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posted on Feb, 11 2014 @ 10:39 AM
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while I personally don't like exec orders,as bush used them,there has to be some way to end deadlock.If this is how to do it,so be it.That said,there should be an end to them,as well as a filibuster,refusing to vote on appointees,and a laundry list of other practices.And end lobbyists!




posted on Feb, 11 2014 @ 10:43 AM
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I make no such claim regarding E.O.s in general. They serve a function.

Yes, all gov'ts tend to overreach. I do not view the degree of these new regulations, especially, when the U.S. has to compete with others, economically sans these restrictions, as healthy for us. Especially when they bypass the legislative branch, who have a broader view, in theory, of the overall picture than a myopic, self-centered dept.

Again, I see no real answers to the threads questions!! Rational, justifications and marginalizing seems to be the consensus thus far. Zero yeses, zero nos.

I ask again. Is there a downside to the current level of bypass of the legislative branch by this administration or is it the right thing to do?



posted on Feb, 11 2014 @ 10:50 AM
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Here's the inevitable conclusion of the ends justify the means.

www.youtube.com...=151



posted on Feb, 11 2014 @ 10:50 AM
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EO's - the page linked below lists the number of EO's of each president back to 1929

www.archives.gov...

Regan 381 EO's

Obama 167 EO's




posted on Feb, 11 2014 @ 10:57 AM
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I suspect you're not going to get a solid answer, unfortunately. Those who support the current president will just end up skirting around the question and blaming it all on prior presidents such as Bush and Reagan. (see responses already in this thread) The EO's will be downplayed into something that "happens all the time". Once a republican president comes into office again in a galaxy far, far away from now (if the current corrupted system is still in place by then), then and only then will we see the dems come back to reality and once again be against EO's. The roles will reverse and we will see repubs ok with rampant EO's like it's perfectly fine. It's a sad, sick and infinite loop of BS that the people constantly buy due to willful ignorance. (the worst kind of ignorance)



posted on Feb, 11 2014 @ 10:58 AM
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Total number of E.O.s is disingenuous. Period.

E.O.s that directly by-pass the congress, IN SESSION, that contravene his own legislation, that he signed into law IS the issue that is intended with this thread.

I know well the general lifestyle of Alaskans outside the cities having trucked there for a couple of years. I suspect your an A.C.A. supporter. That's fine with me, if that's the case.

I ask you directly, is there any downside to the methods used by this administration????????????



posted on Feb, 11 2014 @ 11:00 AM
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That's the obvious result of all this, at the least!



posted on Feb, 11 2014 @ 11:04 AM
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nwtrucker
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I make no such claim regarding E.O.s in general. They serve a function.

Yes, all gov'ts tend to overreach. I do not view the degree of these new regulations, especially, when the U.S. has to compete with others, economically sans these restrictions, as healthy for us. Especially when they bypass the legislative branch, who have a broader view, in theory, of the overall picture than a myopic, self-centered dept.

Again, I see no real answers to the threads questions!! Rational, justifications and marginalizing seems to be the consensus thus far. Zero yeses, zero nos.

I ask again. Is there a downside to the current level of bypass of the legislative branch by this administration or is it the right thing to do?



Perhaps you're not getting a "yes or no" answer because your question is loaded.

And, further, the work of government has to proceed. When one Branch (in this case, the Legislative) has adopted a "Do Nothing" mentality, the business of the People has to go on.



posted on Feb, 11 2014 @ 11:06 AM
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The system is broken. The problem with that is the system is supposed to fix itself! However they(Congress, Executive officers, and the Supreme Court) will not do that and have no interest in doing it. As long as the people let this government run amok with their money, then they will do so. The left right paradigm is a myth that has made people believe that there is a champion who has all the answers to all of our problems. Thing is... when has the government EVER made life easier in any way?



posted on Feb, 11 2014 @ 11:14 AM
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If it conflicts with the constitution, the constitution takes priority. If it conflicts with our rights as human beings, our rights as human beings take priority. If it conflicts with the interests of the many, the interests of the many take priority. That's my thoughts on it. The goal is not to filter society, but to sustain it effectively and constructively.



posted on Feb, 11 2014 @ 11:18 AM
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If Obama were a Republican then he would have been labeled a RINO.

Obama is just a democrat in disguise. Most of us from the Left actually disagree with most of his policy.



posted on Feb, 11 2014 @ 11:20 AM
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nwtrucker
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Total number of E.O.s is disingenuous. Period.

E.O.s that directly by-pass the congress, IN SESSION, that contravene his own legislation, that he signed into law IS the issue that is intended with this thread.

I know well the general lifestyle of Alaskans outside the cities having trucked there for a couple of years. I suspect your an A.C.A. supporter. That's fine with me, if that's the case.

I ask you directly, is there any downside to the methods used by this administration????????????


First I would point out I did not vote for Obama, then I will say I have had disagreements with every presidential administration I can remember.
If you have any links to cite the number of EO's that fall into your specific niche:

E.O.s that directly by-pass the congress, IN SESSION, that contravene his own legislation, that he signed into law IS the issue that is intended with this thread.
if not I will take that as making your point about it moot.



posted on Feb, 11 2014 @ 11:20 AM
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OK. May I presume your answer is no downside?

The question is not loaded. It is a valid question,at least in my mind.

I see downside. I do not see that downside voiced on the left. I therefore ask, do they see any?

It is a simple question...even if the answer isn't. I'm not even interested in negating the left views.

Just an increased understanding.

As far as "the business of gov't must go on", I rebut that as our legislative branch is split-a fair representation of the opinion of the public-there is no consensus and therefore gridlock is probably the best course until consensus is reached.

Dare I say, the intent of the founders?



posted on Feb, 11 2014 @ 11:22 AM
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Sadly, it seems that peoples' support tends to go hand in hand with the letter in parentheses behind the politician's name...

Something that someone approves of under one administration may be something that they disapprove of under a different administration. If it is their "team" doing something, they'll approve, and if it's the other "team" doing that exact same thing, they'll disapprove. Both sides do this crap.



posted on Feb, 11 2014 @ 11:24 AM
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nwtrucker
Each side of the political issue well knows the views of the other.

The current administration has taken us down a road that, obviously, the right disagrees with.

It's the Obama's methods that I ask you about. Do you support Obama's use of executive orders/ constitutional violations?

That is my question to you. Is there even a thought or a concern about it on your part?

Is this the "ends justify the means" and it's the "right" thing to do? Do you see no consequence down the road to these actions?

Do you support the notion that the EPA and others can make new regulations without congressional approval? I.E. apparently 80% of wood burning stoves are banned nation wide as of Jan.3 and fireplaces are the next target for banning?

Are you even aware of these issues as the "mainstream" media has, at best, minimized them?

I guess I'm looking for a deeper understanding of the right as I've seen almost lockstep support for Obama's methods, top to bottom, in the Democrat party. Do you see no collateral damage to your party by these actions?

Sorry. It started out being one question and ended up with a few more.

Any downsides or totally righteous?


For starters, it's not hard to spot your little injection of bias in this thread where you are apparently making a direct correlation between Obama's use of executive orders and constitutional violations. As such, I think you should expect some bias responses as well.

Or do you have knowledge of some SCOTUS rulings regarding Obama EOs inferring that he has violated the constitution? If so, I'd like to see them!

With respect to how I feel about Obama using executive orders to accomplish what little he can, well I'm a Obama supporter and I too have mixed feelings. Personally, I think it's a crying shame that it has even come to this, but it is what it is.

Furthermore, I'm not sure I'd do any different if I were faced with the most obstructionist Congress in american history. One that openly declared "compromise" to be a dirty word and stated their number one goal to be insuring that Obama was a one term POTUS. So much for priority number one being the business of the country.

There may well be some repercussions down the road but I don't see how it could be much worse than what we have right now. We currently have a Congress who thinks it's their business to make sure that no business is done and seeing how I'm a believer in the philosophy that one should "lead, follow or get the hell out of the way," IMO it's time they got the hell out of the way.

On the other hand, some good things have come about as the result of a POTUS decision to issue executive orders. Things like the Emancipation Proclamation and desegregation of the armed forces were both the result of EOs.



posted on Feb, 11 2014 @ 11:33 AM
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Google it. It's far faster and there are plenty of links, if you are actually interested, that is.



posted on Feb, 11 2014 @ 11:44 AM
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One man "bias" is another man's "views".

As this thread has gone on, many of the responses have made me look a bit deeper into my sense of "self".

I suspect multiple levels of motivation, bias, amazement, curiosity and the desire to invoke thought on the issue.

I'm trying to stay away from left-right responses on this thread, to remain objective, despite my views/bias. I had hoped that desire had communicated. Apparently, in your case, it hasn't.

Another thought...in a way, I'm desperate. LOL. It's a desperate attempt to see if any agreement is still possible to maintain/restore the ideals of this nation.

I try not to be a liar. I believe I meant it when I said an "honest" question.

I am in fear for this nation...



posted on Feb, 11 2014 @ 11:46 AM
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Its funny, I hear people talk about how the right disagree with what the current administration does, just as I always heard about how the left disagreed with what the previous administration does.

Yet, all fail to notice that the things these two administrations have done are one and the same. They follow the same course.

It makes me sad that people are still too dumb to identify the false right/left dichotomy.



posted on Feb, 11 2014 @ 11:46 AM
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Actually, Obama has quite a ways to go, to fall in line with other presidential executive orders. They're not going to strip the president of this power. www.forbes.com...



posted on Feb, 11 2014 @ 11:50 AM
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Obama is no Liberal!

He's a neocon thru and thru. The GOP should be dancing in the aisles as Obama toes the Corporate Oligarchy line just like Bush.

There must be some deep seated other reason why the right wing hates Obama so much!
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