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Pennsylvania 'Craigslist killer' says she slayed dozens more across U.S. as part of satanic cult:

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posted on Feb, 18 2014 @ 07:23 AM
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I admit I don't want it to be true, who in their right mind would?
I agree that if investigators turn up solid leads it will be interesting.

I just see a dozen plus reasons why it feels so fabricated.
I even tuned into the news yesterday to check out the MSM perspective and they were all extremely skeptical as well, which was a major relief because that means we do have a lot of experts who question everything all over this case.

I personally am interested because of it's historical significance, if any of it's true that is.

Also keep in mind, the reporter who brought this info to us originally is hard to trust as well, for plenty of reasons.
She said she "Stopped counting at 22", and something like "It was under a hundred".
So the number of claimed murders is 22 to 100 anywhere in between.

It's absolutely insane to consider. Sick stuff.
I need to get this outta my head now because I am not able to help investigate properly,
so there's no real point in letting it pollute my mind today.
I will respond to anyone though.




posted on Feb, 18 2014 @ 08:07 AM
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I am having a hard time believing it myself,
But I haven't been keeping up on the story.



posted on Feb, 18 2014 @ 08:16 AM
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I highly doubt she's racked up that high of a body count and the claims of a Satanic cult are just laughable. That said, she could be using this as a ploy to get out of a death sentence. Especially if she has killed one or two other people. Give the police the location of the bodies for the legit murders and then tell them that if they want the location of the others they need to guarantee life without parole.



posted on Feb, 18 2014 @ 08:48 AM
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She would have to be killing people at a ridiculous rate to have racked up so many in so little time, especially since she was pregnant at some point in the 6 year time frame. She claims its more than 22 but less than 100... I take that to mean its well above 22. I don't see how its possible.

I did read that her child's father is dead and they are now opening an investigation into his death. Seems pretty coincidental he would be dead, though I did not get any info on the manner of his departure. Something to keep an eye on though. This plot may thicken yet.
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posted on Feb, 18 2014 @ 08:53 AM
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This post right here has a pretty unique history on the town she grew up in.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Ironically I have family in Fairbanks and the culture up there does give way to people disappearing and no one looking too hard. It's not uncommon for someone to be attacked by wildlife, or fall into a ravine and disappear permanently.

www.newsminer.com... html

Also the mental health of people up there isn't all that great. When the winter hits and there's only 1 hour of sunlight in December, depression and other mental illnesses run rampant. I turned down a great job offer in Fairbanks a couple of years ago because I don't think I could mentally handle the winters.
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posted on Feb, 18 2014 @ 09:01 AM
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Tindalos2013
22 kills i think not. Unless bodily evidence can be proved, like where the bodies have been buried other wise she just lying.



I agree. They were caught quite easily, and they dumped the body in an alley. After that many kills it should be easy to find a good place to hide a body.



posted on Feb, 18 2014 @ 09:07 AM
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I imagine she would be charged separately on each murder if what she says is true, which would most defintely stretch her court proceedings out.



posted on Feb, 18 2014 @ 09:43 AM
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MK Ultra in full effect.



posted on Feb, 18 2014 @ 09:45 AM
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According to a "friend of a friend" of "someone" close to the case, it's BS, likely designed to setup a predicate for an insanity defense - I'm not saying I believe this, just passing it along - and if there's only been the one interview, this is probably just a gut reaction, not based on any certain knowledge; it doesn't sound like there are any details to actually investigate yet.

Should be fairly easy to evaluate those claims - names, dates, locations - but I'm pretty certain her defense attorney has put a lid on further interviews, with anyone.

I tend to discount it somewhat - I mean, she's shown she's capable of a cold-blooded thrill-kill - luring someone she'd never met before for the explicit intent of killing them - that's pretty sick in the head and heart already. So is it possible? Yeah.

But she and her husband were just so *bad* at it - took them no time at all to catch them. Most people this dumb don't have a chance to become serial killers, because they get caught immediately.

So, right now, I put it at 80% chance it's BS, a fantasy or deliberate attention-seeking, insanity defense groundwork, etc. Which still leaves the sickening possibility that some, or all of it is true ...



posted on Feb, 18 2014 @ 11:41 AM
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Claiming to be a part of a Satanic cult from such an early age will cause some to see her as a victim instead of a cold blooded killer. They can then pursue an insanity plea or at least get the prosecution to charger with a lesser crime.



posted on Feb, 18 2014 @ 11:45 AM
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Sparky63
Claiming to be a part of a Satanic cult from such an early age will cause some to see her as a victim instead of a cold blooded killer. They can then pursue an insanity plea or at least get the prosecution to charger with a lesser crime.

i think that is part of it.

I still very much doubt her claims of 22-100 other murders, but more investigation will elucidate that more.

BTW, what in the name of lead jebus is up with your insane amount of stars???



posted on Feb, 18 2014 @ 11:50 AM
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Creepy story. I was just listening to the news and they say the killer claims that if given a map she will lead them to every victim's body.

What are they waiting for?



posted on Feb, 18 2014 @ 11:55 AM
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I admit I don't want it to be true, who in their right mind would?
I agree that if investigators turn up solid leads it will be interesting.


I agree completely and no sane person wants to imagine there really are heartless predators in more than a figurative way. I think what really got me to thinking, perhaps before or perhaps because of that long long wall of floor to ceiling missing person posters I mentioned having stumbled across, was a movie. Suspect Zero is a fictional tale of a Remote Viewer compelled to track the killers and true base criminals his 'gift' (not to ruin plots) allows him to see it with.

Suspect Zero, in terms of the movie, is a prolific serial killer of the epic variety with what I recall the movie implying were 100's of kills to his credit. (The real no-kidding version of that is The Iceman) What made it more than a passing interest for a movie though was how travelling for a living played into the whole plot to have made years and years of killing across vast distances something that could actually slip away, unnoticed. FBI's VICAP system notwithstanding.

So what if....for the scary version....the Ted Bundys and Richard Ramirez types are just the dumb ones, however smart Bundy was in literal terms? What if more are like a couple truckers who have, in real life, turned out to be prolific serial killers (one with prostitutes across the southern Midwest and one more focused in California for recent examples) The last one was only caught because he willingly strolled into a law enforcement office with a body part in his pocket, in a sandwich baggie....to ask they help him stop.

Now if this one lied? They'll know soon enough. She made claims tall enough and specific enough to confirm or debunk within a week, I'd think.



posted on Feb, 18 2014 @ 11:55 AM
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Looks like the DA is skeptical of her claims as well:

"SUNBURY – The Northumberland County district attorney says he is skeptical of the claims by Miranda K. Barbour that she has been involved in at least 22 other murders.

District Attorney Anthony J. Rosini Sunday said local authorities have had no information from any other law enforcement agency that would support the statements the 19-year-old accused Craigslist-related murderer made in a jailhouse interview with a reporter from The Daily Item in Sunbury."


Northumberland DA Skeptical of Accused Craigslist Killer's Claims



posted on Feb, 18 2014 @ 11:59 AM
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This story is so "natural born killers"

chilling for sure.



posted on Feb, 18 2014 @ 12:09 PM
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Certainly a terrifying thought. The hardest part about catching a serial killer is the lack of motive, there's nothing that ties the killer to the victim as most are chosen at random. The gratification experienced has less to do with the specificity of the victim and more to do with the act itself and whatever fantasy is associated with it, a fantasy known only to the killer. When you take a victim like a prostitute or transient who not many will miss if they disappear and combine that with a vicious predator who has perfected a system of killing and disposing of bodies its a recipe for unsolved or even undetected crimes.

Its certainly a real possibility, maybe even likely that there could be a class of superior serial killers out there. As you mentioned, look HOW MANY people go missing and are never found, not a trace. Those are just the ones the rest of society has been made aware of. How many streetwalkers inhabiting the dregs of the seediest back alleys go missing without anyone saying "boo?" Who is gonna report a transient that disappears when he or she doesn't have a home, friends or family? The depth of possibility is disturbing to say the least.

I do tend to put "The Iceman" in a separate class as he was a Mafia hitman. He did kill multiple scores of people, but many if not most were involved with organized crime. We know how willing those types are to involve law enforcement. He also had the resources of one of the most sophisticated criminal syndicates in history available for things like body disposal. In addition, he killed for profit as opposed to sexual compulsion which places him in a different category in my opinion. By definition, a serial killer no doubt. Much different than the Gacys or Bundys or Geins of the world though.

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posted on Feb, 18 2014 @ 12:22 PM
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ausername
Creepy story. I was just listening to the news and they say the killer claims that if given a map she will lead them to every victim's body.



And this makes me ask...
"how could she possibly lead them to every body if she stopped counting and lost track of how many people she killed?"



posted on Feb, 18 2014 @ 12:29 PM
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Maybe many are in the same place?

Never know, maybe there are no more to be found, but they should at least try.



posted on Feb, 18 2014 @ 12:37 PM
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I do tend to put "The Iceman" in a separate class as he was a Mafia hitman. He did kill multiple scores of people, but many if not most were involved with organized crime. We know how willing those types are to involve law enforcement. He also had the resources of one of the most sophisticated criminal syndicates in history available for things like body disposal.


I disagree on this. I'd read the book and it went into a great level of detail (perhaps TMI, to be honest) about what he did and how he did it. True, his motives were radically different, although he said himself that money really wasn't it. It was a job..and that's where I see the similarity. He's a known serial killer with good reason to believe he broke triple digits...and I do say serial killer, because he was so totally cold but downright evil about doing it. That's what they all share, I think. The lack of humanity that would allow them to kill, then go have a steak dinner and think nothing of moving from one activity to the other.

The Iceman wasn't sophisticated in his methods and that is what made him the scariest. Apparently, a good % of his victims fed some very large and vicious rats in a cave somewhere out in the New Jersey woods. He'd set up a camera for each to video tape before walking away (with them very much alive and resisting) and coming back a couple days later to find nothing but the dark cave opening, his camera and the shackles. Literally, nothing else. Another, he stabbed a guy badly enough to leave him unable to escape and tossed him into the water in Florida at the right time of year. Nature's eating machines did the rest, I guess...

That...enthusiasm, is what defines a predator, I think. Something all together different from a Hubby walking into a cheating wife or even a robbery gone bad.



posted on Feb, 18 2014 @ 12:58 PM
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I think we're more in agreement than not. He absolutely was a serial killer by definition, I'm not disputing that or anything else you mentioned as I've also read the book. Certainly a sick and disgusting man.

I am making a distinction between him and the type of killer that kills due to sexual compulsion, which was the motive for Gary Ridgway, Dennis Rader, Jeffrey Dahmer, John Wayne Gacy, Ed Gein, Ted Bundy, etc. etc. etc.

Not disagreeing that The Iceman was a sicko who enjoyed killing people, but there was no sexual element to his killings as occurs with a proponderance of serial murderers.



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