Another JPMorgan Banker Dies, 37 Year Old Executive Director Of Program Trading.

reply to post by Wookiep


So only people who agree with you are allowed to discuss it? I disagree with you. I don't think they are related. I think the financial industry is a fickle beast and people who work in it are under an undue amount of pressure.

Several of the suicides were WITNESSED! One of them even took enough time for the police to show up and try and talk him down...

reply to post by raymundoko


Do you honestly think bankers kill themselves with a nail gun shooting both the torso and head? Not one death is suspicious to you?

What are the statistics on people who committed suicide, who didn't have prior histories of depression, or were not going through life crisises?

What are the statistics of people who are murdered, and it is made to look like suicide, who didn't have prior histories of depression, or were not going through life crisises?

Getting onto the roof of a secured building, like I am sure the building this exec jump off, is extremely dificult.

They haven't even provided a cause of death, last I check of the guy in NY.

These people died in very suspicious circumstances.

reply to post by peashooter


No, the nail gun is def suspicious. I think Henry and Gabriel are unrelated suicides.

reply to post by poet1b


Are you serious with this crap?? Most suicides are unexpected and often not preceded by ANY warning signs.

www.health.harvard.edu...

“Many people who commit suicide do so without letting on they are thinking about it or planning it,” says Dr. Michael Miller, assistant professor of psychiatry at Harvard Medical School.

More than 100 Americans commit suicide every day. It’s the tenth leading cause of death overall; third among 15- to 24-year-olds and fourth among 25- to 44-year-olds.

many suicides are impulsive acts, with the decision to do it being made just minutes or hours before that act.

“Many people never let on what they are feeling or planning. The paradox is that the people who are most intent on committing suicide know that they have to keep their plans to themselves if they are to carry out the act,” says Dr. Miller. “Thus, the people most in need of help may be the toughest to save.”

Most people who commit suicide have been trying to do such a good job of hiding their troubles which is WHY THEY END UP COMMITTING SUICIDE!!! So you need to stop spouting your uneducated bull-crap about suicide. You've obviously never known or been close to someone who committed suicide. It ALWAYS comes as a shock. It isn't some emo teenager constantly talking about how he wants to off himself, It's the popular teen trying to please everyone. It isn't the loser in his mom's basement, it's the successful business man with a wife and 3 kids.

Edit: It took me a couple edits to get through this post. I had every dirty name in the book written for you because you know absolutely nothing about suicide. It's a subject close to the chest for me. So when I see business men jumping from a roof the first thing I think to myself is "If only he had talked to someone about what he was bottling up." I don't think "OMG! NOBODY EXPECTED IT!! MURDER BY NEFARIOUS FORCES!" Respect the dead you [snip]

reply to post by poet1b


I also don't know why you keep acting like it is so hard to get on the roof of a skyscraper...

www.dailymail.co.uk...
www.nydailynews.com...

Once you've worked in a building long enough and you want to get on the roof...you get on the f'ing roof. That's why the family is so mad...how come it was so easy for him to get on the roof. Even the police saw how easy it was to get on the roof which is why they didn't rule his death as suspicious.

Again, getting INTO the buildings is the hard part...not getting on the roof. If you really want to, you are going to. And there are no parapets like you think there are. Usually they are waist high max. The only time they have big walls or gates is if there is a high amount of tourist traffic. People used to jump of the empire state building all the time which is why the enclosed the observation deck.

reply to post by raymundoko


Your posting is crap. I get so tired of the nonsense. Read my post again, I noted those going throughout life crisis, which is what your link talks about.

You are not the only person with personal experiences.

Pretending that there is nothing suspicious about these deaths is just turning a blind eye in my opinion.

reply to post by raymundoko


So, by your links, you are suggesting that this JPM Tech VP scaled the outside of the building where he worked, assaulted the roof in order to jump off of the roof?

As they say, where there is a will, there is a way.

My experience is the opposite of yours. It is easy to get into a building. There are always lots of visitors, and in a building this large, there are probably multiple tenants, so anyone can wonder in off the streets and walk the halls. When it comes to corporate espionage, security and janitorial is the weakest part of the system, which is why corporation have secure areas within their office suites where only designated individuals can go.

Equipment rooms and electrical rooms are highly restricted, and roof tops are inevitably where lots of equipment are placed, or on the floors just below the roof. These areas are restricted for many reasons, the first being that they are dangerous places, the second because these are places where the building could be easily sabotaged.

Getting the roof might have been easy back in the day, but at this time, at least here on the west coast, insurance companies, which enforce the rules, make sure these doors are locked. Typically they can only be unlocked with a key, and in order to take the key back out of the lock, the door becomes locked again.

reply to post by poet1b


Funny you mention SoCal and Insurance. I actually work in SoCal in a high rise for one of the largest Insurance companies in the world...

I get on our rooftop regularly. I've even taken my kids on it (I've got the pics on InstaGram). However, if you don't have the right badges you aren't getting through the front door of the building, and absolutely not getting on an elevator or stairwell. I get it, you want to believe this was some impossible feat for him to accomplish, but the police saw that it was indeed very easy for him to gain access to the roof, so they ruled it a suicide. That is why the family is mad at JP Morgan. From their point of view it should have been impossible to gain access to the roof.

reply to post by raymundoko


So you walk up on the roof by yourself, unescorted, with you family?

If you claim so, I claim BS.

I don't believe you.

reply to post by poet1b


No, I've been with people, but I'm confident I could get there on my own if I wanted to.

raymundoko
reply to post by poet1b

 

Are you serious with this crap?? Most suicides are unexpected and often not preceded by ANY warning signs.

www.health.harvard.edu...

“Many people who commit suicide do so without letting on they are thinking about it or planning it,” says Dr. Michael Miller, assistant professor of psychiatry at Harvard Medical School.

More than 100 Americans commit suicide every day. It’s the tenth leading cause of death overall; third among 15- to 24-year-olds and fourth among 25- to 44-year-olds.

many suicides are impulsive acts, with the decision to do it being made just minutes or hours before that act.

“Many people never let on what they are feeling or planning. The paradox is that the people who are most intent on committing suicide know that they have to keep their plans to themselves if they are to carry out the act,” says Dr. Miller. “Thus, the people most in need of help may be the toughest to save.”

Most people who commit suicide have been trying to do such a good job of hiding their troubles which is WHY THEY END UP COMMITTING SUICIDE!!! So you need to stop spouting your uneducated bull-crap about suicide. You've obviously never known or been close to someone who committed suicide. It ALWAYS comes as a shock. It isn't some emo teenager constantly talking about how he wants to off himself, It's the popular teen trying to please everyone. It isn't the loser in his mom's basement, it's the successful business man with a wife and 3 kids.

Edit: It took me a couple edits to get through this post. I had every dirty name in the book written for you because you know absolutely nothing about suicide. It's a subject close to the chest for me. So when I see business men jumping from a roof the first thing I think to myself is "If only he had talked to someone about what he was bottling up." I don't think "OMG! NOBODY EXPECTED IT!! MURDER BY NEFARIOUS FORCES!" Respect the dead you [snip]

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You're really going to use a psychological study and personal experience (very sorry for that by the way) to explain away 8 banker 'suicides (one of which includes a freaking nail gun)?

I haven't read through the entire thread but I am wondering why you might be considering that this is just happenstance.

I concede...the banking word is going through hell right now and there is a lot of crap involved in the financial realm that places a lot of pressure on people. But...in dutiful fashion...are we more likely to use 'suicide studies' as more relevant basis for consideration than current events?

The U.K.'s Serious Fraud Office, which prosecutes complex cases of fraud, said Monday that it's started criminal proceedings against Peter Charles Johnson, Jonathan James Mathew and Stylianos Contogoulas in connection with manipulating the London interbank offered rate, or Libor.

All three have been charged with conspiring to defraud between June 2005 and August 2007.
Link

Have we forgotten that the Libor scandal is still ongoing, that JPMorgan is still going through a series of issues where they are settling billions of dollars (despite the fact that more than half of it can be written off as a tax break) and that there are still disclosures to be made to the public?

There might be other aspects to this situation that aren't completely understood...

Perhaps one of the best kept secrets, at least from the majority of the American public, is the integration and overlap between the “too-big-to-fail-and-jail” banks and the most advanced system of surveillance in the U.S. Would it surprise you to learn that the very banks that brought the United States to the brink of financial collapse in 2008, who looted the American public and continue to engage in what most perceive as criminal behavior in the financial venue not only have ties to the CIA, but are actually partnered with the CIA and NYPD surveillance of all of lower Manhattan? That’s right, the big banks such as JPMorgan, Citigroup and others have their own desks and surveillance monitors at a facility known as the Lower Manhattan Security Coordination Center, located at 55 Broadway, deep in the center of New York’s financial district.Link

Is it possible that you might not have seen all the way through the issue?

reply to post by MemoryShock


Again, there have been seven deaths. Two of them were witnessed as suicides, one was an evident suicide.

I'm saying those three were suicides....for people to claim they weren't is illogical as the physical and eye witness evidence clearly says they committed suicide.

Now go to town on the other 4.

reply to post by raymundoko


I have only read of one that was witnessed suicide, which was the most recent, in Asia. Heck, jumping may have been a way to save his family.

The other deaths are all very mysterious, two of them still unexplained, and one guy killing himself with a nail gun.

Here is a satellite image of Canary Wharf Tower where the VP of Tech jumped. You can count the floors, so he must have jumped from the highest roof with all the HVAC equipment, down to the large flat roof below. The roof probably has a very high parapet wall around it so that you can't see the equipment, which doesn't have ladders so people can climb over the edge.

maps.google.com...

This is as suspicious as it gets. Believe what you want.

I wonder how many of these guys shared a slice of responsibility for the same area.

raymundoko
reply to post by MemoryShock

 

Again, there have been seven deaths. Two of them were witnessed as suicides, one was an evident suicide.

I'm saying those three were suicides....for people to claim they weren't is illogical as the physical and eye witness evidence clearly says they committed suicide.

Now go to town on the other 4.

Eight. The eighth name in my previous link listed a missing person but this link shows the eighth.

Now...when you say 'witnessed', what does that mean? That people specifically saw the individual jump or otherwise end it and that they were in a position to try and stop it but couldn't? Or that there were individuals who all of a sudden saw a a figure in the air? I don't think, unless there is substantial evidence to suggest that witnesses were in the same room that we can trust witness accounts here...so I call bunk on that train of thought even without suggesting that there is likely no way that we can ascertain the motives that led to the decision of suicide.

I don't think it is illogical to claim the possibility that it wasn't suicide...and one of the things that has been bugging me about these 'suicides' is that they sound jumped from a tall building...much like Frank Olson who jumped out of a building after he was drugged by the CIA. Olson happened to be a bioweapons expert and involved to some degree with the MK-ULTRA experiments.

Nearly 60 years after the death of a government scientist who had been given '___' by the Central Intelligence Agency without his knowledge, his family says it plans to sue the government, alleging that he was murdered and did not commit suicide as the C.I.A. has long maintained.
Link

Note - the circumstances weren't the reason for the dismissal of the lawsuit rather it was dismissed because of stuate of limitations and prior settlements reached.

Now I am not saying that the banker 'suicides' are resultant of mind control experiments but it is reminiscent of that, in my opinion, and the banking industry is still going through a very major LIBOR scandal...with a few more people being arrested in relation to said scandal just the other day Link.

There is a lot of crap going on and saying that three out of eight bankers who suicided within two weeks were genuine is lazy thinking.

Trying to ascertain the reasons for it is admittedly a clusterfark of supposition...but I am quite sure that a scandal involving billions if trillions of dollars because of international interest rate manipulations is not something that is going to be discovered and all involved are going to sit down with their hands out like they were caught with their hand in the cookie jar...especially when HSBC has more or less been given a mild hand slap on their association with Mexican Drug Cartels and JP Morgan agreed to be fined the total of their tax payer/government subsidies for screwing over homeoweners...along with many other recent revelations of banking foreclosing illegally on homes.

By the way...did you know that JP Morgan is now in the business of death derivatives?

According to information available at the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office, JPMorgan created the LifeMetrics Index in March 2007 as an “international index designed to benchmark and trade longevity risk.” The index was said to enable pension plans to hedge the risk of payments to retirees and incorporated “historical and current statistics on mortality rates and life expectancy, across genders, ages, and nationalities.” From 2010 through 2013, JPMorgan has received patent approval on four longevity related patents.

Reuters reported on August 26, 2013 that the long-term longevity bets taken on by the big banks have now started to cause pain as international capital rules known as Basel III require more capital to be set aside for longer-dated positions. The article noted that “JPMorgan likely has the biggest holdings of long-dated swaps because it is the biggest swaps trader on Wall Street, responsible for about 30 percent of the market by some measures, traders at rival firms said.”
Link

When they start hedging bets on life expectancy and are the only ones who know about it...what is to stop them from making sure that they win that bet?

reply to post by MemoryShock


Yes, actually witnessed. The police even attempted to talk one guy down.

reply to post by MemoryShock


So i was finally able to read your entire post...

Death Derivatives? Are you serious? You just took an actual NEEDED financial program due to how well humans are doing and turned it into a plan to kill people...

A longevity swap has to do with Pension Plans. Let's take LA City Fire for example. They have to plan how long they are going to pay out those pension plans. So lets say they did that stats back in the 60's when they started the plan and determined that the average age a firefighter in LA City died was 71. They determine how it has to be vested, how it has to be paid out, how much they can pay out etc. So a firefighter who pays into it for 30 years get's almost a full paycheck until he dies. That was all fine and dandy. But now with modern medicine to help with all the body damage a FF goes through they are living to a ripe old age of 85...

Guess what, that Pension plan is going to go broke. So they create insurance policies to cover when someone is beyond the age they anticipated someone would live based on old data. So If FF001 lives past 72 the insurance policy kicks in to cover that guy until he dies. This is to prevent Pension funds from going broke.

Some Pension funds were structured better than others, so that becomes an asset. Lots of insurance money being paid in, little being paid out.

So now lets say CompanyA manages the insurance for FF Pension Fund, which is poorly structured, but also manages insurance for several well structured ones. They may not have the assets to cover the FF Pension Fund, so they bundle it with some good assets to offload it to a company who may take the risk in order to get the good assets.

That is where the Longevity Swaps are coming into play. It isn't some scheme to hedge when people are going to die and then kill them if they don't die on time. It is just how insurance works.

raymundoko
reply to post by MemoryShock

 

Yes, actually witnessed. The police even attempted to talk one guy down.

I expect sources and more than just an, "Uh-huh"...no offense.

I have no real opinion on the rest of your post as I think that presenting an abstract scenario to account for the movement of billions of dollars between two huge industries (Insurance/banking) is kind of silly.

reply to post by MemoryShock


They were linked in this thread....

reply to post by MemoryShock


And also, even if they weren't linked already in this thread, you kind of proved that you are involving yourself in a debate you haven't even read everything on. Chances are you listened to a podcast about how these were all mysterious deaths and you didn't actually do any research on your own.

I mean, it's obvious why Poet1b want's these to be nefarious murders. He is extremely anti capitalist based on other posts of his. He wants to believe that all corporations are inherently evil to the point that they will kill whoever they want at will. You just seem like you haven't fully researched it yet.