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Social programming + the collapse of religion and values.

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posted on Feb, 14 2014 @ 03:45 AM
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The sexual act does not end between the sheets. That is only the beginning. Sex CREATES us, it grows into our being and we become, as persons, what we have created through sex. Wholesome sex creates a wholesome person. Perverse sex perverts the person. Perversion becomes more perversion.




posted on Feb, 14 2014 @ 03:47 AM
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The line exists and the real question is where to draw it.

Consenting adults.


You are saying that people who draw lines should not speak out. You think it is not acceptable for me to warn that gays may be doing harm to themselves?

Where did I say you shouldn't speak your mind?


Moral values are no longer politically correct?

You suggested certain sexual activities were depraved but didn't present an argument as to why. How it reads to me is that you just don't like the idea of it. If you want to warn people of this alleged harm perhaps you can illustrate your point better.


Wholesome sex creates a wholesome person. Perverse sex perverts the person.

Describe what wholesome means in this context.

I just don't understand.

I see nothing immoral with granting consenting adults the freedom to express themselves sexually with each other how they desire to.
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posted on Feb, 14 2014 @ 03:47 AM
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So...you read your Quaran...and others read the Bible (or the Holy Book of whoever), go to church or get "taught" morale values in school or in church or your mosque...and you DO NOT see this as the prime example of social programming?? Seriously?


I never denied that religon influences people. I said so in a previous post.
The difference is that religion is a whole lot more straightforward. We have our books, we have our scholars and we can trace our beliefs back to our prophets and ultimately God. That is where we get our understanding of human existence and spirituality. It extends into the way we live our lives through marraige and family.

Mass media and the stuff you see on your TV screen and theatres? That is the handiwork of unknown entities whos moral standards are unknown. They are intolerant of religion, while programming societies into thinking certain behaviours and acts are normal and acceptable. To blindly accept what they project on to you would be like taking candy from a stranger. Sure its sweet and tasty, but who knows whats really in it.



posted on Feb, 14 2014 @ 03:52 AM
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"So its also an issue when non-religious powers enroach on traditional definitions of marraige and family…"


Marriage has been undergoing changes for a while now.

Of course. Thats what I have pointed out in the OP.
These changes are not the result of people waking up and making the changes themselves. They have been engineered/designed/watever. The masses blindly accept it without stopping to ask "who or what is behind the changes"...

or

they parrot the programmed line of thought, "these changes are good because its progressive" and other similar jargon with a civil rights flavor. The proof is in this thead.



posted on Feb, 14 2014 @ 03:57 AM
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….getting to the heart of it.

Belief in gender equality and equality among the orientations is not something people genuinely believe.

This is your thesis, yes?


The proof is in this thread.

We call this confirmation bias.
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posted on Feb, 14 2014 @ 03:59 AM
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sk0rpi0n

Lucid Lunacy....So is this same mysterious nefarious force working the media of Belgium as well? Same-sex marriage is lawful there. Were all of them brainwashed as well?

I am not familiar with the situation in Beligium, but I suspect Beligians christian heritage was first trashed, and opened the door for gays to go out and demand their ''rights''. Which is what happened to the US as well.


I am American and live in the UK. I have also lived in Belgium. As such, I can tell you. Their largest pulpits are the same - mass media (largely American) and mandatory education with textbooks produced by the same companies.

My analogy for anyone is this: a hypnotist can get a volunteer to perceive a fully clothed audience as naked. How? By placing the suggestion that the audience is naked, straight into the mind. As such, the volunteer has physical eyes but he is no longer seeing through them clearly. His reality and perception is altered by the content placed into the mind

A key indication of indoctrination and propaganda is repetition.
It's hypnotism, laying repeated suggestions into the mind which then will have the same exact effect as above - changing the perception. Kids know that a bump in a mum's belly is a baby. Threaten to cut it up and you'll traumatise the child. But something happens as that child grows up today. He hears endlessly that an unborn baby is not really a baby, is not life, is a parasite, and is just a clump of cells. Voila, just as the hypnotist above, that child becomes an adult and can no longer see the baby as a baby. He sees no higher than the words given to him. He has lost reality and sight and has been blinded by the words of men who came as thieves. He does not see that the baby never changed...and thus never concludes correctly that what actually changed was his perception. When Jesus placed the mud on the eyes, what was He doing? When Jesus reprimanded Peter as Satan, why? Because he had on his mind the things of men. Peter did not understand what was to happen because his mind was filled with the words of men.

Why did Hitler give free radios to every family in Germany? Why was communications department called the Ministry of Propaganda and Indoctrination? Why did they buy up the newspapers and produce films for national distribution?

Mass media is the world's largest pulpit. Does it preach Christ? No. So what does it preach? Let's examine the fruit ripening in our lands - death, wars, hatred, millions of killed babies, mass divorce, sexual perversions, pornography, drugs, mega prisons, addicts, tapes, child molestation.....and yet, the people on this board proudly proclaim that man is evolving, progressing and finally dumping the 'repressive' sky god of the Bible. Such a disconnect. Its the thief which comes to steal, kill and destroy and its Our Creator who brings life. In which case, clearly the perception has been altered and turned upside down.

How can anyone stand up and actually proclaim that we are any of those things? Because like the hypnotised volunteer, most cannot see the reality. They see what has been placed in the mind. Try having a discussion with the hypnotised man. He will swear to you that the audience is naked. And so will the masses sitting in the western world - they will swear that we have progressed. Why? They are under a Hypnotists magic. They cannot see past his words "you are evolving and progressing by shaking off Christ". They cannot see past the false images that have been created for them to buy. And lastly, they do not want to let go of Hypnotists words because it's those words which justify what it is that they love to do. It has given them justification to kill their unborn for example, which would be impossible if they saw the truth - a baby. So, they remain in the darkness because their deeds are evil and will not step into the light for fear that their deeds will be exposed

And I write these words from experience. I write these words to shame no one. I write these words to expose the difference between the kingdom of darkness and the Kingdom of God. The content of our mind affects our physical vision and hearing. It affects our entire life. He who you allow to give you words and images is he who is your god. It's he who controls you. It's he who masters you. It's he who defines words for you. It's he who defines what is good and evil. Just as in the days of Noah, we have bought and sold lies for truths and as such we have no understanding of our true condition. How can we when we'd rather believe Obama when he tells us "abortion is a good thing" instead of God who declares children as His blessing? One allows you to pursue sex for pleasure and abort the baby and the other makes you accountable for the murder which you are contemplating. To a fallen nation, the former is welcomed and the latter is rejected. So be it. A complete rejection of what God is accomplishing in some men - man in His Image and in His Likeness - in Christ.



posted on Feb, 14 2014 @ 04:05 AM
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My original post:

sk0rpi0n said:
When you take religion out of the picture, something else takes its position over and sells strange ideas such as gay marraige candy coated with flowery jargon and civil rights flavored language like ''equality'' , ''progressiveness'' etc. It also influences people to view generations old religious traditions as ''bigoted''.



sk0rpi0n:When you take religion out of the picture, something else takes its position

Secular humanism. It's a wonderful thing.

Thats a catchy slogan... no more truthful than "KFC. Its finger lickin' good(TM)"
That "something else" that replaced religion happens to be a faceless unelected entity behind the media that has succesfully convinced Americans to junk traditional values, adopt a new way of life and like it.


sk0rpi0n : civil rights flavored language like ''equality''

Equality might not be important to you but it's supposed to be important to America.

My point was that false ideals and values were sold to you, candy coated with flowery jargon like "equality". Many believe its "equality" because thats exactly what the media fed them in the first place. They cannot think beyond that.
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posted on Feb, 14 2014 @ 04:15 AM
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Mass media is the world's largest pulpit. Does it preach Christ? No. So what does it preach? Let's examine the fruit ripening in our lands - death, wars, hatred, millions of killed babies, mass divorce, sexual perversions, pornography, drugs, mega prisons, addicts, tapes, child molestation.....and yet, the people on this board proudly proclaim that man is evolving, progressing and finally dumping the 'repressive' sky god of the Bible. Such a disconnect.

Speaking of disconnect.

That god of the Bible massacred babies via a global flood. When that same god obliterated two major cities with fire and brimstone, babies and children were senselessly killed. Or were those babies "exceedingly wicked"? Child molestation? In that same fictional account Lot offered his young daughters to be gang raped in place of the disguised angels. And that wasn't considered wrong.

You need to make a strong disconnect from reality to ignore the grave moral atrocities therein.

I'm not inviting a biblical debate here. Honestly I already read from the Bible so I don't need a preacher. In fact, it's because I read the material I know how horrible it is.



posted on Feb, 14 2014 @ 04:17 AM
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And now you're insinuating we shouldn't have freedom of speech. You have very little grasp of what American values traditionally looks like. I really don't think you're qualified to inform us of them.


"Freedom of speech" does not really mean what you want it to mean.

You apply it to certain institutions and individuals. In reality, that freedom IS governed within the higher and unwritten laws of respect and decency. It varies around the world. But some people are more inclined to stress on respect and decorum more than others.



posted on Feb, 14 2014 @ 04:18 AM
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Wholesome sex is two people fully clothed, no enjoyment whatsoever with the lights off sleeping in different rooms or separate beds

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posted on Feb, 14 2014 @ 04:23 AM
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Lucid Lunacy
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….getting to the heart of it.

Belief in gender equality and equality among the orientations is not something people genuinely believe.

This is your thesis, yes?


The proof is in this thread.

We call this confirmation bias.
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Wait a minute and back up.
Who taught you that "sexual orientation" is equivalent to race or gender?
Who taught you that "sexual orientation" is anything other than sexual desire masquerading as an equality issue?
Who taught you to overlook the fact that once sexual desire can be masqueraded as an orientation, that it then falls under law? We clearly see pedophilia and pederasty now heading in the same direction using the same arguments.

And why?
Who has a motive to redefine sexual desire as something equivalent to race and gender?
Which religions, throughout all the ancient world and more recent times, preached temple prostitution, pederasty and sex as spirituality in their religions?

Do you not see that what is coming back are those very religions? This has nothing to do with secularism, humanism or equality. It's rewriting the religion of the nations.

A few days on google reading about these religions will show anyone what is happening.

Go back to the superbowl halftime show.
Little children singing "when I close my eyes..."
And two bands launching into songs about sex magick, being born again through sex, pederasty, swimming in the waters of the vagina, and passing it on to your mama, papa, sisters and brothers.

And yet the people applauded....eyes to see and ears to hear yet they neither see nor hear. Madonna even told you last year that the super bowl was anerica's "holy of Holies".

We are truly overcome if these words do not shake at least one person out of their slumber.



posted on Feb, 14 2014 @ 04:23 AM
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My point was that false ideals and values were sold to you, candy coated with flowery jargon like "equality". Many believe its "equality" because thats exactly what the media fed them in the first place. They cannot think beyond that.

So you're saying we believe in the wrong version of equality.

Okay.

Describe the correct version of what equality means and what it should look like. Please include gender equality since that's pertinent to what we had discussed.

Help us unlearn our brainwashing.



posted on Feb, 14 2014 @ 04:31 AM
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In reality, that freedom IS governed within the higher and unwritten laws of respect and decency.

Higher? So this unwritten law trumps the written one. How is that you supporting traditional American values.

Now as for respect. All within reason. If we take that to the extreme and never ridicule a silly idea we are creating a very unhealthy discourse. But this is precisely the religious attitude I talked about on page 1. The religious are very opposed to having their faith questioned. When we do you go so far as to suggest we shouldn't even have the freedom to! It's quite telling.



posted on Feb, 14 2014 @ 04:35 AM
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Lucid Lunacy
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Mass media is the world's largest pulpit. Does it preach Christ? No. So what does it preach? Let's examine the fruit ripening in our lands - death, wars, hatred, millions of killed babies, mass divorce, sexual perversions, pornography, drugs, mega prisons, addicts, tapes, child molestation.....and yet, the people on this board proudly proclaim that man is evolving, progressing and finally dumping the 'repressive' sky god of the Bible. Such a disconnect.

Speaking of disconnect.

That god of the Bible massacred babies via a global flood. When that same god obliterated two major cities with fire and brimstone, babies and children were senselessly killed. Or were those babies "exceedingly wicked"? Child molestation? In that same fictional account Lot offered his young daughters to be gang raped in place of the disguised angels. And that wasn't considered wrong.

You need to make a strong disconnect from reality to ignore the grave moral atrocities therein.

I'm not inviting a biblical debate here. Honestly I already read from the Bible so I don't need a preacher. In fact, it's because I read the material I know how horrible it is.


And your comments go right to my point, seeing based upon what is in your mind.

The very same who would put it into your mind that "God killed everyone in the flood" never ever point out one thing to you....that fish arose. The first occurrence of fish is after the flood. By believing them, you cannot "see" beyond it. You cannot "see" what is in scripture plain as day.

What were those fish? Did not Jesus Christ choose fishermen as His disciples? Does He not cast nets into the sea?



posted on Feb, 14 2014 @ 04:45 AM
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Like that is a great excuse for killing millions of babies whom could have been great decent people but because your version of God did it it's fine and dandy.
If you follow a religion you are far from God because you are just following another mans idea of her, you blindly accept it as the truth and to be honest it is lazy of you for just accepting it.
Religion did not give us morals or values they were already in us.
God would have never invented religion...only men who wish to control others and the evidence is in the Bible in the second book of it it tells you that you have to give money to the priests and clergy or you goto hell and idiots can not see through this?.
Good job people are being educated and actually finding God for themselves and not being brainwashed into lies.


Also are you saying that there was no fish before the flood? well I can prove that wrong and If you really believe that there is nop hope for you..I just hope you never teach kids this garbage because it would be abuse.
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posted on Feb, 14 2014 @ 04:46 AM
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Who taught you to overlook the fact that once sexual desire can be masqueraded as an orientation, that it then falls under law? We clearly see pedophilia and pederasty now heading in the same direction using the same arguments.

Using what argument? What do you think the argument even is? Because if you actually understood it you would know pedophilia and sexual slavery couldn't be included in it.

As for "sexual orientation" and "masquerading" and who taught me.

The professional health organizations recognize it as a legitimate sexual orientation. Like heterosexuality, they recognize it as having little to zero choice. That has a lot more weight than some random bible thumper claiming he knows what's what. The biggest evidence though is more obvious. Millions of gay people describing it. They describe what the heterosexuals do. So I did the math. Now what's your reason. Who taught you?


Who taught you that "sexual orientation" is equivalent to race or gender?

Equivalent? Don't put words in my mouth. Sexual orientations are similar to race and gender in that choice in the matter is absent.



posted on Feb, 14 2014 @ 04:56 AM
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Year1

Lucid Lunacy
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Mass media is the world's largest pulpit. Does it preach Christ? No. So what does it preach? Let's examine the fruit ripening in our lands - death, wars, hatred, millions of killed babies, mass divorce, sexual perversions, pornography, drugs, mega prisons, addicts, tapes, child molestation.....and yet, the people on this board proudly proclaim that man is evolving, progressing and finally dumping the 'repressive' sky god of the Bible. Such a disconnect.

Speaking of disconnect.

That god of the Bible massacred babies via a global flood. When that same god obliterated two major cities with fire and brimstone, babies and children were senselessly killed. Or were those babies "exceedingly wicked"? Child molestation? In that same fictional account Lot offered his young daughters to be gang raped in place of the disguised angels. And that wasn't considered wrong.

You need to make a strong disconnect from reality to ignore the grave moral atrocities therein.

I'm not inviting a biblical debate here. Honestly I already read from the Bible so I don't need a preacher. In fact, it's because I read the material I know how horrible it is.


And your comments go right to my point, seeing based upon what is in your mind.

The very same who would put it into your mind that "God killed everyone in the flood" never ever point out one thing to you....that fish arose. The first occurrence of fish is after the flood. By believing them, you cannot "see" beyond it. You cannot "see" what is in scripture plain as day.

What were those fish? Did not Jesus Christ choose fishermen as His disciples? Does He not cast nets into the sea?



hang on are you saying there where no fish before the flood?

what about:
Genesis 1 (King James Version)
20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.

21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.



posted on Feb, 14 2014 @ 04:57 AM
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Year1

Lucid Lunacy
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Mass media is the world's largest pulpit. Does it preach Christ? No. So what does it preach? Let's examine the fruit ripening in our lands - death, wars, hatred, millions of killed babies, mass divorce, sexual perversions, pornography, drugs, mega prisons, addicts, tapes, child molestation.....and yet, the people on this board proudly proclaim that man is evolving, progressing and finally dumping the 'repressive' sky god of the Bible. Such a disconnect.

Speaking of disconnect.

That god of the Bible massacred babies via a global flood. When that same god obliterated two major cities with fire and brimstone, babies and children were senselessly killed. Or were those babies "exceedingly wicked"? Child molestation? In that same fictional account Lot offered his young daughters to be gang raped in place of the disguised angels. And that wasn't considered wrong.

You need to make a strong disconnect from reality to ignore the grave moral atrocities therein.

I'm not inviting a biblical debate here. Honestly I already read from the Bible so I don't need a preacher. In fact, it's because I read the material I know how horrible it is.


And your comments go right to my point, seeing based upon what is in your mind.

The very same who would put it into your mind that "God killed everyone in the flood" never ever point out one thing to you....that fish arose. The first occurrence of fish is after the flood. By believing them, you cannot "see" beyond it. You cannot "see" what is in scripture plain as day.

What were those fish? Did not Jesus Christ choose fishermen as His disciples? Does He not cast nets into the sea?



But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition.

There are only two options to you. One, continue believing that your Creator is evil by holding the endlessly repeated excuse "the grave moral atrocities therein", or realise that that excuse is a filter on your mind so that you perceive your Creator as such. Is the lie more appealing to you, or the truth of the matter?



posted on Feb, 14 2014 @ 05:04 AM
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Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil;
Who put darkness for light, and light for darkness;
Who put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!



posted on Feb, 14 2014 @ 05:13 AM
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racasan

Year1

Lucid Lunacy
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Mass media is the world's largest pulpit. Does it preach Christ? No. So what does it preach? Let's examine the fruit ripening in our lands - death, wars, hatred, millions of killed babies, mass divorce, sexual perversions, pornography, drugs, mega prisons, addicts, tapes, child molestation.....and yet, the people on this board proudly proclaim that man is evolving, progressing and finally dumping the 'repressive' sky god of the Bible. Such a disconnect.

Speaking of disconnect.

That god of the Bible massacred babies via a global flood. When that same god obliterated two major cities with fire and brimstone, babies and children were senselessly killed. Or were those babies "exceedingly wicked"? Child molestation? In that same fictional account Lot offered his young daughters to be gang raped in place of the disguised angels. And that wasn't considered wrong.

You need to make a strong disconnect from reality to ignore the grave moral atrocities therein.

I'm not inviting a biblical debate here. Honestly I already read from the Bible so I don't need a preacher. In fact, it's because I read the material I know how horrible it is.


And your comments go right to my point, seeing based upon what is in your mind.

The very same who would put it into your mind that "God killed everyone in the flood" never ever point out one thing to you....that fish arose. The first occurrence of fish is after the flood. By believing them, you cannot "see" beyond it. You cannot "see" what is in scripture plain as day.

What were those fish? Did not Jesus Christ choose fishermen as His disciples? Does He not cast nets into the sea?



hang on are you saying there where no fish before the flood?

what about:
Genesis 1 (King James Version)
20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.

21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.


Correct. Look at the Hebrew.
Fisher of men. Who do you think the fish are?
Fish are in seas. What are seas? What is salt water what is fresh water?. By water the earth was created out of water and by water... Jesus Christ is the Word...through which all things are created...
Why does the serpents flood come from its mouth? What does a mouth do? Speaks, no? Doctrines, dogmas, philosophies...where are they all stored? In our minds.

Look, I know that I cannot sway you. All that I can do is ask you to think about this.



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