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Catholic high school in Montana fired an unmarried teacher when she became pregnant

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posted on Feb, 13 2014 @ 11:20 AM
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That's a ridiculous attempt to create a 'parallel'.

No, it isn't. You're claiming that if she was a good teacher and people liked her, then her behaviour should be overlooked. I'm saying that a person's behaviour, whatever it happens to be, must be taken into account if their job establishes standards for that behaviour, no matter what they are.




posted on Feb, 13 2014 @ 11:34 AM
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Why is there even a debate on this?

Do some want a government panel to tell religions what to do, how to act, what and how to believe?

The teacher broke the contract she made with the school.

She should not be rewarded for her breaking a contractual obligation.

QED



posted on Feb, 13 2014 @ 12:01 PM
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Why is there even a debate on this?


Why? Because this action reveals the hypocrisy of the Catholic Church and their innate discrimination of women. Not to mention how their action will encourage hundreds, if not thousands, of young Catholic girls to get abortions.

The Catholic Abortion Paradox
Why are Catholic women in the U.S. more likely to have an abortion than their Protestant counterparts?



posted on Feb, 13 2014 @ 12:21 PM
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windword
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Why is there even a debate on this?


Why? Because this action reveals the hypocrisy of the Catholic Church and their innate discrimination of women. Not to mention how their action will encourage hundreds, if not thousands, of young Catholic girls to get abortions.

The Catholic Abortion Paradox
Why are Catholic women in the U.S. more likely to have an abortion than their Protestant counterparts?




Did she violate the terms of her contract?



posted on Feb, 13 2014 @ 12:34 PM
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I watched a fact based film a matter of a few weeks ago titled,

'The Magdalene Sisters' written and directed by Peter Mullan and released in 2002.


It was about the inhuman treatment given to what was referred to as 'fallen women'

(aka single and pregnant! notice the male gets away scott free again)

who were incarcerated in a Catholic Nun run laundry/asylum. There they struggled

to maintain their spirits while they endured dehumanising abuse as inmates.


I found it very disturbing .... and as it was only closed in 1964 couldn't believe that

those sort of things were still going on only 50 years ago, and not as would be

thought the middle ages . . . . .


So not much change in attitude there then?



posted on Feb, 13 2014 @ 12:42 PM
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Because this action reveals the hypocrisy of the Catholic Church

As I have pointed out three times, it would be hypocritical for the church to teach that sex outside of marriage is wrong, but to say that it is not wrong for this teacher to have sex outside of marriage, even though she agreed that she would not. That sort of double standard is the very definition of hypocrisy.


Not to mention how their action will encourage hundreds, if not thousands, of young Catholic girls to get abortions.

Since you are an advocate for abortion on demand, your feigned outrage is rather disingenuous.



posted on Feb, 13 2014 @ 12:44 PM
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windword
The issue is the hypocrisy of the Catholic Church.

No. The issue is that she was hired with her agreeing to a morality clause. She broke it.
So she broke the employment contract and got fired.
If she wanted to keep her job, she shouldn't have broken it.
Very simple.



posted on Feb, 13 2014 @ 12:46 PM
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Blah blah blah ...
Doesn't change the fact that she broke her contract and got fired for it. Period.



posted on Feb, 13 2014 @ 01:14 PM
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notice the male gets away scott free again


now them are fightin words! Also bringing feminist hypocrisy into the thread.since another member posted how a man got fire for getting his gf pregnant, but let the fly over the head)

Are you living in a world where women are screwed over in divorce settlement, child custody and child support.. oh wait thats men getting screwed over.

As always women gets off scott free.



posted on Feb, 13 2014 @ 01:19 PM
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And the firing of this woman was in line with Catholic teaching and laws.

Douay-Rheims Bible
But he said: Woe to you lawyers also, because you load men with burdens which they cannot bear, and you yourselves touch not the packs with one of your fingers.




Blah blah blah ...
Doesn't change the fact that she broke her contract and got fired for it. Period.



Thanks for making my point. Catholic hypocrisy at it finest!



edit on 13-2-2014 by windword because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 13 2014 @ 01:31 PM
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Since you are an advocate for abortion on demand, your feigned outrage is rather disingenuous.


You're so funny, the way you get all bent out of shape when people don't conform to the boxes that you confine them to, boxes that exist in your head and only in your head.

I advocate women's rights to reproductive choices and their right to dignity for exercising those rights.

I am against religious bullying, feigned righteousness, hypocrisy and religious excuses to discriminate.

If Catholics want to see the number of Catholic abortions drop, they need to stop disenfranchising women and start treating these women with more tolerance and respect.



posted on Feb, 13 2014 @ 01:32 PM
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windword
Thanks for making my point.

If you think that ... then you are a very confused person.

Catholic hypocrisy at it finest!

You have used that word a dozen times ... and yet, you are wrong each and every time you said it.

She agreed to work with a morals clause.
She broke the clause. She broke the contract.
She gets fired. It's her fault. Period. Case closed.



posted on Feb, 13 2014 @ 01:39 PM
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windword
I advocate women's rights to reproductive choices and their right to dignity for exercising those rights.

And no one at the school has stood in the way of this woman exercising her right to reproduce.
She can go reproduce to her hearts content ... but not at the school.

I am against religious bullying, feigned righteousness, hypocrisy and religious excuses to discriminate.

1 - She wasn't bullied.
2 - No one 'feigned righteousness'.
3 - There is no hypocrisy on the part of the church.
4 - There is no discrimination.

SHE AGREED to the parameters of the job. SHE AGREED to the morals clause.
SHE broke the clause. SHE DID IT. No one else. She knew what would happen but she did it anyways.
She has only herself to blame.

The only hypocrisy happening here are your statements. You claim to be for the rights of people ... and yet you want to take away the right of the school to run itself as it sees fit. The School has a constitutional right to run itself with a morals clause. Yet you want to take that right away from it. That's hypocrisy on your part ... fueled by anti-Catholic bigotry.



posted on Feb, 13 2014 @ 01:45 PM
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Again, this isn't about whether or not the school/church has the right to fire her. It's about the (unChristian) message it sends, that is contrary to their supposed pro-life message.

The message this action actually sends young Catholic women, is that getting an abortion is the easier way out. Not all young women are as strong as this women, and will look a this case as an excuse to quietly and privately opt for abortion.



posted on Feb, 13 2014 @ 01:57 PM
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If Catholics want to see the number of Catholic abortions drop, they need to stop disenfranchising women and start treating these women with more tolerance and respect.

The most effective way for Catholic abortions to stop is for people to start following church teaching and remain celibate until they are married, because, so far as I can tell, 100% of the women who kill their unborn child are pregnant with a child they don't want.



posted on Feb, 13 2014 @ 01:58 PM
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1 - She wasn't bullied.


All young Catholic women are victimized and threatened with alienation and public punishment, by this bullying action.


2 - No one 'C righteousness'.


Wrong! There is no shortage of feigned righteousness regarding this issue.

3 - There is no hypocrisy on the part of the church.

Wrong!


4 - There is no discrimination.


Wrong again.



posted on Feb, 13 2014 @ 02:11 PM
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The most effective way for Catholic abortions to stop is for people to start following church teaching and remain celibate until they are married, because, so far as I can tell, 100% of the women who kill their unborn child are pregnant with a child they don't want.


Dream on. A ridiculous number of Catholic women of childbearing age, married and unmarried, are violating Catholic teachings every day and using birth control. Many of them, according to pro-life dogma, by using IUD's, the Pill, NuvaRing, etc., are already guilty of abortion.

For the "church" to support the alienation and public punishment of this woman's choice to "get pregnant" is only making their demands of morality that much more unrealistic. They have set a precedent that for a young single woman, who finds herself pregnant and vulnerable, abortion is the easier way to deal with the problem.

Their action also sends home the message that (forbidden and sinful) birth control is imperative to avoid such a situation.

This decision by the church/school may be legal, but its outcome will absolutely encourage abortion and the use of birth control, contrary to church teaching.



posted on Feb, 13 2014 @ 02:13 PM
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windword
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Again, this isn't about whether or not the school/church has the right to fire her. It's about the (unChristian) message it sends, that is contrary to their supposed pro-life message.

The message this action actually sends young Catholic women, is that getting an abortion is the easier way out. Not all young women are as strong as this women, and will look a this case as an excuse to quietly and privately opt for abortion.






Did she violate the terms of her contract?



posted on Feb, 13 2014 @ 02:27 PM
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Dream on. A ridiculous number of Catholic women of childbearing age, married and unmarried, are violating Catholic teachings every day and using birth control.

Who cares? That is their choice, and no one is holding a gun to their head to force them to stay Catholic.

The church is not going to change its teaching to match what the secular progressive world offers -- generations living in broken homes, millions of unborn children killed, a pornographic society that has not merely lost its moral compass, it has pitched it on the dung heap and followed it right in. The church is, and will always be, a light against that darkness.

They do not teach, advocate or promote birth control or abortion, they advocate celibacy outside of marriage, and that's the only 100% effective, hormone free, murder free and natural way to prevent out of wedlock births.



posted on Feb, 13 2014 @ 02:55 PM
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windword
Again, this isn't about whether or not the school/church has the right to fire her.

Again ... yes it is.
She agreed to terms. She broke the terms. The church has the right to fire her. The end.

windword
All young Catholic women are victimized and threatened with alienation and public punishment, by this bullying action.

Again .. She agreed to terms. She broke the terms. She gets fired. The end.
That's not bullying anyone. That's just basic employment agreements and broken contracts.

Wrong!

No dude .. YOU are wrong. Your anti-Catholic bigotry has clouded your vision.
There is no discrimination. There is no bullying. And the only hypocrisy here is yours.



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