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Buddhism in the Bible.

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posted on Feb, 20 2014 @ 04:06 PM
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My belief is because of multi faith academic research, including the Vatican Libraries and documents since hidden from public view.

I'm afraid that you're going to need to qualify that statement if you expect any credibility. What documents? How did you have access to them? Why did the Vatican hide them from public view? And what evidence do you have to support any of it? It seems a little far-fetched to say that, within the last fifty years, or whatever, the Vatican publicly put forth documents refuting their own religion, and then redacted them, and no one but you saw them. But I'm willing to hear the story.

You know the drill… "exceptional claims require exceptional evidence."




posted on Feb, 20 2014 @ 04:24 PM
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Firstly, I do not need to validate my research to you or anyone. I do not care whether you believe me, the facts are there.

Secondly do not make presumptions about things I said based on things I didn't say.

About 10 years ago there was a lot more now classified Vatican documents available online from the first noted documents on Roman Christianity, Peter, Council of Nicea etc that aren't freely available now. At the time I was studying religion and spent many hours reading these documents.

Are you denying all the facts that make the bible, 'Jesus' and Christianity questionable?

Are you denying the fact that 'Jesus' has vast similarity to Apollo for example?

Are you denying the fact that there are vast discrepancies between newly found ancient 'bible' texts and the current version?

Are you denying that 'the Christos' was a term used by the mystery religions before the alleged birth of 'Jesus'?

There are so many questions that make the bible questionable in it's authenticity.

I do not need to validate my questioning of the questionable.

Perhaps you should be attempting to provide the proof you tried demanding of me as to your blind belief in biblical text despite historical inaccuracies and known intervention throughout it's inception.

Besides this thread is about BUDDHISM in the bible, I have provided examples of this. Perhaps you should keep on topic instead of berating those that do not share your faith of biblical authenticity.



posted on Feb, 20 2014 @ 04:56 PM
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Firstly, I do not need to validate my research to you or anyone. I do not care whether you believe me, the facts are there.

Without evidence, you don't have facts, you have conjecture. That's why assertive statements are generally questioned when there is no evidence.


About 10 years ago there was a lot more now classified Vatican documents available online from the first noted documents on Roman Christianity, Peter, Council of Nicea etc that aren't freely available now.

Where? And what were the documents? If you have specific titles, I can probably find them -- once something is on the Internet, it's pretty much going to stick around forever. There's archive.org, if nothing else.

I've given out this link before, but here, for example, are the Writings which document the Council of Nicaea.


Are you denying the fact that 'Jesus' has vast similarity to Apollo for example?

I don't know, I've not seen anyone claim that. But if it's anything like other Christ Mythicists, who claim that vague and mundane similarities to earlier figures, combined with absolute fabrications (like "Horus was crucified",) indicate that Jesus was not an historical figure, then yes, I'd probably say that is a stretch.


Are you denying the fact that there are vast discrepancies between newly found ancient 'bible' texts and the current version?

Again, you need to provide specifics. What "ancient 'bible' texts" are you talking about? And what "vast discrepancies"?


Are you denying that 'the Christos' was a term used by the mystery religions before the alleged birth of 'Jesus'?

The word "Christos" is Greek for "Anointed One", and was the translation of the Hebrew word that means the same thing, Messiah. Since lots of people (including the Emperors) were anointed, it's not remarkable that the word was used to describe other people.



posted on Feb, 20 2014 @ 05:18 PM
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I do not need to provide facts of bible discrepancies, nor to prove anything to you or anyone.

Like I said the historical facts are there, if you want to search for them then do.

I have written about this topic on RELEVANT threads many times and provided links, if you want to go search all my old posts you might find the link to the Vatican documents but their site was redone a few years ago and the place where I got the transcripts from isn't there nor are the documents in other places on their site, this is true for many of the documents that were available there. In their place now are glossover texts written recently about generalisations of being a Catholic.

If you want to search for transcripts from the councils of Nicea and Trent, you can, but it was the real deal from the Vatican, it wasn't from another site's interpretation.

Because I have covered this topic many times and this isn't the right thread, I won't be spending time giving evidence of bible discrepancies. If you want to know my opinion and previous extensive links I have provided then I suggest you search ATS for the relevent posts.



posted on Feb, 20 2014 @ 05:53 PM
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If you want to search for transcripts from the councils of Nicea and Trent, you can, but it was the real deal from the Vatican, it wasn't from another site's interpretation.

You apparently didn't bother looking at the site that I linked to. It wasn't "another site's interpretation", it is the original texts of the Council of Nicaea. I keep the link handy to share with gullible prats who think that Nicaea established Biblical Canon and that Dan Brown is an historian.

Given that you have several thousand posts, I am disinclined to search through your posting history in an effort to prove your claims for you. The evidence indicates that the New Testament is the best source of information about the life and teachings of Jesus, and apart from some vague generalities that pretty much any moral teacher would profess, there is little overlap between Christ and Buddha, so we can safely say that Buddhism is not represented in the Bible, apart from those general moral certainties.



posted on Feb, 20 2014 @ 06:30 PM
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Obviously you are confused.

The link you sent does not contain the transcripts of the council of Nicea from the Vatican archives that I read, simple! Those are just letters etc. So perhaps you shouldn't stop being presumptious.

Additionally, you asked for 'proof' so you can go find it if you want.

Furthermore there isn't any evidence of your claims of the bible's authenticity nor any evidence against the fact that the oldest found bibles disagree those considered 'word of God' by devout followers. That in itself is a discrepancy.

If your choice is blind belief then that is your choice.

My choice is to question the questionable and seek the truth.



posted on Feb, 20 2014 @ 07:34 PM
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Furthermore there isn't any evidence of your claims of the bible's authenticity

Again, I would suggest that you read Richard Bauckham, a respected historian, not someone who makes wild claims and then fails to produce any evidence to back it up. If you are not an historian, you might not understand some of the methodology, but he does a very good job of explaining his findings.

You seem to be labouring under the belief that I am a fundamentalist, who believes that the Bible is the inerrant word of God. I am not, all I've said regarding the text's veracity is that there is good historical evidence that the Gospels were written by eyewitnesses, making them the most reliable source of information about Jesus and his teachings.


nor any evidence against the fact that the oldest found bibles disagree those considered 'word of God' by devout followers.

Since you're unwilling to explain what these "oldest found Bibles" and "vast differences" are, we're kind of at a loggerhead. To the best of my knowledge, the only significant differences from early New Testament manuscripts are the post-resurrection appearances in Mark and the Comma Johanneum in 1 John, though neither significantly changes what the New Testament teaches.



posted on Feb, 21 2014 @ 12:47 AM
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The bibles authenticity seems to be a big deal.

What if you found a mathbook written by someone unknown and the book says 2 + 4 = 6 and all mathematical problems solved are correct? Is that a reason to not believe what's written in it?



posted on Feb, 21 2014 @ 06:34 AM
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You seem confused again.

I didn't make any ''wild claims'' the archaeological facts are there, from writings on Apollo, Mithra etc to early Gnostic and Coptic texts, to found 'bibles' (there are many).

I have more credentials than 'historian' but that is neither here nor there. I choose not to go over the entire 'bible authenticity' issue in this thread as it isn't the right thread to do so and I have done so many times on ATS on the correct threads.

I have read about the researcher you suggested and many others, however I still question the bible. That is my rational choice based on research.

Every time a conflicting archaeological find is made there are a screed of Christian scholars making excuses and using bible text as their 'proof'.

I was brought up a Christian in a very religious family, Church Elders etc, I even went to Church school on a Sunday, 'Jesus' was my hero as a child, until the answers I was given from the Church about Christianity and 'Jesus' sounded so unconvincing and contradictory, my faith wavered.

I studied various religions as a teenager and in my 30's, in depth, including academic research. I have read many academic papers on the foundations of Christianity. When you go far back enough and actually read the words recorded from various Councils and the first texts of Christian documents and see all sorts of paganism mentioned and disputes about whether to add certain aspects of Christ based on some Popes urge or if they think it is relevant to Christianity or not, when they argued about which names to use, and then whilst reading about other religions in a historical context and there are the same references, the pieces fit together into a picture of an emerging and evolved Christianity that is not as it pertains to be.

I would urge those seeking the truth to set aside their bible beliefs and do some real historical research.

Furthermore accusations of ''you're stupid and know nothing, show proof that the bible isn't authentic'' is just the sort of response I expect from those denying ignorance.

Some of the basics, as a start.
freethoughtnation.com...
www.dailykos.com...
fuzzyquark.comxa.com...
www.probe.org...
ntwrong.wordpress.com...
religion.blogs.cnn.com...
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posted on Feb, 21 2014 @ 06:44 AM
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Biblical text solving problems? Are you serious? Have you read the bible?

A few well known bible contraditctions


Theological doctrines:

1. God is satisfied with his works
Gen 1:31
God is dissatisfied with his works.
Gen 6:6
2. God dwells in chosen temples
2 Chron 7:12,16
God dwells not in temples
Acts 7:48
3. God dwells in light
Tim 6:16
God dwells in darkness
1 Kings 8:12/ Ps 18:11/ Ps 97:2
4. God is seen and heard
Ex 33:23/ Ex 33:11/ Gen 3:9,10/ Gen 32:30/ Is 6:1/
Ex 24:9-11
God is invisible and cannot be heard
John 1:18/ John 5:37/ Ex 33:20/ 1 Tim 6:16
5. God is tired and rests
Ex 31:17
God is never tired and never rests
Is 40:28
6. God is everywhere present, sees and knows all things
Prov 15:3/ Ps 139:7-10/ Job 34:22,21
God is not everywhere present, neither sees nor knows all
things
Gen 11:5/ Gen 18:20,21/ Gen 3:8
7. God knows the hearts of men
Acts 1:24/ Ps 139:2,3
God tries men to find out what is in their heart
Deut 13:3/ Deut 8:2/ Gen 22:12
8. God is all powerful
Jer 32:27/ Matt 19:26
God is not all powerful
Judg 1:19
9. God is unchangeable
James 1:17/ Mal 3:6/ Ezek 24:14/ Num 23:19
God is changeable
Gen 6:6/ Jonah 3:10/ 1 Sam 2:30,31/ 2 Kings 20:1,4,5,6/
Ex 33:1,3,17,14
10. God is just and impartial
Ps 92:15/ Gen 18:25/ Deut 32:4/ Rom 2:11/ Ezek 18:25
God is unjust and partial
Gen 9:25/ Ex 20:5/ Rom 9:11-13/ Matt 13:12
11. God is the author of evil
Lam 3:38/ Jer 18:11/ Is 45:7/ Amos 3:6/ Ezek 20:25
God is not the author of evil
1 Cor 14:33/ Deut 32:4/ James 1:13
12. God gives freely to those who ask
James 1:5/ Luke 11:10
God withholds his blessings and prevents men from receiving
them
John 12:40/ Josh 11:20/ Is 63:17
13. God is to be found by those who seek him
Matt 7:8/ Prov 8:17
God is not to be found by those who seek him
Prov 1:28
14. God is warlike
Ex 15:3/ Is 51:15
God is peaceful
Rom 15:33/ 1 Cor 14:33
15. God is cruel, unmerciful, destructive, and ferocious
Jer 13:14/ Deut 7:16/ 1 Sam 15:2,3/ 1 Sam 6:19
God is kind, merciful, and good
James 5:11/ Lam 3:33/ 1 Chron 16:34/ Ezek 18:32/ Ps 145:9/
1 Tim 2:4/ 1 John 4:16/ Ps 25:8
16. God's anger is fierce and endures long
Num 32:13/ Num 25:4/ Jer 17:4
God's anger is slow and endures but for a minute
Ps 103:8/ Ps 30:5
17. God commands, approves of, and delights in burnt offerings,
sacrifices ,and holy days
Ex 29:36/ Lev 23:27/ Ex 29:18/ Lev 1:9
God disapproves of and has no pleasure in burnt offerings,
sacrifices, and holy days.
Jer 7:22/ Jer 6:20/ Ps 50:13,4/ Is 1:13,11,12
18. God accepts human sacrifices
2 Sam 21:8,9,14/ Gen 22:2/ Judg 11:30-32,34,38,39
God forbids human sacrifice
Deut 12:30,31
19. God tempts men
Gen 22:1/ 2 Sam 24:1/ Jer 20:7/ Matt 6:13
God tempts no man
James 1:13
20. God cannot lie
Heb 6:18
God lies by proxy; he sends forth lying spirits t deceive
2 Thes 2:11/ 1 Kings 22:23/ Ezek 14:9
21. Because of man's wickedness God destroys him
Gen 6:5,7
Because of man's wickedness God will not destroy him
Gen 8:21
22. God's attributes are revealed in his works.
Rom 1:20
God's attributes cannot be discovered
Job 11:7/ Is 40:28
23. There is but one God
Deut 6:4
There is a plurality of gods
Gen 1:26/ Gen 3:22/ Gen 18:1-3/ 1 John 5:7

Moral Precepts

24. Robbery commanded
Ex 3:21,22/ Ex 12:35,36
Robbery forbidden
Lev 19:13/ Ex 20:15
25. Lying approved and sanctioned
Josh 2:4-6/ James 2:25/ Ex 1:18-20/ 1 Kings 22:21,22
Lying forbidden
Ex 20:16/ Prov 12:22/ Rev 21:8
26. Hatred to the Edomite sanctioned
2 Kings 14:7,3
Hatred to the Edomite forbidden
Deut 23:7
27. Killing commanded
Ex 32:27
Killing forbidden
Ex 20:13
28. The blood-shedder must die
Gen 9:5,6
The blood-shedder must not die
Gen 4:15
29. The making of images forbidden
Ex 20:4
The making of images commanded
Ex 25:18,20
30. Slavery and oppression ordained
Gen 9:25/ Lev 25:45,46/ Joel 3:8
Slavery and oppression forbidden
Is 58:6/ Ex 22:21/ Ex 21:16/ Matt 23:10
31. Improvidence enjoyed
Matt 6:28,31,34/ Luke 6:30,35/ Luke 12:3
Improvidence condemned
1 Tim 5:8/ Prov 13:22
32. Anger approved
Eph 4:26
Anger disapproved
Eccl 7:9/ Prov 22:24/ James 1:20
33. Good works to be seen of men
Matt 5:16
Good works not to be seen of men
Matt 6:1
34. Judging of others forbidden
Matt 7:1,2
Judging of others approved
1 Cor 6:2-4/ 1 Cor 5:12
35. Christ taught non-resistance
Matt 5:39/ Matt 26:52
Christ taught and practiced physical resistance
Luke 22:36/ John 2:15
36. Christ warned his followers not to fear being killed
Luke 12:4
Christ himself avoided the Jews for fear of being killed
John 7:1
37. Public prayer sanctioned
1 Kings 8:22,54, 9:3
Public prayer disapproved
Matt 6:5,6
38. Importunity in prayer commended
Luke 18:5,7
Importunity in prayer condemned
Matt 6:7,8
39. The wearing of long hair by men sanctioned
Judg 13:5/ Num 6:5
The wearing of long hair by men condemned
1 Cor 11:14
40. Circumcision instituted
Gen 17:10
Circumcision condemned
Gal 5:2
41. The Sabbath instituted
Ex 20:8
The Sabbath repudiated
Is 1:13/ Rom 14:5/ Col 2:16
42. The Sabbath instituted because God rested on the seventh day
Ex 20:11
The Sabbath instituted because God brought the Israelites
out of Egypt
Deut 5:15
43. No work to be done on the Sabbath under penalty of death
Ex 31:15/ Num 15:32,36
Jesus Christ broke the Sabbath and justified his disciples in
the same
John 5:16/ Matt 12:1-3,5
44. Baptism commanded
Matt 28:19
Baptism not commanded
1 Cor 1:17,14
45. Every kind of animal allowed for food.
Gen 9:3/ 1 Cor 10:25/ Rom 14:14
Certain kinds of animals prohibited for food.
Deut 14:7,8
46. Taking of oaths sanctioned
Num 30:2/ Gen 21:23-24,31/ Gen 31:53/ Heb 6:13
Taking of oaths forbidden
Matt 5:34
47. Marriage approved
Gen 2:18/ Gen 1:28/ Matt 19:5/ Heb 13:4
Marriage disapproved
1 Cor 7:1/ 1 Cor 7:7,8
48. Freedom of divorce permitted
Deut 24:1/ Deut 21:10,11,14
Divorce restricted
Matt 5:32
49. Adultery forbidden
Ex 20:14/ Heb 13:4
Adultery allowed
Num 31:18/ Hos 1:2; 2:1-3
50. Marriage or cohabitation with a sister denounced
Deut 27:22/ Lev 20:17
Abraham married his sister and God blessed the union
Gen 20:11,12/ Gen 17:16
51. A man may marry his brother's widow
Deut 25:5
A man may not marry his brother's widow
Lev 20:21
52. Hatred to kindred enjoined
Luke 14:26
Hatred to kindred condemned
Eph 6:2/ Eph 5:25,29
53. Intoxicating beverages recommended
Prov 31:6,7/ 1 Tim 5:23/ Ps 104:15
Intoxicating beverages discountenanced
Prov 20:1/ Prov 23:31,32
54. It is our duty to obey our rulers, who are God's ministers
and punish evil doers only
Rom 13:1-3,6
It is not our duty to obey rulers, who sometimes punish the
good and receive unto themselves damnation therefor
Ex 1:17,20/ Dan 3:16,18/ Dan 6:9,7,10/ Acts 4:26,27/
Mark 12:38,39,40/ Luke 23:11,24,33,35
55. Women's rights denied
Gen 3:16/ 1 Tim 2:12/ 1 Cor 14:34/ 1 Pet 3:6
Women's rights affirmed
Judg 4:4,14,15/ Judg 5:7/ Acts 2:18/ Acts 21:9
56. Obedience to masters enjoined
Col 3:22,23/ 1 Pet 2:18
Obedience due to God only
Matt 4:10/ 1 Cor 7:23/ Matt 23:10
57. There is an unpardonable sin
Mark 3:29
There is not unpardonable sin
Acts 13:39

Historical Facts

58. Man was created after the other animals
Gen 1:25,26,27
Man was created before the other animals
Gen 2:18,19
59. Seed time and harvest were never to cease
Gen 8:22
Seed time and harvest did cease for seven years
Gen 41:54,56/ Gen 45:6
60. God hardened Pharaoh's heart
Ex 4:21/ Ed 9:12
Pharaoh hardened his own heart
Ex 8:15
61. All the cattle and horses in Egypt died
Ex 9:3,6/ 14:9
All the horses of Egypt did not die
Ex 14:9
62. Moses feared Pharaoh
Ex 2:14,15,23; 4:19
Moses did not fear Pharaoh
Heb 11:27
63. There died of the plague twenty-four thousand
Num 25:9
There died of the plague but twenty-three thousand
1 Cor 10:8
64. John the Baptist was Elias
Matt 11:14
John the Baptist was not Elias
John 1:21
65. The father of Joseph, Mary's husband was Jacob
Matt 1:16
The father of Mary's husband was Heli
Luke 3:23
66. The father of Salah was Arphaxad
Gen 11:12
The father of Salah was Cainan
Luke 3:35,36
67. There were fourteen generations from Abraham to David
Matt 1:17
There were but thirteen generations from Abraham to David
Matt 1:2-6
68. There were fourteen generations from the Babylonian captivity
to Christ.
Matt 1:17
There were but thirteen generations from the Babylonian
captivity to Christ
Matt 1:12-16
69. The infant Christ was taken into Egypt
Matt 2:14,15,19,21,23
The infant Christ was not taken into Egypt
Luke 2:22, 39
70. Christ was tempted in the wilderness
Mark 1:12,13
Christ was not tempted in the wilderness
John 2:1,2
71. Christ preached his first sermon on the mount
Matt 5:1,2
Christ preached his first sermon on the plain
Luke 6:17,20
72. John was in prison when Jesus went into Galilee
Mark 1:14
John was not in prison when Jesus went into Galilee
John 1:43/ John 3:22-24
73. Christ's disciples were commanded to go forth with a staff
and sandals
Mark 6:8,9
Christ's disciples were commanded to go forth with neither
staffs nor sandals.
Matt 10:9,10
74. A woman of Canaan besought Jesus
Matt 15:22
It was a Greek woman who besought Him
Mark 7:26
75. Two blind men besought Jesus
Matt 20:30
Only one blind man besought Him
Luke 18:35,38
76. Christ was crucified at the third hour
Mark 15:25
Christ was not crucified until the sixth hour
John 19:14,15
77. The two thieves reviled Christ.
Matt 27:44/ Mark 15:32
Only one of the thieves reviled Christ
Luke 23:39,40
78. Satan entered into Judas while at supper
John 13:27
Satan entered into him before the supper
Luke 22:3,4,7
79. Judas committed suicide by hanging
Matt 27:5
Judas did not hang himself, but died another way
Acts 1:18
80. The potter's field was purchased by Judas
Acts 1:18
The potter's field was purchased by the Chief Priests
Matt 27:6,7
81. There was but one woman who came to the sepulchre
John 20:1
There were two women who came to the sepulchre
Matt 28:1
82. There were three women who came to the sepulchre
Mark 16:1
There were more than three women who came to the sepulchre
Luke 24:10
83. It was at sunrise when they came to the sepulchre
Mark 16:2
It was some time before sunrise when they came.
John 20:1
84. There were two angels seen by the women at the sepulchre, and
they were standing up.
Luke 24:4
There was but one angel seen, and he was sitting down.
Matt 28:2,5
85. There were two angels seen within the sepulchre.
John 20:11,12
There was but one angel seen within the sepulchre
Mark 16:5
86. Christ was to be three days and three nights in the grave
Matt 12:40
Christ was but two days and two nights in the grave
Mark 15:25,42,44,45,46; 16:9>
87. Holy ghost bestowed at pentecost
Acts 1:8,5
Holy ghost bestowed before pentecost
John 20:22
88. The disciples were commanded immediately after the
resurrection to go into Galilee
Matt 28:10
The disciples were commanded immediately after the
resurrection to go tarry at Jerusalem
Luke 24:49
89. Jesus first appeared to the eleven disciples in a room at
Jerusalem
Luke 24:33,36,37/ John 20:19
Jesus first appeared to the eleven on a mountain in Galilee
Matt 28:16,17
90. Christ ascended from Mount Olivet
Acts 1:9,12
Christ ascended from Bethany
Luke 24:50,51
91. Paul's attendants heard the miraculous voice, and stood
speechless
Acts 9:7
Paul's attendants heard not the voice and were prostrate
Acts 26:14
92. Abraham departed to go into Canaan
Gen 12:5
Abraham went not knowing where
Heb 11:8
93. Abraham had two sons
Gal 4:22
Abraham had but one son
Heb 11:17
94. Keturah was Abraham's wife
Gen 25:1
Keturah was Abraham's concubine
1 Chron 1:32
95. Abraham begat a son when he was a hundred years old, by the
interposition of Providence
Gen 21:2/ Rom 4:19/ Heb 11:12
Abraham begat six children more after he was a hundred years
old without any interposition of providence
Gen 25:1,2
96. Jacob bought a sepulchre from Hamor
Josh 24:32
Abraham bought it of Hamor
Acts 7:16
97. God promised the land of Canaan to Abraham and his seed
forever
Gen 13:14,15,17; 17:8
Abraham and his seed never received the promised land
Acts 7:5/ Heb 11:9,13
98. Goliath was slain by Elhanan
2 Sam 21:19 *note, was changed in translation to be
correct. Original manuscript was incorrect>
The brother of Goliath was slain by Elhanan
1 Chron 20:5
99. Ahaziah began to reign in the twelfth year of Joram
2 Kings 8:25
Ahaziah began to reign in the eleventh year of Joram
2 Kings 9:29
100. Michal had no child
2 Sam 6:23
Michal had five children
2 Sam 21:8
101. David was tempted by the Lord to number Israel
2 Sam 24:1
David was tempted by Satan to number the people
1 Chron 21:1
102. The number of fighting men of Israel was 800,000; and of
Judah 500,000
2 Sam 24:9
The number of fighting men of Israel was 1,100,000; and of
Judah 470,000
1 Chron 21:5



posted on Feb, 21 2014 @ 09:56 AM
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You clearly missed my point.

I feel there is nothing I can do for you.



posted on Feb, 21 2014 @ 10:06 AM
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Furthermore accusations of ''you're stupid and know nothing, show proof that the bible isn't authentic'' is just the sort of response I expect from those denying ignorance.

That isn't what I said.

Richard Bauckham has made the claim that the New Testament was written by eyewitnesses, and he has backed that up with direct evidence. You made the claim that the New Testament was written by a Roman scribe, and backed that up with no evidence. You won't even say what the documents are that you claim to have seen so that I could go track them down and see whether they are legitimate.

Put it another way. Let's say that I say this:

There are Nazi bases on the moon. I know that everyone tells you otherwise, and you can't see them, but several years ago, I saw secret documents on NASA's web site that said so. They took the documents down, of course, because NASA doesn't want you to know that there are secret Nazi bases on the moon.

So, what's your reaction? "Wow, Nazi bases on the moon!" or "That's ridiculous, show me some proof!"

I see that you've cited "Freethought Nation" as one of your sources. D.M. Murdoch is an abject fraud, and there are a number of threads here on ATS that expose her nonsense as such. Even atheists who think that the Bible is a work of fiction dismiss her.



posted on Feb, 21 2014 @ 11:43 AM
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adjensen
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You made the claim that the New Testament was written by a Roman scribe, and backed that up with no evidence. You won't even say what the documents are that you claim to have seen so that I could go track them down and see whether they are legitimate.

I see that you've cited "Freethought Nation" as one of your sources.



Again you are obviously confused.

I ACTUALLY said this. Really you should stop making straw man arguments.




For all you or anyone else knows it could have been a work of fiction by 'apostles' etc or some writer somewhere working to an agenda.





There is no proof that the first Christian bible wasn't written by say a Roman scribe or by false accounts of 'apostles'.


As for my research, I have read many ACADEMIC papers over a course of more than 10 years, which I have already mentioned more than once. There isn't a list of the links sitting right here for me to supply on ATS, if there was, I still wouldn't as it is my professional research and not public. That said, I have already told you of one of the most relevant from the Vatican website, the TRANSCRIPTS OF THE COUNCILS OF NICEA AND TRENT AMONG OTHERS.

I do not need to provide proof for my choice to question the bible.

Those that do not question it should be brought to task, how do you explain 8000 year old civilisations in Israel for example?, dinosaurs? There are so many questions.

As for the links I provided, those are not my research nor a source and I clearly didn't refer to them as such, so again stop the straw arguments. I provided those as a starting point for bible discrepancies.

Now, seeing as you are obviously creating straw arguments and making claims that I didn't say, I shall think of you as on par to a troll and as such not worthy of my time and energy. Therefore I shall not reply to you.
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That said, I have already told you of one of the most relevant from the Vatican website, the TRANSCRIPTS OF THE COUNCILS OF NICEA

There are no such transcripts. I gave you a link to the only known documents associated with the Council of Nicaea, and none of them are transcripts, because there weren't any.


“Burkhardt’s assessment of Constantine’s role at Nicaea– ‘insisting on homousios and cowing the majority into submission– is as unfounded as Carroll’s claims. Both rest on the same evidence which is to say, on nothing!!! Eusebius left us an account of the council, which he attended, but he provided very little information about the course of the debates and motivation of the participants, and certainly no transcript.” (Source, though he's citing a book by Peter Leithart)

So I don't know what you think you saw on the Vatican's web site, but it wasn't a transcript of the First Council of Nicaea.

Once again, historical evidence indicates that the Gospels were sourced from eyewitnesses to the life and teaching of Christ, and were written in the Apostolic Age, making them the best source of information about Christ. And those texts do not support any claim that Jesus taught Buddhism, apart from general moral teachings that any moral teacher would impart.



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