games that often train shooting tactics.

The Scary thing is that the Psychological warfare switch was pressed too many times and Now many Americans are numb to it. Shock and Awe can't happen at the same scale. So do they UP the scale, or do they just come at us and risk a civil war?





I Could be wrong about anything being faked at all. I really could be. Even if everything happened almost exactly like they say, there could have been and seem to have been more shooters. Don't forget the four nuns
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posted on Feb, 19 2014 @ 04:32 PM
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Oh ok, so the teachers went into the FBI controlled crime scene and started cleaning up the blood of the victims. How long after the event do you suppose they were in their respected rooms straightening up?

At least say a school janitor was the one that did it if you are ok just brushing this clean up aspect off to the school doing it.



posted on Feb, 19 2014 @ 04:35 PM
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Crime scenes can and have been released with the blood still pooled on the floor. The teachers wouldn't have been back in there while it was still FBI controlled. At some point the school was turned back over to the faculty.



posted on Feb, 19 2014 @ 04:35 PM
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Sremmos80
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Oh ok, so the teachers went into the FBI controlled crime scene and started cleaning up the blood of the victims. How long after the event do you suppose they were in their respected rooms straightening up?

At least say a school janitor was the one that did it if you are ok just brushing this clean up aspect off to the school doing it.


I was unaware anybody went back into that school? Classes were resumed in January at a different location. I was pretty dang sure it was never re opened before being demolished.
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I also want to say to disregard my post about no one dying. Upon further thought I don't wish to promote that or say it. I don't believe that happened anymore. So for me the only cover was the motive, and the suspects.
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posted on Feb, 19 2014 @ 04:43 PM
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And that release will be determined ahead of time, the school would have plenty of time to get a service to be either waiting on scene for the release or there within a timely manner. If the scene was released with blood that would be priority 1, they would probably not let the teachers back in the building till all the blood was cleaned, why expose them to unnecessary risk? And again what did the school have available to DISPOSE of the blood after is was cleaned? Who picked up the trash containing all the blood that was cleaned up?
Also how long do you suppose it takes to clean all the blood of 26 victims? Blood tracked everywhere due to LEO and the investigation teams, it would be everywhere. The school would either need a all hands on deck cleaning day or some help. Which one was it?


And just because your POS owner of a pizza joint decided that blood just hanging out in a dumpster is ok does not mean that is the norm and OK.
Blood is no joke in the eyes of health officials, I am sure you know this
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posted on Feb, 19 2014 @ 04:51 PM
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posted on Feb, 19 2014 @ 04:55 PM
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It wasn't intended as an insult towards you or your thread at all. What I was trying to say is that ATS admins have turned kind of authoritarian and have a tendency to shut Sandy Hook threads down left right and center.



posted on Feb, 19 2014 @ 04:56 PM
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ArtemisE your statements don't add up too... I don't see your angle... with such a low star, WATS, and Karma score... You are rated a shill...



posted on Feb, 19 2014 @ 04:57 PM
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A judge recently ordered info pertaining to Sandyhook be released, and if I remember right the 911 tapes were part of that release.
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Those records were HEAVILY redacted. I have reviewed what was there....reviewed all the photos....and I still can't find any actual evidence that any crime occured. There was simply nothing there. Look at it for yourself.

It is also important to mention that a law was passed in Con. that sealed the records from the coroner for the victims....adults and children alike. Doesn't that seem odd to you? Normally these records would be available to the public...but what's normal anymore?





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