whats stopping jesus from incarnating again?

in revelation 12 of the woman and the dragon it tells of a child who is born who is caught up to god and his throne.
Many people have told me that the woman reflects mary and the dragon king herod.

but whats stopping jesus from incarnating on earth again?
why couldnt jesus incarnate again if he existed before his incarnation?

I personally believe jesus should experience what its like to be a modern day human.

Take a look around, would you want to come back to this train wreck?

reply to post by Belcastro

The short answer is - "because he said he wouldn't".
Matthew ch24 vv23-27 If you are invited to go somewhere to see the returned "Christ", he must by defintion be a fake. So don't do it, he says.
That shows that he was not expecting to be born on earth again where people could go and see him.
On the contrary, his arrival would actually be sudden and evident to everyone at the same time ("as lightning shines from east to west") and would be "coming with power and great glory" (v30) rather than as an ordinary man.

Hoosierdaddy71
Take a look around, would you want to come back to this train wreck?

jesus doesnt come here because he wants to. im sure hed rather be in heaven.

DISRAELI
reply to post by Belcastro

 

The short answer is - "because he said he wouldn't".
Matthew ch24 vv23-27 If you are invited to go somewhere to see the returned "Christ", he must by defintion be a fake. So don't do it, he says.
That shows that he was not expecting to be born on earth again where people could go and see him.
On the contrary, his arrival would actually be sudden and evident to everyone at the same time ("as lightning shines from east to west") and would be "coming with power and great glory" (v30) rather than as an ordinary man.

where in the bible does it say that jesus wouldnt incarnate again? it worked the first time why not do it again.

reply to post by Belcastro

I just quoted the relevant passage. Matthew ch24.

Last time I saw Jesus was in a bar in Sheboygan Wisconsin. I had him as my foosball partner. He lived on a houseboat.

Somehow I don't think this Jesus is the Jesus you are talking about. His drivers license said he was Jesus though.

DISRAELI
reply to post by Belcastro

 

I just quoted the relevant passage. Matthew ch24.

but that quote doesnt say anything about incarnation, it basically tells you to be aware of fakes.
you inserted your own opinion of the quote, and i respect your opinion, but i believe jesus can incarnate again if he chose to.

reply to post by Belcastro

the rest of the chapter also describes how he DOES expect to come.
Suddenly and visible to everyone, and "coming with power and great glory", with all the power of God.
Just being born into a human body doesn't fit the description.
Whether he could or not, his own description says he won't.

reply to post by Belcastro


Well to answer your question from memory.

Most if not all of the signs in revelations have not passed yet. So if you want to stay in a Christian framework the proper "stuff" hasn't happened yet.

No one can decider the timing, so one has to infer that the situation will not look like the calamnity it is, right now things are grim so to suspicious to be the right time.

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Now I suppose again from a Christian perspective Christ can do whatever he likes, but he really likes making his Dad happy and nothing else...so another reason.

If you want to remove the context from the character and make like he's super man then I guess anything is pissible but not probable.

Cheers

start with the symbols. biblical prophecy uses symbol and metaphor.
in addition, there's usually more than one layer of data. for example,
the woman is virgo the virgin
the dragon is draco the dragon

the woman is also the virgin mary
the dragon is also the roman empire

there's another two secret layers here as well.

notice in the rest of the verse the description is that
the child (who is the lamb of god) is snatched up to
heaven. this is the resurrection of jesus.

next, the woman is carried into the wilderness on
the wings of an eagle. this is the beginning of a reference to
the mirror of heaven and earth. the constellations
above are mirrored unto the earth, with the starting position
set at about the prime meridian, which appears to be counted
from the pillars of hercules that represents gemini. this constellation
is mirrored at the straits of gibraltar. follow the constellations
around the sphere of the earth, as they appear in the ecliptic till
you get to virgo, which is situated over a thirty degree corridor
over the eastern half of the usa, central america and the caribbean

this woman (virgo) now represents christians, jews and masons.
the christians were taken into the wilderness to escape
the dragon, who is apparently on a rampage at that point, as
are jews and masons who fled to america to escape persecution
in europe. this is what it means about being taken on the wings
of an eagle into the wilderness.

there's a bit here about bloodlines as well, but that's a slightly
different topic.

the child who would rule the world with a rod of iron is identified
as jesus, but he was killed, resurrected and snatched up to heaven.
the rod of iron was the symbol of the roman empire. in effect, he
was an heir of the throne of the roman empire in his day.
the dragon (roman empire) got him before he could fulfill the prophecy
and this has puzzled people for quite some time. he was never meant to rule
the world with a rod of iron on his first go around. he was the lamb, represented
as a young aries, who eventually grows to maturity and THEN he has the
rod of iron. as an adult aries, he represents the conquering king with the rod of
iron. that hasn't happened yet. this means the guys pretending to be his voice
over yonder in ye olde roman empire, are going to be supplanted by the real mccoy.

it isn't a reincarnation, it's the actual original dude in the same resurrected body as
he had as the lamb, while on earth before.

reply to post by Belcastro


6 feet of dirt

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start with the symbols. biblical prophecy uses symbol and metaphor.
in addition, there's usually more than one layer of data. for example,
the woman is virgo the virgin
the dragon is draco the dragon

the woman is also the virgin mary
the dragon is also the roman empire

there's another two secret layers here as well.

notice in the rest of the verse the description is that
the child (who is the lamb of god) is snatched up to
heaven. this is the resurrection of jesus.

next, the woman is carried into the wilderness on
the wings of an eagle. this is the beginning of a reference to
the mirror of heaven and earth. the constellations
above are mirrored unto the earth, with the starting position
set at about the prime meridian, which appears to be counted
from the pillars of hercules that represents gemini. this constellation
is mirrored at the straits of gibraltar. follow the constellations
around the sphere of the earth, as they appear in the ecliptic till
you get to virgo, which is situated over a thirty degree corridor
over the eastern half of the usa, central america and the caribbean

this woman (virgo) now represents christians, jews and masons.
the christians were taken into the wilderness to escape
the dragon, who is apparently on a rampage at that point, as
are jews and masons who fled to america to escape persecution
in europe. this is what it means about being taken on the wings
of an eagle into the wilderness.

there's a bit here about bloodlines as well, but that's a slightly
different topic.

the child who would rule the world with a rod of iron is identified
as jesus, but he was killed, resurrected and snatched up to heaven.
the rod of iron was the symbol of the roman empire. in effect, he
was an heir of the throne of the roman empire in his day.
the dragon (roman empire) got him before he could fulfill the prophecy
and this has puzzled people for quite some time. he was never meant to rule
the world with a rod of iron on his first go around. he was the lamb, represented
as a young aries, who eventually grows to maturity and THEN he has the
rod of iron. as an adult aries, he represents the conquering king with the rod of
iron. that hasn't happened yet. this means the guys pretending to be his voice
over yonder in ye olde roman empire, are going to be supplanted by the real mccoy.

it isn't a reincarnation, it's the actual original dude in the same resurrected body as
he had as the lamb, while on earth before.

how do you know the dragon is draco instead of hydra; in the side notes of my bible they reffer to it as the leviathan.

The Harlot, The Virgin, The Dragon, And The Bright Morning Star.

Hydra stands next to virgo and covers 1/3 of the zodiac.
Venus will be in the belly of virgo with the sun behind her and the moon under her feet.

This had happened on september 29th 2011



and please go on about the bloodline

www.abovetopsecret.com...

reply to post by Belcastro


everything has several layers in prophecy. there's more than one of everything.
there's more than one version of the virgin
there's more than one version of the lamb.
there's more than one version of the dragon.
there's more than one way to view christians, jews and masons.
knowing the difference between these views, is the answer
to the question.

what this means is that it starts off as a wilderness retreat and is taken over
eventually by the dragon, which is later depicted as the war against the
believers. in effect, various faiths and schools of knowledge fled to the usa
to escape persecution abroad, and were safe from the face of the dragon
for awhile. but eventually, the dragon regains control and begins the
persecution anew and one way he does this is to pretend he represents
the christian people of the nation, and then he goes around the world
wreaking havoc in the name of god, thus causing the whole world to
hate christianity.

people who are aware of this aspect and still hate actual christians,
believe this is just our come uppance for even putting stock in prophecy
in the first place -- in effect, a self-fulfilling demise.
in this way, they buy into the rhetoric of the dragon and become party to
the event. in mysticism this is just viewed as a necessary culling of the earth's
population for the betterment and evolution of humankind. there's no room
on the dragon's planet for people who don't believe whatever the dragon
says to believe, regardless of whether it's old or new science.

undo
reply to post by Belcastro

 

everything has several layers in prophecy. there's more than one of everything.
there's more than one version of the virgin
there's more than one version of the lamb.
there's more than one version of the dragon.
there's more than one way to view christians, jews and masons.
knowing the difference between these views, is the answer
to the question.

what this means is that it starts off as a wilderness retreat and is taken over
eventually by the dragon, which is later depicted as the war against the
believers. in effect, various faiths and schools of knowledge fled to the usa
to escape persecution abroad, and were safe from the face of the dragon
for awhile. but eventually, the dragon regains control and begins the
persecution anew and one way he does this is to pretend he represents
the christian people of the nation, and then he goes around the world
wreaking havoc in the name of god, thus causing the whole world to
hate christianity.

people who are aware of this aspect and still hate actual christians,
believe this is just our come uppance for even putting stock in prophecy
in the first place -- in effect, a self-fulfilling demise.
in this way, they buy into the rhetoric of the dragon and become party to
the event. in mysticism this is just viewed as a necessary culling of the earth's
population for the betterment and evolution of humankind. there's no room
on the dragon's planet for people who don't believe whatever the dragon
says to believe, regardless of whether it's old or new science.

in genesis god says that the heavens were made to serve as signs, and jesus told his apostles to look for the signs in the skies.
But how do you know the dragon is draco? because if im wrong about it being hydra i would like to know why.

reply to post by Belcastro


it's both. draco the dragon is the clock, so you can keep track of the passage of prophetical time, not so you can claim an actual date of jesus' return but so you can recognize the times and seasons the events describe. the date to begin counting from is when sun rises in virgo's midsection -- the metaphor is that she is pregnant with the sun - pregnant with the son. the snatching up is the scoop (ursa major), which is also the reference used when 1/3rd of the stars are hurled to earth. this also has a multiple meaning. the first meaning is the scoop, is part of the clock mechanism. as precession of the equinoxes pass, the position of these constellations change, until eventually, the scoop is upside down versus the earth viewer, appearing to dump its starry contents onto the earth.

virgo-hydra is the reference to the fake christian leader, pretending to be the resurrected and conquering king who goes around the planet causing the whole planet to hate christianity - thus you read reports of christians abroad being killed in nations that are undergoing wars in which the usa plays a part. this version is not actual christians. in other words, they don't actually believe a word of it, they are just playing out their role of fulfilling prophecy, thus ridding the planet of excess population, people the dragon owes money to, and so on. they view themselves as the leaders of each new age. this is the new age. the new age requires the slaughtering of the people of the previous age or at least, that's what they believe. ever read blavatsky's "the secret doctrine"?

If Jesus had come back, it might have broken out a war or something. Because large parts of the world have faith in something else, and would probably not have accepted Jesus/christianity as the "true path". And then he might have done more harm than good?

undo
reply to post by Belcastro

 

it's both. draco the dragon is the clock, so you can keep track of the passage of prophetical time, not so you can claim an actual date of jesus' return but so you can recognize the times and seasons the events describe. the date to begin counting from is when sun rises in virgo's midsection -- the metaphor is that she is pregnant with the sun - pregnant with the son. the snatching up is the scoop (ursa major), which is also the reference used when 1/3rd of the stars are hurled to earth. this also has a multiple meaning. the first meaning is the scoop, is part of the clock mechanism. as precession of the equinoxes pass, the position of these constellations change, until eventually, the scoop is upside down versus the earth viewer, appearing to dump its starry contents onto the earth.

virgo-hydra is the reference to the fake christian leader, pretending to be the resurrected and conquering king who goes around the planet causing the whole planet to hate christianity - thus you read reports of christians abroad being killed in nations that are undergoing wars in which the usa plays a part. this version is not actual christians. in other words, they don't actually believe a word of it, they are just playing out their role of fulfilling prophecy, thus ridding the planet of excess population, people the dragon owes money to, and so on. they view themselves as the leaders of each new age. this is the new age. the new age requires the slaughtering of the people of the previous age or at least, that's what they believe. ever read blavatsky's "the secret doctrine"?

ok but you said the dragon represents the roman empire; but in the bible it says the dragon is called satan, the devil, the ancient serpent. it goes to war with archangel michael and his angels.

do you view archangel michael as a constellation as well?

reply to post by Belcastro

in revelation 12 of the woman and the dragon it tells of a child who is born who is caught up to god and his throne.
Many people have told me that the woman reflects mary and the dragon king herod.

That interpretation makes no sense.
We are the child, if you belive in Jesus and belong to the church.

but whats stopping jesus from incarnating on earth again?

He already did that, between his resurrection and his final ascension to the Father in Heaven.

why couldnt jesus incarnate again if he existed before his incarnation?

He is incarnated right now but in the same type of incorruptible body as we will have when we are resurrected.

I personally believe jesus should experience what its like to be a modern day human.

We all are facing the same choices as they did when Jesus was here physically.

reply to post by Belcastro


everything in prophecy is layered. the accuser is a layer of description of the dragon. the accuser is religious law
which has many variants but is used to persecute people, both in and out of the religions in question. the accuser
is also governmental laws, which has been known to persecute people enmasse. if you want to get down to nitty
gritty descriptions, we have to go all the way back to the garden of eden and that's a whole different topic.