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bottom line.... enjoy your weekend? thank a union worker
How does that pertain to the conversation? Why don't you explain yourself better?
reply to post by Bilk22
A necessary evil? only if you owned a factory.
So let me ask you Mr. Braveheart, you willing to walk a 6 inch (we'll make it wide) 50 feet in the air for 6 bucks an hour, no safety?
I didn't waste time reading your entire post. I did read your first example. Call OSHA. They're the law regarding worker safety. You can do it anonymously.
reply to post by Bilk22
Laws protecting workers? What country are you from? You have no real protection here in the USA. I once worked in a place that in order to plug in a piece of equipment,you had to stand in water on a metal bucket to reach the extension cord.Guess what happened next. Yeah, this one woman got shocked so bad,she was knocked off the bucket with a burnt hand. We had to work sometimes 18 hours a day to get all the work done there.There was no breaks at all. Finally people had enough of it and called the labor board to come in and do something.They laid out all they're complaints and told what had been happening.Do you know what the labor board said? "They can do that, its they're business and they can run it however they want. If you don't like it here then get another job."
So good luck trying to press any of those laws in effect to protect you. There are many things that have been adopted by companies for employee benefits.But those only came after unions fought to get them for they're people. Before unions, a company could work you as many hours as they wanted with no breaks,at whatever pay they wanted.No such thing as a weekend or vacation etc.
Want to take your company to court to fight for your rights? Well good luck with that one too. Lawyers are terribly expensive,if you can find one that does Pro bono,nice. But just wait till you win your case (if you win it)then see how much your lawyer eats it up.That one my father found out.Then there is paying for every Joe,Jim and Gary out there that spent even 15 minutes doing anything at all that has to be paid out of the settlement.Now lets say you did win, guess where your job is going after its all over. Well you can forget about raises or any climbing up at your company now.In fact you'll be lucky in how much longer you get to work there. Companies have sneaky ways of getting rid of "TROUBLE MAKERS'. And yes that would be you. You would be a pariah at that company till you left.
Okay,so you go and try to get another job after they fire you or make it so impossible that you can't work there any more. Guess what a lot of employers ask now? Mine did at the job I'm at now, "Are you or have you ever sued a employer or former employer"? Now here you are trying to get this job you need so bad,if you lie,one they find out (and they will),you will be dismissed for false information in an interview. If you are truthful,your application goes in the trash as soon as you walk out of the door.
But thats okay. You don't feel the need for a union to protect you. I hate to break it to you,but unions are American. United we stand,divided we fall. Unions give you the right to have your say without fear of punishment. During the civil rights marches in the '60s, the unions went down and marched with the people to back them up. For some reason people keep getting unions mixed up with the police. The unions are supposed to police they're own people and make them behave! That is not what they are there for. They are there to enforce a contract that was voted on by they're members,and a company signed off on agreeing too.The company does and can and is supposed to be the one that does any corrective work when an employee does something wrong.
Companies have been on a campaign to discredit and ruin unions in the eyes of the people to get rid of them. It has been a successful campaign at that. Here are some things people need to ask themselves before they go on a union bashing spree:
If you are resentful of the wages union people make,instead of being mad that a group of people got together and decided to take action to get fair wages and benefits,why aren't don't you get off your rear and go the same. Its easier than you know.
If you like having a weekend off, vacation time, better wages, secure benefits, and the like,why are you so anti-union? It got all those things for people.
Do you really want to have to go to court to enforce every right you 'should' have to begin with?
If you believe that union wages are whats causing the cost of everything to go up, then explain the economics that has caused inflation to be higher now than at any other time in our generation.After all the unions are at they're lowest numbers since unions first came into being.So why would everything cost more now? I would suggest if you want the real answers,to go watch the movie 'Four Horsemen".The leading people in the world are asked about what all is going on and how it got this way and what we need to do about it.The answers are VERY interesting.Not one price has dropped by any company that busted up they're union. Odd don't you think?
There was a time in this country where people laid down they're lives to fight to get unions, it is an extreme disservice to those that died fighting for this to hear people now say "we don't need them anymore".There are many examples of this during the '40s.I can tell you one right off. You know how much Ford loves you? Yeah well you can forget about that one. As GM and Chrysler were bowing finally to having unions ,Henry Ford said there was no way he was letting them in. He stood his ground and brought in Pinkerton security to enforce it. Pinkerton proceeded to shoot and kill people that were peacefully protesting for the union on a bridge.Chaos ensued,by the time it was over,Ford was hated and people across America were boycotting Ford.Mr.Ford decided the only way to save the company then was to let in the unions.AFTER someone was killed. Just before I went to work there, an $8 million lawsuit had just been settled with Ford, they didn't want to let woman in to work at the plants.You know why? They had troughs running along the lines where the men worked for one thing. You didn't get a bathroom break, you just whipped it out and peed right there while you worked.Great system eh? Can't do that with women around though.There was other reasons as well. Such as they would have to change the jobs around to where people could do them without killing themselves. There were jobs there that only the strongest of guys could do,Ford left them that way because he hated his workers and punished them in any way he could. To the day I left there,they would not put in air conditioning at ANY plant.You want a union? Okay stupid,then suffer in the heat while you work. I kid you not.Is it any wonder why they have unions fighting with them?