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National School Safety Expert: Sandy Hook shooting was a fraud

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posted on Feb, 24 2014 @ 11:50 AM
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one thing that will cook your noodle people do a search of land deals in that area propertys selling for $0 then resold for $4-500.000 ? fellowship of the minds website does a good piece on it
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Wanna know something else that will cook your noodle? 3 of the parents of the Sandy Hook victims have won the state lottery....TWICE. Look it up. Can you imagine what the statistical probability of that happening would be? Sure makes you wonder....




posted on Feb, 24 2014 @ 12:44 PM
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Huh that is really strange, some winnings are before the event but still very strange. How much money are these people spending on lotto tickets when they live in such a well to do town..?
I think a couple of them have the 0 dollar house anomaly as well..



posted on Feb, 24 2014 @ 01:05 PM
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Huh that is really strange, some winnings are before the event but still very strange. How much money are these people spending on lotto tickets when they live in such a well to do town..?
I think a couple of them have the 0 dollar house anomaly as well..
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It is beyond strange...I looked it up. The chances of winning the lottery twice are 5 TRILLION:1. Not impossible....but it might as well be.

That this would happen to 3 families in one small town is beyond astronomical....for them to be connected to the Sandy Hook shootings....well...the odds are so remote as to defy credibility. I have no idea if this has anything to do with the whole mystery, but it is definitely extremely interesting.

As for the dollar value of the houses being 0....there is a high probability that this is nothing but a glitch.



posted on Feb, 24 2014 @ 01:08 PM
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nevermind, not even worth indulging this nonsense.
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posted on Feb, 24 2014 @ 01:12 PM
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captaintyinknots
nevermind, not even worth indulging this nonsense.
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If you do decide to come back since you did go out of your way to say something, take a crack at some of the points this "fraud" brought up.
If it is so cut and dry shouldn't be a problem



posted on Feb, 24 2014 @ 01:51 PM
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deadcalm



one thing that will cook your noodle people do a search of land deals in that area propertys selling for $0 then resold for $4-500.000 ? fellowship of the minds website does a good piece on it
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Wanna know something else that will cook your noodle? 3 of the parents of the Sandy Hook victims have won the state lottery....TWICE. Look it up. Can you imagine what the statistical probability of that happening would be? Sure makes you wonder....

you learn something new and suprising everyday good find bud the plot thickens



posted on Feb, 24 2014 @ 01:53 PM
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Ah, I see.
Isn't it great to see those people who, while devoid of an ability to debate valid points, proceed directly to ridicule?

As if the people who see through this demented charade are:
... "indulging in a sick fantasy"?
... "harassing the victims of Newtown"?
... "possessed of a twisted need to prove some conspiracy"?
—> or my personal favorite:
... "pissing on the graves of little kids"? (srsly)

So that's what we're doing, eh?
Rather than say, using eyes, ears, and rudimentary logic to deduce that when the Connecticut State and local officials, The Governor of CT, FBI, DoJ, Chief Medical Examiner, Chief of Police, and every single person involved are trying so hard to keep things hidden, going out of the way to obfuscate, redact, (and even demonstrably lie)
…it's probably because there's something to hide.

It's not rocket science. And if you had an inkling of the sums of money involved...boy this sure don't look good.

****Mark my words because I can see it now:
this will be the Watergate of the 21st century.
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posted on Feb, 24 2014 @ 01:53 PM
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Sremmos80

captaintyinknots
nevermind, not even worth indulging this nonsense.
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If you do decide to come back since you did go out of your way to say something, take a crack at some of the points this "fraud" brought up.
If it is so cut and dry shouldn't be a problem
no point. Yall want so badly to find something here that you ignore the facts.

I have family in sandy hook. They had neighbors die. Theu are STILL grieving.

But yeah...its a "fraud" and "scripted".

Some People are just sick.



posted on Feb, 24 2014 @ 01:55 PM
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I've debated this ad nauseum. You people refuse the facts. Theres no point.

You all have a twisted need to prove some conspiracy here, and will cling to anything that you can, while ignoring facts.



posted on Feb, 24 2014 @ 01:59 PM
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I understand. And I'm sorry for your family's loss.

If you don't mind me asking ... but what exactly prompts you to come into a thread like this then?

~E.C.



posted on Feb, 24 2014 @ 02:01 PM
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3mperorConstantinE
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I understand. And I'm sorry for your family's loss.

If you don't mind me asking ... but what exactly prompts you to come into a thread like this then?

~E.C.
simple. I've watched first hand what the factless claims of fraud and scripts have done to these people who are still grieving. Its sick.

But a small number of people think there is some notoriety to be gained by making these claims, so it persists, and its downright disgusting.



posted on Feb, 24 2014 @ 02:01 PM
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captaintyinknots
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I've debated this ad nauseum. You people refuse the facts. Theres no point.

You all have a twisted need to prove some conspiracy here, and will cling to anything that you can, while ignoring facts.



Well this is a conspiracy website so sorry we look for conspiracy...I can never wrap my head around that one.

Any chance you can let us in on the facts that we are ignoring? I missed them in your previous post.
They must have been there if we are now ignoring them



posted on Feb, 24 2014 @ 02:03 PM
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captaintyinknots
I have family in sandy hook. They had neighbors die. Theu are STILL grieving.

My sister in law and brother in law were teachers one town over from Sandy Hook.
They both know some of the teachers from there.
The tragedy happened. It's not a hoax. To say it's a hoax is beyond absurd.

Some People are just sick.

.... and/or stupid. Agreed.



posted on Feb, 24 2014 @ 02:10 PM
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I miss the eyeroll emoticon.

Fact:I have family in sandy hook

Fact: their neighbors kid was murdered in the event.




Fact: adam lanzas mother was at her house a couple of weeks prior to the event.

Make up what you want. The facts are there.
Loking for a conspiracy is one thing. Making one up, ignoring the facts, and passing it as truth is quite another.

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posted on Feb, 24 2014 @ 02:12 PM
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I am sorry for either your brother, sister, or wife's family's loss.
Would you mind sharing which teachers these were/are and when did they work at Sandy Hook Elementary?

Unless I am missing something, the answer to this should not reveal any personally-identifiable-information about your in-laws, which naturally I understand would be a concern.

~E.C.



posted on Feb, 24 2014 @ 02:19 PM
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captaintyinknots
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I miss the eyeroll emoticon.

Fact:I have family in sandy hook

Fact: their neighbors kid was murdered in the event.




Fact: adam lanzas mother was at her house a couple of weeks prior to the event.

Make up what you want. The facts are there.
Loking for a conspiracy is one thing. Making one up, ignoring the facts, and passing it as truth is quite another.

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No If I wanted you to think I was rolling my eyes I would let you know
With all due respect I can't take those as facts. I could type the same things in this box.
Just like anything I say against the OS you would want me to source out my info, especially if involved directed relation to the shooters family.

So would you like to present facts involved with something we both have access too?

Also nancy existing is not in question so I am not sure what the fact does to prove the event happened..
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posted on Feb, 24 2014 @ 02:25 PM
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1) I was rolling my eyes at you.

2) exactly. You refuse facts. Its easier for you to believe an entire town was in on it than to accept that some of us have ties to the town. Which was my point to begin with.

3)we all have access to travelling to sandy hook .Do it. Go there and see for yourself. Talk to some people who lost children, who knew nancy, who knew the victims. Its readily available for you. but you won't. Because it would ruin your fantasy.

Again, this is why I removed my first comment. You people don't deal in reality. You fetishize the idea of finding a conspiracy.

Its delusional.



posted on Feb, 24 2014 @ 02:41 PM
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captaintyinknots
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1) I was rolling my eyes at you.

2) exactly. You refuse facts. Its easier for you to believe an entire town was in on it than to accept that some of us have ties to the town. Which was my point to begin with.

3)we all have access to travelling to sandy hook .Do it. Go there and see for yourself. Talk to some people who lost children, who knew nancy, who knew the victims. Its readily available for you. but you won't. Because it would ruin your fantasy.

Again, this is why I removed my first comment. You people don't deal in reality. You fetishize the idea of finding a conspiracy.

Its delusional.


I am not refusing facts, I am refusing to believe you I don't know you, why should I take what you type on an anonymous forum for fact? Nothing to do with sandy hook at all

You don't know that I think the entire town is in on it why are you continuing to assume what I think?

And your right if I could go to the town I would, that is not in the cards for me right now so all I can do is go off official reports from SHPD. And I am sorry but there is aspects in the account of the events that just don't make sense. They can't even get what guns he used right. Would the families be able to tell me that information? Would they be able to tell me why there is no video of him entering at all? Would they be able to tell me why he was driving a car that was registered to someone else then nancy?
Will they be able to tell me about the men running away from one of the worst school shootings right as first responders got there?
Can they tell me why more medial actions were not taken to save what could have been their alive child?
That is the one I can not get off of. Why are these parents not outraged that they had all ambulances 1/4 mile away? Why are they not mad that not one child was flown to the hospital 12 miles away by helicopter?



posted on Feb, 24 2014 @ 02:44 PM
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My personal opinion is that I don't trust Halbig.
His attitude and demeanor seem less than professional in regards to his requests for information.
He doesn't seem to have read the final report or he wouldn't have bothered to ask many of the questions he did.
Maybe he's authentic and has the best of intentions, I can't know for sure.
What I do know is I'm not waiting for others to tell me what happened.
I'm still reviewing all the publicly available material possible and looking for patterns that might suggest a motive and the true nature of the event which led me to show the interviews in the bottom of my post.

I'm pretty convinced children and teachers were killed.
I'm also convinced certain interests wanted to stretch this event for the most possible political mileage.
It seems the DNA evidence is being completely overlooked by the media despite it standing in stark contrast to the official story.
We were told over and over from the first day "this is a very complex case" by ever major network as well as the CSP.
How does that sit with lone lunatic shoots mother at home, drives to school, shoots 3 people in hallway then shoots more in 2 classrooms?
How complicated is that? Enough to require a year to produce a final report?
No, that would have been fairly routine requiring much less time.
What's critical here is how the story changed over the day of the shooting, who did what, who was killed where and what weapons were used.
This is directly tied to who was in control of the crime scene and who was acting as public information officer.
All the major story changes happened over the first 3 days, after that all "inside" sources were silenced and CSP Vance became the sole source.

While many (myself included) found the interviews with the victims parents lacking in emotional depth I encourage you to watch these 2 interviews of the Newtown Police recorded before Christmas of 2102, less than 2 weeks after the event. You can see real emotion in these men from their words, inflections and pauses and their facial expressions and body language fairly scream they not only witnessed a tragedy but were somehow restrained from helping to stop it. These interviews were heavily edited yet what remains is quite telling IMO.

Interview with Newtown officers McGowan, Kulgren and Seabrook



Interview with Newtown officers Penna, Bahamonde, Vanghele, Dec 24, 2012


These guys will all suffer PTSD for years to come and have my full sympathies as well as anyone that lost family that day.



posted on Feb, 24 2014 @ 02:53 PM
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1) no, you are refusing the FACT (which has been vetted) that I have family there. You are refusing the FACT that families lost kids and loved ones that day.

2)why do you think these topics end up in the LOL section? Because these FACTS have been vetted by the site admins.

3)if you think its a fraud, the only explanation is that everyone was in on it. What's better is that you'd have us believe that this was some fraud....to serve what purpose exactly?

4)so you refuse to verify the facts by talking to the people, but you also refuse to take them as fact because you havent heard it from these people? Thats some circular logic there.

5)so your biggest sticking point is that the reaponders followed active shooter protocol by parking far enough away that the responders couldn't be made targets of? In the end, this is the problem. Uninformed people thinking that something isn't right, even though it follows exact protocol.

But I digress. Like I said to begin with, this is pointless. You fetishists are not interested in fact or truth.

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