Is there an agenda regarding homosexuality?

reply to post by AfterInfinity


It isn't "weaponization", but rather "a means to an end".

And it may not be TPTB causing anything. Only encouraging propensity.

How many gay folks live on the farms as a percentage?

grandmakdw
reply to post by flammadraco

 

Oh, no there are many many heterosexual men who have early homosexual experiences. This is quite common. Boys experiment with each other regularly, not that it always leads most to bisexuality, but the possibility is there. Also, take a look at the quite common in England, all boys schools. There is a great deal of homosexual acts occurring by heterosexual males. Being a pubertal male alone causes intense sexual feelings and if one has no access to females, other males with similar "raging hormones" are available.

This is just kids playing "Doctors and Nurses" and I agree with you that their is a lot of homosexual activity in all boy boarding schools, just as there is in Prisons.

reply to post by Biigs

I could enjoy slicing up small bits of vegetables and balancing them on myself while listening to looped tracks of abba and guess what thats my own business.

Um, when did you install the cameras and why cant I see them?


Oh and tomatoes are a fruit not a vegetable

it is considered a vegetable for culinary purposes (as well as under U.S. customs regulations, see Nix v. Hedden), which has caused some confusion. The fruit is rich in lycopene, which may have beneficial health effects.

quoted from Wiki

reply to post by AfterInfinity


I do not have "proof" to give you. I am just aware of it. Below is how I arrived at my conclusion:

Since I was a child it has been hounded into me that the population explosion was going to starve humanity. I saw the Chinese implement a self destructive form of benevolence through one child policy. The result is a largely male population which will greatly accelerate depopulation, but has also caused much rebellion, and fermented a distrust and dislike of the government.

I lived in Europe for 6 years in the 90's and first heard of the depopulation "problem" leading to populations that are so skewed with the aging that instability is bound to occur.

Then I read a tiny article about I believe it was Iran who was having a depopulation problem. I was shocked because popular wisdom was that the Muslims are going to overtake the world with their population explosion. So I began to dig into birth/death rates out of curiosity.
What I found was that in "modern" Islamic countries (like Iran, if you want to call them modern) female infanticide, sex selective abortion, and fathers who love their daughters not forcing them to marry, and then the current building of an all female city, many of these countries are at and creeping toward below replacement rate levels.

So then I started looking at strictly replacement rates/ death rates by country. What I found was (again just because I was curious, a fault of mine) depopulation is a real thing. It is estimated world wide depopulation will begin about 2020 if current trends continue. (You see countries with high birth rates now also have very high death rates)

Then I noticed a 180 on "official policies" regarding homosexuality. Yes humanitarian to be certain, yes needed for sure.

Following that I began to see the glamorization of homosexuality in the media.

Next I read about why Putin is putting the "clamps" on homosexuality. If you read enough about it you will find it has to do with his concern over Russia's overly rapid depopulation which is coming much sooner and with much more vigor than expected, leaving only a tiny portion of the population healthy enough to support the vast majority of the population.

I began to put 2 and 2 together.

TPTB are not "weaponizing" homosexuality, I don't know why people think I'm hostile to homosexuality when I am absolutely not. TPTB are USING the LBGT movement for their own purposes that have nothing to do with gay rights.

The glamorization of homosexuality is so in your face and so prevalent that I began to wonder. Putin is using the demonization of it to try and increase Russia's population. Why have TPTB become so aggressive in the promotion of homosexuality to the point where people who disagree with it are demonized, called horrid names, degraded and shamed for simply holding an opinion (I believe if one holds an opinion and does not force it on others or harm others with it, one should be left alone; just as homosexuals and bisexuals should be left alone).

Then I met a man starting a corporation that I think may become as big as microsoft. Making software that can intuitively make things using 3D printers. He said that this technology will unfortunately put a great deal of manufacturing out of business. It will be in Best Buy within a few years and is already affordable by most people's standards, under $2K.

I have been aware of the explosion of robotics replacing humans for quite some time. I even have 2 household robots of my own.

Then came the article about 70% of all jobs disappearing within a short period of time. Most probably true based on 3D printing advances, they are now printing experimentally, not just plastic trinkets, but metal, food and even human body parts.

What to do with the coming nearly 80% unemployment? when added to current unemployment rates

Well the logical next step is to get rid of 70-80% of the population. Current depopulation trends will not be fast enough, and will leave an unsustainable huge elderly population that will need supporting by a tiny portion of healthy individuals. (see what is happening in Japan)

How to accelerate depopulation? Encourage homosexuality and even glamorize it is one small way to do it humanely.

TPTB have seen with the experiment in China that forced depopulation backfires and creates large numbers of unattached males can be a threat to society in such great numbers (a historical conclusion).

That is why one is seeing more and more in the popular media about the "joys" of childlessness.

Have you seen the recent articles on how in the near future longevity rates will be decreasing world wide? Hmmmmm
The rise of refusal of all but palliative (pain management and kind treatment but no medical) care for anyone who is "old" that is written in nearly all socialist one payer systems, and in the Affordable Care Act. The encouragement of euthanasia for children who want it in Europe? I think these are other methods of "humane" depopulation efforts by TPTB. Depopulation through government controlled health care is a tangent. Depopulation of the elderly is also a tangent here, sorry. But I needed to throw it in for balance.

Is the encouragement of depopulation necessary? Maybe. But should it be done through manipulation and deception? I don't think so.

Should the LGBT movement be aware of this possible manipulation of their agenda for other than respect for the LGBT community? I do think so.

grandmakdw
reply to post by flammadraco

 

Just because I am saying things you don't agree with, doesn't mean I am demonizing you or homosexuality. I am demonizing the way that TPTB are using homosexuality in a purposeful way to try and depopulate. Perhaps demonizing isn't correct, more like awareness. It may not be a bad thing to depopulate if most human jobs are going away. I am just aware of the manipulation that is going on.

Who is Manipulating? Who are the TPTB that are using the gay agenda to depopulate the earth. Ask any Heterosexual member on ATS would they sleep with the same sex, and then ask all Homosexual members if they would sleep with the opposite sex. The answer would be a BIG fat NO! Seems a bit silly that TPTB would waste their time trying to make everyone gay as its impossible.

As for acceptance: come on, nearly every new TV show has a gay character shown in not only positive terms, but practically glowing terms; most non PG movies are the same way now; every "famous, glamorous person" who "come out" is described in glowing terms and praised in the media, including sports stars. If you can't see the glamorization of homosexuality in the media, you are blinding yourself to it. The food network and HGTV have mostly gay hosts, straight hosts are becoming nearly rare on those channels.

So what! Years ago there was no mention of gay people on TV, however TV companies have joined us in the second millennium and have to portray what real life is like. The same could be said of African American people on TV. The first Network television appearance and chat show was Nat King Cole in 1956, that's only 58 years ago. It was 1986 when the first Black woman hosted her TV show "Opera Winfry Show" which is only 28 years ago. I'm sure that during this time had ATS been around we would have had threads such as "Is their an agenda with African Americans" etc.

In sixty years from now, these threads (if cached) will be used in social history lessons to show the resentment to a particular ethnic minority group. As far as I am concerned, the LGBT of today are going through what the African Americans did during the Civil rights movement.

This glamorization can be quite appealing to the mass of young males who like the mass of young females have absolutely no hope of meeting the heterosexual "ideals" of the role models they see in the media. They see hope for themselves finding love elsewhere.

I would find it hard to believe that any young Heterosexual male would feel that being gay was "Glamorous". Lets for arguments sake state that only 5% of the population is gay, this has been the same throughout history and will remain at 5% in the future. Using your argument, why did I not become Heterosexual as all the TV when I grew up was Alpha Males on TV (apart from the Carry On Movies). Surely there should have been no gay people prior to the "Glamorization of the Gays" on TV as all TV did before this was "Glamorous Hetros"

I am also not denying you are an alpha male and that alpha male homosexuals exist. But you are not the type of homosexual portrayed and glamorized in the media.

And as a gay man it annoys me the way gay people are portrayed on TV, they all seem to be as "Camp as Christmas" and far from the reality of the Gay Community I know. I don't particularly like "Camp Gay Men" as I believe it gives other gay men a bad name as these sorts of gay people are obviously gay. A lot of this is a show btw, I have seen men who come out of the closet, that all of a sudden have a "lisp" that they never had before. Its as if they feel the need to "act gay" to fit into the stereotypical gayness like TV portrays. This is far from what real life is like.

Can you see in any way where the LBGT movement has been piggybacked by TPTB who are using it for their own agenda?

Yes, its called "Divide and Conquer" and whilst we are debating issues like these, far more important issues are being ignored..

reply to post by Fylgje

I don't hate homosexuals, but I don't agree with them either.

Agree with them or their sexual preference?


If a gay person was to say child abuse is wrong you would disagree because they are gay the person saying child abuse is wrong or simply disagree with their sexual preference?

reply to post by flammadraco


I see depopulation through deception and manipulation as an extremely important world wide issue.

I see that your emotions are so strong on this issue, and I understand why, that you are having trouble seeing my stance as separate from any judgement on the homosexual/bisexual lifestyle or persons.

It just happens that my curiosity has led me in directions that have coalesced into an insight, that I feel has great validity.

This opinion is definitely not anti-homosexual or bisexual, but your feelings on the matter are so strong I do not think any amount of discussion will enable you to see this.

I am just very frustrated with the deception and manipulation that are being used to depopulate the world.

reply to post by flammadraco


As to your assertion that in the past homosexual men could not have bisexual feelings because of epigenetics is incorrect. Or maybe you are inferring that I think this, anyway it is not correct.

There were huge numbers of men living heterosexual lifestyles, and having sex with women and reproducing, who were "born" gay.

Yes, it can go both ways. Just because you find the idea of sex with a woman repulsive, does not mean that when homosexuals were demonized and the heterosexual lifestyle was "the only" acceptable lifestyle that homosexuals did not become bisexual through environment is unrealistic.

Again, this is NOT a put down or denigration of homosexuality or bisexuality, I am looking at it from a scientific perspective.

reply to post by bigfatfurrytexan


BFFT, you can't be saying that you agree with the idea that some "powerful mysterious people" are trying to turn everyone gay?!? Gee, I wonder if during the 60's and 70's (Remember the TV series "Roots"?) when we saw an explosion of TV shows and movies that were sympathetic to blacks, if it was just TPTB trying to turn us all into blacks...

The media is typically very liberal. They jump on to the progressive bandwagon all the time. There is no TPTB trying to turn us all gay so we won't populate. Jeesh. As a matter of fact, I see more and more that gays are trying to be mainstream, i.e., getting married, moving to the suburbs, and having families. I was just looking at a website the other day, of a company that specializes in providing donor eggs and surrogates for gay male couples. So, even gays are having more kids than ever before. If anything, that is the effect the media is having -- helping gays become more mainstream so they don't have to hide away in a closet.

All the media is trying to do is take the "boogie man" out of homosexuality. They are trying to show how gays are just people too - and deserve to be treated with equality and respect. That's it. No big conspiracy to make us all gay. As if they could do that even if they wanted to.

kaylaluv
reply to post by bigfatfurrytexan

 

BFFT, you can't be saying that you agree with the idea that some "powerful mysterious people" are trying to turn everyone gay?!? Gee, I wonder if during the 60's and 70's (Remember the TV series "Roots"?) when we saw an explosion of TV shows and movies that were sympathetic to blacks, if it was just TPTB trying to turn us all into blacks...

No. Because you can't be "turned gay". You can express homosexual behaviors, but the ability to express them already exists within you. Grandma here thinks that the percentage is extremely small, like 1-5%. I think it is more like 10% are truly homosexual, another 10% are truly heterosexual, with the remaining 80% being varying shades of bisexual. Sometimes the bisexuality is expressed, sometimes repressed.

What "TPTB" are doing is working to create a culture where it is acceptable. At least, that is what Grandma is saying. She isn't saying they are making you gay, only that they are making being gay a more socially acceptable option for that middle 80% that can be happy having it either way.

Comparing sexuality to the black plight of the 60's is not going to work. Not everyone has varying degrees of black. Its a completely different concept, race and sexuality.

What I agree with Grandma on is the epigentics and how social stress can manipulate genetics in real time.

The media is typically very liberal. They jump on to the progressive bandwagon all the time. There is no TPTB trying to turn us all gay so we won't populate. Jeesh. As a matter of fact, I see more and more that gays are trying to be mainstream, i.e., getting married, moving to the suburbs, and having families. I was just looking at a website the other day, of a company that specializes in providing donor eggs and surrogates for gay male couples. So, even gays are having more kids than ever before. If anything, that is the effect the media is having -- helping gays become more mainstream so they don't have to hide away in a closet.

All the media is trying to do is take the "boogie man" out of homosexuality. They are trying to show how gays are just people too - and deserve to be treated with equality and respect. That's it. No big conspiracy to make us all gay. As if they could do that even if they wanted to.

No one wants "everyone to be gay". But it would be hard to argue that we need less humans on the planet.

reply to post by kaylaluv


No, the media is not trying to turn "everyone" gay. They are just trying to make it a very attractive alternative, especially for males who don't fit the modern stereotype of what a heterosexual male should be. Also for females who are older (over 30) and seen by society as no longer sexually attractive to males or who have had bad experiences with males who treat women like they do in their video games or in the R rated movies they see. (see all my other posts please)

Yes, a few gays are having children, however, the vast majority tend to adopt rather than procreate. But still the very very tiny number who do reproduce are so rare that it does not affect the twisting of the LBGT movement into a depopulation effort.

reply to post by grandmakdw


I'm not showing any emotion. I am trying to assertion your logic. The reasons why I am asking you these questions and for you to clarify, is that you mentioned you were a Psychology Professor and thus I would assume you would have a "reasoned opinion based on fact". Not many Professors of Psychology on ATS.

Please do not take my questioning as being defensive. As you are technically a Scientist, I was asking you for evidence that TPTB have an agenda to make the whole world gay as you mentioned in your posts. If your work was being reviewed by your peers, you would have to show evidence to back up your claim.

You have not answered my question, how can TPTB reduce the Worlds Population by Glamorising Gays? Its not possible.

As to your assertion that in the past homosexual men could not have bisexual feelings because of epigenetics is incorrect. Or maybe you are inferring that I think this, anyway it is not correct.

Not sure what you are on about, never said anything of the sort in my response to you, perhaps you have replied to the wrong person.

There were huge numbers of men living heterosexual lifestyles, and having sex with women and reproducing, who were "born" gay.

Not gay but Bisexual. That would be like saying a heterosexual having a homosexual lifestyle, being born "Straight". It absurd.

Again, this is NOT a put down or denigration of homosexuality or bisexuality, I am looking at it from a scientific perspective.

So scientifically, how does mass media turn a straight man gay? You are a Professor of Psychology so you should have a better understanding about this subject than most, but for you to say that TPTB are using mass media as a tool to reduce the worlds population and turn straights gay, is a tad crazy for someone of your position.

Its not even a hypothesis, you are stating it as fact but with little or no evidence.

reply to post by flammadraco


I believe that another poster addressed how epigenetics (the environment) (which definitely includes mass media) makes changes in sexual orientation, the person even posted some studies.

I also laid out in an earlier post how I arrived at my hypothesis. It is not tested, it is not peer reviewed, but simply an observation and personal hypothesis. Hypothesis are simply educated guesses, and this is what I have put forth. See my earlier post please. No hypothesis is fact, ever, it may become a theory which has studies and some validity behind it, however a hypothesis alone is never fact and very rarely do theories become fact.

I am now simply Grandma. In the past most of my "hunches" or hypothesis based on observation (which is how all hypothesis begin) have turned out to be true. I have a strong feeling that this is one of those. However, it is way too politically incorrect of an opinion for anyone to even peer review right now if research were done. The research would be squelched (yes that is done regularly - see the research on real brain differences between males and females, that was squelched for well over 20 years). Also, it is horribly politically incorrect to even mention that the health care issue is being used as a depopulation tool. Only when now becomes history will we know.

Awareness, like the LBGT movement is trying to do, is what I am trying to do. Awareness of propaganda and using what is good (live and let live as long as no one is harmed in the process) for ???? possibly nefarious, or possibly for not nefarious but deceptive purposes.

grandmakdw
reply to post by kaylaluv

 

No, the media is not trying to turn "everyone" gay. They are just trying to make it a very attractive alternative, especially for males who don't fit the modern stereotype of what a heterosexual male should be. (see all my other posts please)

Yes, a few gays are having children, however, the vast majority tend to adopt rather than procreate. But still the very very tiny number who do reproduce are so rare that it does not affect the twisting of the LBGT movement into a depopulation effort.

When they made being black "cool" right before and after the civil rights era with movies/books and tv shows, were they trying to make being black a very attractive alternative for some reason? Or... were they possibly just trying to get people to be more tolerant and less prejudiced against blacks?

Gays are like anyone else - most of them would prefer to have their own children. Here's an article that makes a lot of gay couples hopeful they can someday have children that are completely their own, biologically. So, the trend is going towards gays procreating MORE, not LESS.

www.advocate.com...

bigfatfurrytexan

What "TPTB" are doing is working to create a culture where it is acceptable. At least, that is what Grandma is saying. She isn't saying they are making you gay, only that they are making being gay a more socially acceptable option for that middle 80% that can be happy having it either way.

Comparing sexuality to the black plight of the 60's is not going to work. Not everyone has varying degrees of black. Its a completely different concept, race and sexuality.

I am comparing black promotional media with gay promotional media to show that they are doing it for the same reason. To encourage tolerance and acceptance - so that we can all live together in peace and harmony - and that's the ONLY reason.

kaylaluv

bigfatfurrytexan

What "TPTB" are doing is working to create a culture where it is acceptable. At least, that is what Grandma is saying. She isn't saying they are making you gay, only that they are making being gay a more socially acceptable option for that middle 80% that can be happy having it either way.

Comparing sexuality to the black plight of the 60's is not going to work. Not everyone has varying degrees of black. Its a completely different concept, race and sexuality.

I am comparing black promotional media with gay promotional media to show that they are doing it for the same reason. To encourage tolerance and acceptance - so that we can all live together in peace and harmony - and that's the ONLY reason.

That is a very trusting assessment. While it may seem logical, actions such as the CIA selling crack into urban neighborhoods kind of makes that look like an illogical assumption.

Regardless, there are many people at play. Social engineering is a common role of government. I don't see why it would be so hard to believe that the government (who had enormous influence on media) wouldn't encourage homosexuality as a way to reduce population expansion.

Then again...they speak out of both sides of their mouths. If homosexuality was actually being encouraged, the whole gay marriage thing would have been put to rest by now.

So who knows. Other than, I am certain that your viewpoint on this specific issue is not correct.

reply to post by kaylaluv


Kaylaluv,
Please go back and read my other posts. All your questions are answered within them and with posts other have made.

Sorry guys, I've got to run, Grandma duties call. I've sat way too long at the computer. Great discussion though.

Reminder:
A hypothesis, which is what I am putting forth, is nothing more than a educated guess, it is never fact and once it becomes fact is no longer a hypothesis.

Everyone needs to be alert to how the media and TPTB (powerful people who unite in common causes), manipulate the masses through entertainment of all forms.

Just be aware when one sees a proliferation of the same theme within all mass media, there is always more going on than meets the eye.

We are fools to believe otherwise. Sounds crazy? That's part of what psychology is about, how and why minds are manipulated.

Homosexuality IS "born" into a small number of people. Homosexuality can be "turned on (perhaps a bad use of words)" through environment (mass media is a gigantic part of our current environment).

My belief since many are trying to get at the root of it: no one should give a rats a.. what other people do in the privacy of their bedrooms that hurts no one else. Also, no one should throw what they do in the bedroom in anyone else's face, that is a private personal matter that is no one else's business and flaunting it is rude and in poor taste. Finally, I feel that everyone has a right to love whom they choose, have whomever they choose as an heir, or as a partner (sexual or otherwise) in life, or as a partner in financial and health matters, or in all matters pertaining to one's person as one wishes, as long as no one else is hurt in the process.

Manipulation and deception hurt everyone, and my observation is it is real and happening and distorting and twisting the good intentions of the LBGT community.

reply to post by grandmakdw


One last note:

In my view, the promotion of homosexuality through the mass media, is one small part of the depopulation effort, not the entire effort, just a small part.

The larger effort includes: government run health care to reduce the elderly population (oh, a very politically incorrect assertion - see my previous posts); free abortion on demand (no judgement here just observation); making childlessness a popular thing to do (see tons of recent popular magazine and popular web site articles); free birth control (again just an observation); when I lived in Europe 5 years ago smoking was not discouraged which I felt was a small depopulation effort on their part, just as not discouraging excessive alcohol consumption was a small factor; euthanasia as a "humanitarian" movement world wide; turning a blind eye to third world female infanticide and sex selective abortion; the feminist movement who encouraged (and encourages) women to live without men that they don't need them; the feminization of males through estrogen rich diets; making children economic liabilities; I could go on and on ......

Through China's example powerful people have learned that government run forced depopulation backfires on a grand social scale.

Through Japan's example, making children a burden, economically to males, and socially and career wise for women, backfires and leads to a population whose average age is rapidly closing in on retirement age.

Why are people afraid to see that what begins as good, can and will be twisted by powerful people to meet the goals, THEY set for society rather than what people agree to do voluntarily once educated to the need?

reply to post by bigfatfurrytexan

Grandma here thinks that the percentage is extremely small, like 1-5%. I think it is more like 10% are truly homosexual, another 10% are truly heterosexual, with the remaining 80% being varying shades of bisexual. Sometimes the bisexuality is expressed, sometimes repressed.

I completely agree with you on this. I believe that there are more bisexuals than homo and heterosexual combined.

Homophobes fall into the larger category.

reply to post by flammadraco


homophobes are typically, in my opinion, part of the bisexual segment (the middle 80%). They don't properly deal with their own sexuality, repress it, feel a bit of ego because of their "stength", and then project that out into their worldview.

I repress any urges to cheat on my wife. And because of this, for right or wrong, i feel moral superiority to men who cannot do this. I consciously push myself to stifle the feeding of the ego...but subconsciously it is almost impossible.

I think bisexuals that repress the homosexual behaviors feel the same. Some to the point of actually fearing the homosexual act (which threatens the ego), creating homophobia.