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National School Safety Expert: Sandy Hook shooting was a fraud

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posted on Feb, 22 2014 @ 07:54 PM
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Ya that video seems to be a sticking point for a lot of people.
It is very weird to me too, I get that we deal with loss differently but it is just that fact that he does such an obvious switch, he is all smiles then it's go time and 2 real deep breaths later he is having a hard time speaking.
And minimal tears right? Again every one grieves differently but it gets a little more universal when we start talking young children, well that is the way I see it




posted on Feb, 22 2014 @ 07:58 PM
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sadsad
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There is no thread drift I have a recording from secret service intelligence directly to do with the shootings rather than your theory. Also can point to a posting that has everything to do with DC shooting and if someone calls me I'll let them record the recording and start there own thread the duress I was subject to is an attempt to make a shooter and it's real I refuse but our FBI and Ss refuse to arrest the people doing it which points directly to the President


If you started with this type of message you might have gotten somewhere, and as pointed out you want to get paid for the info.
Tricks are for kids


edit on ndSat, 22 Feb 2014 19:58:54 -0600America/Chicago220145480 by Sremmos80 because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 22 2014 @ 07:59 PM
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If anyone else wants the recording PM me I'll send you my number and you can record it yourself as for moron..well his self admitting and freak out of others hearing the recording... Money to trace international post and get a lawyer to get them..ya its not free. I wouldn't get the money but it would cost to get a court to order the release of the posts other than the one to do with DC shooting but my name is on that one so that I'll refrain.



posted on Feb, 22 2014 @ 08:02 PM
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Exactly. It is not the smoking gun because there are a million explanations, including yours and that the dad could just be a horrible person who wasn't really upset (as tough as that is to comprehend). The other video that made me go "WTF" is the one of the people at the firehouse and everyone is scurrying around and one guy/teen/kid (age unverifiable) walking in the EXACT same pattern over and over until a woman comes out from outside the frame, stops him, talks to him, and escorts him out of the frame. Maybe that video feed is not from the day of the shooting or something ... but if the video is legit, then what the heck???

Please, can a disbeliever give me some closure and explain these?
edit on 22-2-2014 by ExNihiloRed because: Typos



posted on Feb, 22 2014 @ 08:04 PM
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And anyways why should i care if someone wants to shoot the rest of you. I didn't ask for money it would be expensive to get some of the proof I'll let you have the recording for free



posted on Feb, 22 2014 @ 08:05 PM
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I don't want to have your number. Transcribe it in a post, and we can try and piece together what you are trying to actually say. Transcribe means write out what is being said (not sure English is your first language).



posted on Feb, 22 2014 @ 08:10 PM
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More then just 1 person
www.youtube.com...

They had a conga line going, I think that kid in the yellow gets tossed in there at some point, a lot of the better video's i remember are off the tube now, it followed like 2 sets of people all the way through the circle like 5 times

sorry not embedded, not able to right now



posted on Feb, 22 2014 @ 08:13 PM
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PS sorry for misunderstanding or drift I just really have a recording and if you all want shootings ignore me..ps..I don't own a gun.and there will be more shooting till you have no guns..or tell my story. I really don't care cause after all my family wqa killed by these people.. SW USA Navy seals San Diego base.



posted on Feb, 22 2014 @ 08:16 PM
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Geez. Watching that stuff really freaks me out. If SH was in fact staged, it would completely turn everything I've ever known about anything on its head.



posted on Feb, 22 2014 @ 08:28 PM
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Sremmos80
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He did handle those emails you linked wrong, seems this issue may be getting to him, understandable with the past that he has.
I am with you on the FOIA, if it is just emails that he is using then he won't get the answers and he should not be raising hell about it.
But why can they not just answer his emails with a "this is not the way to request FOIA so we can not process your request" Or some generaic response. They should also provide the proper ways to do the request if the party is going about it wrong, that is what makes me think that he has formal and properly requested the FOIA
IMO it could be those emails either coincided with the formal request or were reminders of his pending ones.


I completely agree.

A couple thoughts that I had after reading your post:
- The reason I'm not convinced he filed formal FOIA requests via proper procedure is that none of the emails reference such a request; there isn't even a reference point for the recipient to use to attempt to locate a formal request (not even something as vague as date filed or the name of the office a request was sent to.

- While I agree that it would have been helpful to tell Halbig how to properly file an FOIA request, if he simply wrote "How to file an FOIA request Connecticut" in any search engine he would have found: www.ct.gov...

Someone with his purported credentials and expertise should understand that it is critically important to do things the right way (he's a former State Trooper, following procedure should be second nature to him) and equally important to communicate professionally; the fact that he seems to have not done the first and definitely didn't do the latter is concerning.

I was excited when he emerged but what has been revealed from this one article raises red flags; that combined with his ask for money in his first interview makes me wonder what his true end game might be.



posted on Feb, 22 2014 @ 08:38 PM
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ExNihiloRed
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Geez. Watching that stuff really freaks me out. If SH was in fact staged, it would completely turn everything I've ever known about anything on its head.


I agree.

The reason I question the idea that it was staged, in spite of the evidence that suggests it was, is simple: Occam's razor tells us it's easier to commit the murders than to fake it and cover it up. A scheduled drill going live would be more likely because it dramatically reduces the amount of people who would be exposed to the reality.



posted on Feb, 22 2014 @ 08:45 PM
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I almost feel like I need to make more assumptions to believe the official story than some of the conspiracies. In that sense, Occam's razor pushes me more towards staged or something else. Something is just not right, but I have no idea exactly what. Bothers me, though, when I think about it.



posted on Feb, 22 2014 @ 08:47 PM
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NickDC202

Sremmos80
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He did handle those emails you linked wrong, seems this issue may be getting to him, understandable with the past that he has.
I am with you on the FOIA, if it is just emails that he is using then he won't get the answers and he should not be raising hell about it.
But why can they not just answer his emails with a "this is not the way to request FOIA so we can not process your request" Or some generaic response. They should also provide the proper ways to do the request if the party is going about it wrong, that is what makes me think that he has formal and properly requested the FOIA
IMO it could be those emails either coincided with the formal request or were reminders of his pending ones.

I was excited when he emerged but what has been revealed from this one article raises red flags; that combined with his ask for money in his first interview makes me wonder what his true end game might be.


I'll agree if we go by the emails in that link he is being over dramatic about the FOIA as he could be very well doing it wrong.
The state should still tell him how to do it but I am sure there is some circumstance as to why they won't with Sandy Hook

Still hold some reservations that he does have formal request pending because as you said there is really no reason for him to be doing this key part wrong, completely see your hesitation for sharing them. Should be encouraged actually IMO



posted on Feb, 22 2014 @ 08:47 PM
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ExNihiloRed
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I almost feel like I need to make more assumptions to believe the official story than some of the conspiracies. In that sense, Occam's razor pushes me more towards staged or something else. Something is just not right, but I have no idea exactly what. Bothers me, though, when I think about it.


I think we're both on the same page; I completely agree with your comments.



posted on Feb, 22 2014 @ 08:49 PM
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NickDC202

ExNihiloRed
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Geez. Watching that stuff really freaks me out. If SH was in fact staged, it would completely turn everything I've ever known about anything on its head.


I agree.

The reason I question the idea that it was staged, in spite of the evidence that suggests it was, is simple: Occam's razor tells us it's easier to commit the murders than to fake it and cover it up. A scheduled drill going live would be more likely because it dramatically reduces the amount of people who would be exposed to the reality.


Drill gone live is where I am at as well, no way to say 100% that no one left us that day
Just like there was planes that hit the towers
And no way LHO could make that shot



posted on Feb, 22 2014 @ 09:01 PM
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Thank you for posting this I had just finished listening to the entire interview and was going to post it myself.

The article does misquote a few things which are cleared up by listening to the audio.

I'm confused why someone said this is still an open case? I believe the case was closed and the final report issued 11/2013 so there should be no issue with questioning the findings.

I do think the issue on the biohazard cleanup is valid. As stated in the interview... The scene would have contained massive amounts of blood and other body fluids... That is not something that would have been left for anyone but professionals to deal with. I highly doubt it would have been left for the demolition crew either as that would have but them in danger as well.

I really hope this guy does get to the bottom of this. There's no reason why simple questions can't be answered. If you want to make it about the kids then I say this... How about we not let those kids deaths be taken in vain? How about we honor them by learning from this incident and educating others on how to keep the rest of our kids safe? If there's something that we could learn from this and it was kept hidden bc some people thought it rude to ask questions, then those are the people who are dis honoring the death of these children.

Not that I actually believe any children died. I honestly don't know what to believe other than things did not happen the way they should have that day if what we've been told is correct.


You have got to be kidding me. This right here is what I am talking about. So now no children even died? That's what you're saying? All of the grieving parents are fakes, all of their families are lying, the entire town is pretty much in out. Yeah, that makes perfect sense. And clearly the insurance companies who paid out claims on the dead children are in on it too. Right, that makes complete sense.


If you read what I said carefully... I said I didn't know if anyone died or not. I wasn't there and have not seen any concrete proof that anyone actually died. Maybe they did. I don't know. I'm trying to keep an open mind. If someone can provide the simple answers to the simple questions laid out in the OP then this wouldn't even be an issue. But it is.

So you can act as incredulous as you want...

And I'll keep an open mind and keep looking for answers...



posted on Feb, 22 2014 @ 09:24 PM
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The reason why the whole "drill gone live" idea doesn't hold water (to me, personally), I can distill down to two reasons:

  1. I think people are underestimating exactly how difficult it would be to find someone who would agree to shoot twenty 1st graders.
    Oh -and they'd have to be reliable in addition to being willing to murder children. That's actually a hard combination to locate.

    Now, there are no shortage of incarcerated killers in the joint, but I think you'll find that even these people tend to have their limits.
    Sadly, the type of human I could see realistically doing something like this would be someone so whacked-out from WAR that they just don't give a # about anything. But you see, then the problem is that they have military experience, and thus I'd imagine that they would be severely skeptical of any offer to shoot-up a classroom in suburban Connecticut and not end up becoming a "loose-end" themselves.

    So, essentially it boils down to the difficulty in finding someone with the exact balance of being insane enough to shoot two dozen kids, reliable enough to stick to the program and show up at the right time, while at the same time being naïve enough to believe that they will be allowed to live.

  2. Since the media, by its very nature is overwhelmingly powerful at shaping the hearts, minds, and discourse of a nation's people, and the media is utilized very deliberately by politicians for this reason ... Then it shouldn't surprise anyone that at some point someone in CIA's Special Activities Division (SAD) would hit upon the idea of creating the news from scratch rather than waiting for random s%#$ to happen and then trying to distort/spin it.

    The entire classified program is probably still in BETA testing, because I think in this case the acting was

    Don't worry it'll get better




posted on Feb, 22 2014 @ 09:40 PM
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Www.wittelsbuerger. com kleinenZeigen was a post 3days before that america was raising a generation of kids to kill there children. They've changed the sight now so posts can't be done like that.. But the proof is there..also a post 3days before the death of seal team 6..not to drift the thread but I'm giving you real Intel.



posted on Feb, 22 2014 @ 09:44 PM
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and wasn't there a CIA guy arrested at the scene then it disappeared from the news?



posted on Feb, 22 2014 @ 09:44 PM
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and wasn't there a CIA guy arrested at the scene then it disappeared from the news?



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