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Lucid Lunacy
reply to post by DeadSeraph
Then I would say respect that religious minds are changed via that questioning.
If the religious are upset by the decline of religious followers and subsequently religious values in society, join in ranks and muster a strong compelling argument to bring them back.
Honestly. I am strongly anti-religious yet I fully completely utterly support the notion of the religious presenting their best case. I don't want you wiped out. I want everyone to have a say. May the best argument win.edit on 12-2-2014 by Lucid Lunacy because: (no reason given)
for a conservative society to start accepting and celebrating what was once shunned, takes decades... Like boiling a frog slowly. The water used to be cool... Over time it gets warmer and the frog gets used to it and so it continues to think ''warm'' is normal and acceptable. The media is just one or two fingers on the hand that controls society. There are other aspects, but I'd say the media is the biggest influence.
@ NoRulesAllowed....The OP is thinking that moral values are "programmed into society" by media.
While it is true that social values and "morale" are programmed, I really do NOT think that it happens through conditioning and programming by the media..or at least not to the extent the OP believes.
Again, the word ''Progressive'' is a media label associated with accepting homosexuality as normal. It is not an objective pov, rather part of the colorful language used to promote such ideas. Progressive can also mean striving to tackle real issues such as poverty... But the media and the powers that control it don't consider poverty as an issue worthy of resolving. The message I'm getting from so called ''progressives'' is that the gays 'human' right to parade and marry is far far more important than the poors human right to food, shelter and clothing.
I could call myself extremely liberal and progressive.
Like I said, media is one instrument that shapes popular opinion. A pro-gay media broadcast to a population thats already junked religion creates fertile grounds for people to automatically accept the ideas projected on to the public. If not you, then the media did its thing with those around you, and the society around them. A person will accept ''X'' as normal, when everybody else around him treat ''X'' as normal, because the media established and drove home the idea that ''X'' is normal.
My liberal stance on homosexuality, gender equality etc. comes NOT EVEN REMOTELY from watching MTV or whatever shows on TV and I do not think that "media" had any big influence on my beliefs whatsoever.
What I believe in and consider values comes mostly from my parents...
Gryphon66
Skorpion:
Who, or what group, are you hypothesizing is wielding these manipulative powers to transform society?
TruthxIsxInxThexMist:
Don't use the PC nonsense as an excuse. Say what you want to say, and let the truth fall out, as the song says. No one is keeping you from saying anything, of speaking your mind. Just state what the problem is.
There is nothing wrong with ''progressive'' as long as its used objectively, for example the US made progress when they sent a rover to Mars.. or eradicated a disease. To use ''progressive'' to a subjective, heavily debated issue such as accepting homosexuality is NOT objective. As for ''research'' into homosexuality, its a fairly recent thing...within the time frame as when homosexuality started to be accepted as normal.
Gryphon66
There is nothing wrong with the word progressive.
There is nothing wrong with homosexuality.
Study upon study has demonstrated that homosexuality is a normal part of
you didn't ''refute'' anything. I've already posted about how Joe Biden, a high ranking political figure let the cat out of the bag by admitting the mass media played a role in shaping peoplew perceptions on homosexuality. Look it up.
for the sake of argument here, I refute that there is an organized long-term effort on the part of any hidden nefarious group or groups to change our social perceptions. What proof do you have otherwise, Skorpion?
Comments like these simply prove and reinforce my point that the masses can only parrot what they have been programmed to parrot...and accept as ''normal''.
[Gryphon66...There's nothing to debate or accept: homosexuals [sic] are people too.
They are citizens and enjoy all the rights and protections of citizenship.
It really doesn't matter what you, or your religion, or anybody's religion believes.
I don't recall pointing to any particular group. You might notice I ended my Op with a few open questions for participants. I provided evidence that its been admitted that the mass media has shaped peoples perception.(which you shied away from addressing.) But I guess some people here are in a hurry to declare 'victory' by claiming ''refutation''.
Provide some direct evidence for the group or groups you claim are acting unitarily .... what specific group or individuals are behind the nefarious plot you believe is being enacted in the US?
You made the claim, you provide the evidence.
Comments like these simply prove and reinforce my point that the masses can only parrot what they have been programmed to parrot...and accept as ''normal''.
[Gryphon66...There's nothing to debate or accept: homosexuals [sic] are people too.
They are citizens and enjoy all the rights and protections of citizenship.
It really doesn't matter what you, or your religion, or anybody's religion believes.
I don't recall pointing to any particular group. You might notice I ended my Op with a few open questions for participants. I provided evidence that its been admitted that the mass media has shaped peoples perception.(which you shied away from addressing.) But I guess some people here are in a hurry to declare 'victory' by claiming ''refutation''.
Provide some direct evidence for the group or groups you claim are acting unitarily .... what specific group or individuals are behind the nefarious plot you believe is being enacted in the US?
You made the claim, you provide the evidence.
Social programming + the collapse of religion and values.
sk0rpi0n
Comments like these simply prove and reinforce my point that the masses can only parrot what they have been programmed to parrot...and accept as ''normal''.
Gryphon66
I take exception to being called a parrot because you disagree with me. You have your opinion, I have the facts.
DexteramLucifer
reply to post by ketsuko
That's where you're wrong. I don't have faith, that is for the weak minded and for those who haven't the will to stand by themselves. It all boils down to this, You christians are just pissed off because you're losing the strangle hold you once held on society as a lot of the populace has finally mustered up enough courage to tell you guys to kick rocks. And a lot of the people seen to be "losing their minds all of a sudden" which is used as one example of the backslide of society is nothing more then a fragile mind breaking after for so long trying to fit in to a society they never wanted nor asked for and constantly being told that if they'd just believe a little harder life would be easier. It's just a damn shame it took them going all übergeschnappt for some attention to be payed, and even then it's usually never good as their "break" is usually blamed on demon possession or some other nonsense.
edit on 13-2-2014 by DexteramLucifer because: changed a few words
I should probably call myself a compassionate infrastructural anarchist .