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darkbake
reply to post by LightSource
I was thinking about this today. There are some things written in the Bible that don't make any sense unless they were written after the start of an Information Age like the one we are in now. For one thing, Eve ate from an Apple in order to learn Knowledge. Could this be a reference to Apple computers?
LightSource
So I was thinking about this today. How could we prove that we are in a simulated universe. I started thinking about our past and where many different people think it started, Religion. It seems that all religions are based off the same thing but just told with a different twist. I don't know much religion however I do know the story of Adam and Eve. How Adam came first and Eve came after and then I thought. What if Adam wasn't Adam, but Atom. And Eve wasn't Eve it was Everything. So it wasn't that Adam came before Eve. It was Atom is, Everything. The Atom came before everything. Something that the creators left behind like a "note" if you will. If the Atom is everything and everything is an Atom then everything must be alive. If everything is alive (the keyboard, mouse, rocks, plastics, books, lava, fire, everything) because that is what we all are made of, then we are in a simulation.
If you think about computer code. Its all made of of the same thing just in a different order. Everything is made of computer code (Atoms = Everything) just in different order..
It seems that all religions are based off the same thing but just told with a different twist. I don't know much religion however I do know the story of Adam and Eve. How Adam came first and Eve came after and then I thought. What if Adam wasn't Adam, but Atom. And Eve wasn't Eve it was Everything. So it wasn't that Adam came before Eve
The name atom comes from the Greek ἄτομος (atomos, "indivisible") from ἀ- (a-, "not") and τέμνω (temnō, "I cut"),[3] which means uncuttable, or indivisible, something that cannot be divided further.[4] The concept of an atom as an indivisible component of matter was first proposed by early Indian and Greek philosophers.
References to the concept of atoms date back to ancient Greece and India. In India, the Ājīvika, Jain, and Cārvāka schools of atomism may date back to the 6th century BCE.[9] The Nyaya and Vaisheshika schools later developed theories on how atoms combined into more complex objects.[10] In the West, the references to atoms emerged in the 5th century BCE with Leucippus, whose student, Democritus, systematized his views. In approximately 450 BCE, Democritus coined the term átomos (Greek: ἄτομος), which means "uncuttable" or "the smallest indivisible particle of matter". Although the Indian and Greek concepts of the atom were based purely on philosophy, modern science has retained the name coined by Democritus.[
Earth = 12.76 x 10+6 = 12,760,000 meters wide (12.76 million meters)
Plant Cell = 12.76 x 10-6 = 0.00001276 meters wide (12.76 millionths of a meter)
Phage
reply to post by LightSource
No. You couldn't.
You could also use E = mc2 to show that everything is made of the same thing.
Why?
If everything is made of the same thing then everything must also be "alive".
Animism (from Latin animus, -i "soul, life")[1] is the worldview that non-human entities, including animals, plants, and often even inanimate objects or phenomena, possess a spiritual essence.
LightSource
reply to post by Phage
In fact I could say if Everything is matter/energy you could also say its code as well. Matter is either the 1 and energy is 0, or energy is 1 and Matter is 0. I would say that energy is 1 and matter is 0. Start your code...
LightSource
It doesn't matter what everything is made of it could be jelly or sand or water. If everything known is made of the same thing it is a code. Or made by creator/creators and still a type of "code".
bigcountry08
reply to post by darkbake
gen 3
3But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God has said, You shall not eat of it, neither shall you touch it, lest you die.
there is nothing in the bible about apples, modern culture just used a well know type of fruit in books and movies to eplain the passage in a way children would understand.
To the Op
how is one specific identical thing a code? (atoms) especially since atoms break down into smaller particals, and for all we know those smaller particles can turn into even smaller particles infinitely. by what i understand ( which i dont understand a lot) even the simplest form of life has highly complex actions taking place inside of them. your basically thinking from the point of knowledge Darwin had about single celled organisms he though they were super simple and only had a few mechinismims We know that to be untrue today because we can see greater detail in the small side of our universe.
Prezbo369
LightSource
It doesn't matter what everything is made of it could be jelly or sand or water. If everything known is made of the same thing it is a code. Or made by creator/creators and still a type of "code".
Wat??
In physics, the law of conservation of energy states that the total energy of an isolated system cannot change—it is said to be conserved over time. Energy can be neither created nor destroyed, but can change form, for instance chemical energy can be converted to kinetic energy in the explosion of a stick of dynamite.
Krazysh0t
If the universe were a simulation it wouldn't be programmed in binary code. Binary code only allows for two answers. Yes or no. Life has shown that there can be multiple outcomes besides yes or no. That is why a fully functioning artificial intelligence could NEVER be programmed in binary. If you cannot program intelligence in binary, it stands to reason that you cannot program a universe in it either, because intelligence is a part of that universe.
You need to take your argument back to the drawing board and rethink it with a higher dimensional logic language. Binary (dimension of 2) doesn't cut it.edit on 17-2-2014 by Krazysh0t because: (no reason given)
Krazysh0t
If the universe were a simulation it wouldn't be programmed in binary code. Binary code only allows for two answers. Yes or no. Life has shown that there can be multiple outcomes besides yes or no. That is why a fully functioning artificial intelligence could NEVER be programmed in binary. If you cannot program intelligence in binary, it stands to reason that you cannot program a universe in it either, because intelligence is a part of that universe.
You need to take your argument back to the drawing board and rethink it with a higher dimensional logic language. Binary (dimension of 2) doesn't cut it.edit on 17-2-2014 by Krazysh0t because: (no reason given)
WeezusGeezus
reply to post by LightSource
That is a really interesting way to see it, and it visually makes so much more sense like that. I picture what you said like a high def video camera, which just makes so much more scientific sense than the mainstream way of thinking. Thank god for ATS!! I'm still figuring out this bonus flag star system, and will be giving you them if I can (not sure if I have to earn them before giving?)
It has been known for more than three millennia that water contains far more than the chemical formula H20 implies. It is not just the liquid without which life on our planet would be impossible. Water has powers and oscillations which have not yet all been discovered and analysed. Water is capable of storing and transferring ethereal information. This discovery is utilised in homeopathy, for example. Nowadays this "water memory" is no longer denied by renowned scientists