Doctors and other "healthcare providers" deliberately caused healthcare to be unaffordable

I believe the so called "healthcare crisis" was deliberately created by a deep conspiracy among healthcare professionals, educators and the government. This was done in order to sabotage the free market and freedom of choice. The reasoning behind this theory is that if you wanted to do this, you would need to pick the type of product/service that everyone eventually needs and no one can do without when the right situation arises.

Make a severe emergency expensive enough and see to it that poor people have the hardest time paying for it when it happens to them and you will have the perfect storm. It has literally created a demand for socialism. This would be very difficult to do with any kind of product or service that people can do without. People will pretty much do anything when they're suffering with physical pain or they believe they're dying.

There was never any good reason why two weeks in the hospital after a stroke (for example) had to cost 50 thousand dollars. The only thing that makes sense would be if they were purposely trying to price it out of reach of exactly the kind of people who would be unlikely to be able to pay for it. And such people would inevitably demand to have something done about this.

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Except that universal health care is far cheaper than the "free market" the US has had for a long time. It's not is not socialist health care that is the problem, it is the asshats running things.

This would be very difficult to do with any kind of product or service that people can do without.

Didn't GM get nationalized, didn't the banks get huge loans from government? I fail to see the difference.

Corporatism. Credit to bobs_uruncle.

boncho
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Except that universal health care is far cheaper than the "free market" the US has had for a long time.

Of course it is. Because again, the prices were deliberately fixed to make people beg for it. Why would capitalists want to sabotage their own system by making prices so high people are begging for socialism? Ridiculous! They wouldn't! They would see the benefit of charging reasonable prices so more people could pay and stay healthier and contribute more to the rest of the market. They wouldn't want to run the system into the ground with impossibly high prices that no one could afford.

Didn't GM get nationalized, didn't the banks get huge loans from government? I fail to see the difference.

Didn't all of this happen once things had been sufficiently sabotaged that the government could do it's white knight act? You think these people have been wanting to do this for all this time and they wouldn't do whatever they could to make it happen on purpose?

BrianFlanders
I believe the so called "healthcare crisis" was deliberately created by a deep conspiracy among healthcare professionals, educators and the government.

Yep. Got bad in the '70s. Introduce lawyers and insurance and it got beyond repair.

The fix was always simple ... graduate more doctors from med school. Had anyone paid attention to the 85% rejection rate for med school applicants, it would have been apparent 'they' were stacking the deck in their favor.

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Of course it is. Because again, the prices were deliberately fixed to make people beg for it. Why would capitalists want to sabotage their own system by making prices so high people are begging for socialism? Ridiculous! They wouldn't!

I feel like you are missing the point. The problem isn't socialized health care. Do you not understand that healthcare is highest per capita cost in the US over all else? That the people controlling it, if they took an actual universal health care model, that it would not earn as much as they do now?

You have very wealthy socialist states with higher standard of living than the US, there are also some that are disasters. Saying this is some long play to instil socialism is beyond short sighted, it's stupid.

Why would capitalists rig a system? Well, it's called government lobbying. Capitalism worked great in the beginning, but as soon as business quashed smaller businesses and used government regulation and other means to make it impossible to compete via startup, things went down hill.

Capitalism works with small companies, large resources, trade, etc. And entrepreneurial spirit. Once you start changing the landscape capitalism doesn't work well anymore. We are talking about a slow development that happened over a hundred years while people pushed for oligarchical control over the markets. In other words, this wasn't done for turning your country into a socialist state, it was done for legacy, power and money. Simple as that.

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I have never understood the American Health System. Such disparity, access to healthcare, sadly the AHS efficency score only 30.8%

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The high cost of health care is directly linked to the cost of insurance for medical malpractice.

AutumnWitch657
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The high cost of health care is directly linked to the cost of insurance for medical malpractice.

And this couldn't have been done on purpose?

Again, if you have people at the control panel who want a certain result, if they know what they need to do in order to make that happen, what will stop them? As long as it's either legal or they don't appear to be doing anything wrong, nothing. We know darn well this country is full of socialists. And it's pretty obvious that they have always known exactly where they needed to be in order to get control of the things they needed to be in control of in order to make things happen. These people have been systematically infiltrating everything for decades. Especially once most of the opposition died down. When people started calling people like McCarthy paranoid nuts and the majority of the establishment became very left wing.