posted on Feb, 13 2014 @ 01:07 PM
I think I'm learning why I dislike political threads as I do. In almost every such thread, people quickly end up yelling and calling each other
names, as has happened in this thread (shame on you, you know who you are).
In the very rare exception, people take the time to figure out what it is that they're talking about. They actually reach an understanding on what
the words they're using mean.
I have been truly blessed to have been in a thread where people actually defined their terms in an understandable way, and went on to talk about the
positions each had. They actually learned from each other. That thread may have been a hallucination, I don't remember running into anything like
it recently, and our search engine isn't turning it up.
The OP seems to be saying that Republican is defined as Conservative, and that most politicians who call themselves Republicans shouldn't because
they don't work for Conservative values. Conservative is not directly defined, but I assume it is the opposite of "Progressive."
It seems that the OP takes the rather clear and generally accepted position that Progressives are more comfortable with Statism, the idea that
decision making should become ever more centralized. Decisions formerly made by counties should be made by states, decisions made by states should be
made by Washington, and decisions currently made by Washington should be made by the UN.
In the OP's analysis, Conservatives would prefer to reverse that process. (I know I'm speaking generally, and with a broad brush, but I don't
believe there are exceptions sufficient to disprove the general point.
The OP touches on at least three major points, I wish it were a little more focused. Would Christie win the Presidency as a Democrat? Quite
possibly. My problem is would he win the Democrat nomination? That doesn't seem likely.
Are the media focusing on Obama in order to avoid looking at anyone else? I'm not sure the OP makes that case either. Consider that the media have
no trouble spending hours on Christie and the bridge based on little or no evidence. And I don't think people will forget who made Obamacare (AKA
Affordable Care Act). If you were in the House or the Senate at the time of the vote and you had an (R) after your name, you voted against it. If
you had a (D) you voted for it. Simplest vote tally in years.
But the third point relates to the names and philosophies of the different groups in politics. MrSpad, as an example, believes that the people
labelled as Conservatives by the OP are actually extreme crazies hated by the American public, and the OP's RINOs are actually true Republicans or
Conservatives. If we accept the OP's definitions, and by custom we normally should, MrSpad's position is indefensible. The lack of serious results
in countering the "Progressive" agenda, and the many Republican votes supporting them, indicates to many that the RINOs of the OP are not seriously
opposed to progressivism.
There is really no way to formulate MrSpad's (and others') position so that it makes sense. He is articulating what is commonly held, but that
belief is wrong. Are the Republicans in general " Acceptably moderate Right Wing," and the Cruz supporters radical crazies? Where, then, are the
Democrats? To say they are the acceptably moderate Left Wing, is bizarre beyond words. It cannot be rationally defended.
Are the Democrats without "radical crazies?" Farrakhan, Sharpton, Pelosi, Ellison, and so many more. Those are all moderate Democrats? That's
silly. And there are dozens more. Why then is it so rare to find any Democrat labelled as Left Wing? And which group is regularly described by the
press as radical, or extreme, left wing?
We learn, then, that in the eyes of the press and even some posters, that the Democrats (or Progressives) are sane and moderate. The Republicans who
don't seriously get in the way of Progressive policies are right wingers, and the people who do attempt to oppose Progressive policies are labelled
crazy, radical, extremist, terrorist, and similar terms.
The idea that the Republican party as represented by Cruz, etc. is extreme, radical, and crazy, is so biased and flawed that I'm surprised anyone
mentions it in polite society.