The United States Is the Chief Facilitator of Christian Persecution

BenReclused
reply to post by AfterInfinity

 

A Christian is complaining about Christian persecution. Therefore, I'm using the term "plaintiff" because a case has been made in accusation.

Though that may be true, the "plaintiff" wasn't mentioned in the title.

And I'm done with this back-and-forth between you and I. It's boring and pointless.

If you feel that I care, you are mistaken.

See ya,
Milt

Then you won't mind if I ignore you from now on. I'd forgotten that I was supposed to be doing that anyway. These are silly games and pointless arguments that I suspect aren't intended to be at all constructive or productive. I would also ask that you refrain from directly addressing or referring to me in the future.

reply to post by boymonkey74

Religion deserves ridicule

Religion isn't any more deserving of that, than atheism is.

not sure how I intimidate over the net though

Ridicule IS a form of intimidation.

See ya,
Milt

Anyway, I'm out. Next time, make sure it's a wolf before you start raising the alarm. I don't see America persecuting Christians anywhere.

I found this thread very disturbing. The content of the OP is disturbing enough, but the reaction by the usual suspects was even more disturbing. I'm sure most of the 1st page all stars have since moved on to troll other threads for ego boosts, so my words are probably futile anyways, but I felt the need to say something.

Is ATS just sick? Or is it a microcosm for the state of the world? I'm shocked and appalled that people could so blindly disregard the wholesale slaughter of their fellow human beings (some of you even celebrate it because you hate Christianity that much). There is something deeply wrong with you if you can condone the slaughter of a group of people because they don't share your personal beliefs. I don't agree with muslims and I find the extremists to be appalling, but I find the daily bombings of muslim people inexcusable. I stood up against the invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq, and I stand vocally against the slaughter in Syria (or anywhere). Innocent muslims deserve to live in peace just as much as anyone else, whether they share my faith or not.

How can some of you be so cold and callous? Simply because they are christians? A member here made an excellent point earlier in the thread:

ketsuko

There is a problem with this line of reasoning. Let me illustrate ...



"I don't see a problem here. If an African-American chooses to advertise his ethnicity in an area that is vehemently against [African-Americans, then he deserves everything that he gets."

Don't like that one? Well let's try this one for something closer to fit ...


"I don't see a problem here. If a homosexual chooses to advertise his homosexuality in an area that is vehemently against homosexuality, then he deserves everything that he gets."

You can see maybe why your thoughts expose you? Aim them at any one of the big victim classes in American society and you would likely not have written what you just wrote.

Some of you people need to take a long hard look in the mirror. Your blind hatred of a religion because of it's perceived intolerance has most of you spewing not only intolerance, but condoning murder and torture. Quite frankly, it's disgusting.

reply to post by AfterInfinity


If we knew the answer to that, we wouldn't be here obviously. But what should we do in your opinion? Just turn a blind eye to it? Is that what we should have done every time someone was/is being persecuted? Is that what you're saying? Because it sounds like it.

"Everyone has been persecuted since the age of man", and that makes it OK?

reply to post by AfterInfinity

I don't hate Christianity.

Many of your posts indicate otherwise.

I still don't see how America is responsible for any religious persecution in the Middle East.

That's because you haven't bothered to read the sources posted in the OP. They tend to "lay it out", pretty well.

They've been having those problems for longer than we've been a country.

I don't disagree with that, but our meddling in their affairs, seems to have, only, increased the extent of those problems.

By the way, this isn't about me, so you can stop your snide jabs.

That wasn't a "snide jab". It was a heartfelt observation.

See ya,
Milt

reply to post by AfterInfinity

Do you have a point to make here or what?

Yep! You have a propensity for posting meaningless comments.

See ya,
Milt

reply to post by AfterInfinity

Then you won't mind if I ignore you from now on.

Nope! I wouldn't mind that, at all.

I would also ask that you refrain from directly addressing or referring to me in the future.

I consider all posts to be "fair game", so don't get your hopes up.

See ya,
Milt

reply to post by AfterInfinity

I don't see America persecuting Christians anywhere.

Nobody, in this thread, has accused America of "persecuting Christians", so I don't know where you got that idea from. Would you care to enlighten us?

See ya,
Milt

AfterInfinity
Anyway, I'm out. Next time, make sure it's a wolf before you start raising the alarm. I don't see America persecuting Christians anywhere.

And I don't think this is the thread to talk about that. This is about how America's actions are facilitating said persecution. That doesn't mean it has to be taking place at home.

At the moment if there is hostility taking place in this country, it is against faith in general and not necessary targeted specifically against Christians although it seems that way because so many of the faithful are Christian.

Really interesting topic.. i'll research more about it

Published on Jan 7, 2013

This video gives us a glimpse of the shattered lives of persecuted Iraqi Christians who have been displaced by the violence and terrorism in their homeland. Many Christians have had to move to other countries in order to feel safe and secure. May God continue to protect and preserve these persecuted and displaced Iraqi Christian refugees.

In 2013, Iraq was ranked as the fourth hardest place to be a Christian due to christian persecution by the World Watch List

Christian Displacement in Iraq

Related article from May 2013...

The mass exodus of Christians from the Muslim world

I read the first page and noticed something ironic. It's a sentiment that seems to be going like this:

The Christians are just whining pseudo victims claiming persecution where there is no persecution or hate. I wish they would all go away; the planet would be better with out the Christian philosophy. I really hate them.

I'm an atheist, but come on; these are people! Just because they believe in a philosophy and way of life you want to turn your back on their slaughter because the American government loves cheap oil?

I'd rather choose to live next to a neighbor of Christian philosophy than live next to someone whose philosophy can't reflect and sort out their own false indignation which is clearly being put forth by several folks in this thread. Seriously, wow; why all the hate? Biblephobic haters insecure with their own beliefs so they gotta hate on those who are I guess...

How about we stand for not slaughtering anyone?

What will happen is the Christians will start fighting back (see link below), which should be frowned on as well but I think most atheists, especially over in the states, will be a lot more adamant and vocal about their disagreement when that time comes then they were when it was the Christians being buried in mass graves... and so the violence will cascade and cascade. And as were seeing, our various atheist philosophies are not providing much help with our own hate. This world needs a large dose of love and quick.

www.thestar.com...
and
www.thestar.com...

reply to post by AfterInfinity



Yep, except the part where Christians are only about half of that actual graph, muslims are the other half and jews are the little sliver.


You also forgot to put a quote for the muslims on there saying something along the lines of "You drew a cartoon picture of Mohammed, let the be-headings begin!"

ketsuko
reply to post by Krazysh0t

 

Facilitate means to make something easier or help bring about. It doesn't necessarily imply causation.

In other words, our mucking about causes the instability which brings about or makes the persecution easier (i.e. facilitates).

We aren't causing it, but causing the conditions that make it likely.

The way the thread was worded was to suggest that America is going into these countries and destabilizing them all so that the Muslims will persecute Christians. It's why I joined the thread in the first place. As it has been a few days since this post was posted, you've taken the thread in a different direction, but the direction you've taken it in is just as silly. You are basically describing basic cause and effect now. A country goes into another country and destabilizes it (cause). The populous is outraged and decide to push back (effect). Unfortunately they are uneducated as to who the true perpetrators are and lash out at who they perceive is the problem (Christians). This goes on in our country as well. Heck you can see it in ATS with people blaming politicians (puppets) for our problems or religion or anything else.

So basically this thread is just pointing out that an angry populous is dumb and will lash out at the first thing they don't like and blame it for their problems. This was never surprising at all.

reply to post by Stormdancer777


One thing I do know for sure is that in many parts of the Middle East, Christianity represents western standards, influences and ideologies. That is a clear threat to religions that dictate to a people and limit speech, communication, education and social growth. So in many ways it's not hard to understand how this happens. Historically Christianity has been used to persecute, dominate and dictate people of other religions.

Religion is never the issue. It's people that use and abuse religion for there own means and ends that have always been the problem.

BenReclused
reply to post by AfterInfinity

 

I don't see America persecuting Christians anywhere.

Nobody, in this thread, has accused America of "persecuting Christians", so I don't know where you got that idea from. Would you care to enlighten us?

See ya,
Milt

Here , I will do it for you.

America needs Christians to be persecuted so they can justify any and all actions they take on a global scale.

America bombs non-Christian areas to set the fires going.

Christians get attacked by whomever in region, since everyone notices they did not get bombed, easy correlation.

Christians get used again, so, the point is YES AMERICA PERSECUTES CHRISTIANITY.

ALL RELIGIONS NEED A PERSECUTOR, or NO NEED OF SAID RELIGIONS WOULD EXIST.

reply to post by ParasuvO

Here , I will do it for you.

I didn't ask anyone to accuse America of persecuting Christians. Is your level of comprehension, really, so poor that you thought that I did? If so, that would, certainly, explain the crap that you posted.

See ya,
Milt

reply to post by AfterInfinity


Actually, that's what most Christians do with God. Consult Him as an authority. What else is prayer but a one-sided never-ending stream of requests?

Heck, many of us debate what WORSHIP or RELIGION means in the first place. A good half of us contend that your every day life is worship, and what you do in a congregation is more for the benefit of community, not God.

And as for Religion:

James 1:27 - Pure and undefiled religion in the sight of our God and Father is this: to visit orphans and widows in their distress, and to keep oneself unstained by the world.

The word Unstained in the Greek means:

Thayer's Definition

spotless
metaph.
free from censure, irreproachable
free from vice, unsullied

~~~~~~

Strong's Definition

From G1 (as a negative particle) and G4695; unblemished (physically or morally): - without spot, unspotted.

You should see what those who willingly claim Christianity who also tend be socialist do with this verse. lol

~~~~~~~~~~~~

ketsuko 3.) He was raised to be vehemently anti-colonialist, and he views the current regimes in the region as puppets of Western colonialist powers. Thus, he empathizes with the forces that want to remove those regimes. 4.) The whole administration is simply idiotic..

I go with these 2. lol

Simply, idiocy doesn't require a lack of understanding, completely. Wilfully setting things up for failure when it was your JOB to do the opposite, that's a fairly decent explanation of a deliberate fool. Someone who "poops where he sleeps", basically.

~~~~~~~~~~~~

ketsuko
I would guess that the only reason you don't see more Jews being harassed is because they either all moved into the same country together or there aren't very many of them left in very many places. Once they got pushed out, the locals turned on the next group to pick on.

Or we could go more paranoid and go with they're not harassed because they're TPTB that are pulling the strings.

There is the whole paranoia about who actually owns the Federal Reserve? And while Jews and Bankers is a horrible stereotype, the Jews did spend a lot of time in jobs that required the ability to write when the rest of the population was illiterate--and that includes banking. Being able to read and write MADE the middle class for several centuries.

~~~~~~~~~~~~

Krazysh0t
Correlation does not equal causation.

The whole point to a place like this is to sit here and accuse causation, really. Most conspiracies put about are merely built upon correlation. Occasionally, they're right, even without total proof of causation. Rare, I know.

~~~~~~~~~~~~