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Dems press other drug stores to pull cigarettes.

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posted on Feb, 10 2014 @ 10:40 PM
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James1982

SaturnFX

James1982

SaturnFX

Just to make sure, the complaint then is that people are using their right to free speech...gotcha.



I'm glad you checked, because you were totally wrong

The government does not have rights to free speech. If you are acting as a senator, or a president, or congressman you do not have free speech for your official capacity.

They do have free speech
It is up to us to decide if we like what they are saying on their job with votes.

You got 2 stars for a weird post suggesting politicians have no opinions on things...when it is their job to constantly spout their opinion on things. I do wonder at times what sort of people visit ATS.


Do you not understand the concept of "official capacity?"

Politicians are there to make policy based on the will of the people, NOT use their influence and position to effect things outside their authority. You don't seem to understand how government is supposed to run, do you? They do actually have real rules they are supposed to follow, you are just so used to them breaking the rules it seems normal to you. How sad.

Feel free to list me the rules
until then, any politician suggesting Christmas is a better word than holidays for December 25th, any counter stance on current law (to include abortion, guns, and other) are simply expressed opinions of them that they often run on...official capacity means jack. people have opinions, and especially politicians have opinions made heard of things legal or not..its their opinion
and your posts are lacking this understanding. you are quite literally wrong on everything you have typed so far...as the politicians being discussed are offering opinions
which are protected




posted on Feb, 11 2014 @ 08:09 AM
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Never said I used the big pharma supply stores. I worked within the CVS stores system while in the electrical trade. I learned alot about their " Values" As in Consumer Value Stores or CVS. They value $$$$$$$, that's about it. I drive about 22 miles one way as so I can do my trading at Gibsonville Pharmacy, owned by a really nice family. In their store they carry your drugs and anything drug store related, no cigarettes, no alcohol, only pharmacy related items, like stepping back in time. Yea, I may pay a little more & drive alittle further, but it's as BFFT say's supports the local economy. So in Texas, you have to have a permit to grow tobacco?

I live in the damn center of the tobacco kingdom. Central North Carolina, home of RJ Reynolds, Lorillord Tobacco , American Tobacco, Cherokee Brands Tobacco, Lorillord is in my home town. No permit here. It used to be when I was kid an open auction with tobacco. I have very fond memories of. We lived close to two of the larger tobacco warehouse's where the farmers would come and auction off their crop. Seeing those old farm trucks lined up to get into the auction the smell of all that cured tobacco. Spent several summers in those tobacco fields "priming" tobacco. Those days are gone. Big tobacco moved in and the auction is now as dead as the dinos. Farmers now grow for the specific tobacco company they enter into agreement with, it's sold before it's grown. Damn sad for the small farmer of tobacco. I do understand the lure to grow the stuff, sells for around $1.75 to $2.00 oer pound for flue cured. Hard crop to grow, harder crop to harvest. Most farmers would rather sit behind that corn planter & then the combine which harvest's the corn, way easier than tobacco.
edit on 11-2-2014 by openyourmind1262 because: Lack of spelling ability



posted on Feb, 11 2014 @ 08:15 AM
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They should be careful what they wish for. Without smokers to rape for $17.6 million a year in taxes they'll have to either cut the items the taxes fund or make up the loss by either going after some other group or spreading the burden to everyone.

Smoking is horrible and I would welcome its abolition but when government is concerned health and wellness are only here to ride along with power and revenue.



posted on Feb, 11 2014 @ 08:17 AM
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I say pull them for good, let the smokers buy it underground and they will die off anyways, no health for smokers either. I consider tobacco a gateway drug or should I say "The gateway drug to all other drugs" and bad habits. Marijuanna on the other hand should be legal and should be used to treat people for what most people today know has many health benafits. Tobbaco is stupid, time to just let the tobacco smokers die off.



posted on Feb, 11 2014 @ 09:12 AM
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"First they came for the socialists......" Martin Niemoller



posted on Feb, 11 2014 @ 10:34 AM
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It doesn't matter what they cost where you live, what matters is our freedom is being taken away, freedoms that many fought and died for because that's what you do when things aren't right.....or you could end up paying 10 bucks per pack of smokes, much less having the gov ordering stores to stop selling items to consumers. Bottom line, it ain't none of their damn business who smokes what.



posted on Feb, 11 2014 @ 10:46 AM
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Want to talk about freedoms? How about corporations destroying small private businesses? How about iTunes destroying record stores and libraries? How about YouTube and their copyright laws? I'm sure there are more examples.

Tobacco has ancient religious purposes long forgotten about....where is the freedom of that information???? Joe camel stole that.



posted on Feb, 11 2014 @ 10:51 AM
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Fylgje
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It doesn't matter what they cost where you live, what matters is our freedom is being taken away, freedoms that many fought and died for because that's what you do when things aren't right.....or you could end up paying 10 bucks per pack of smokes, much less having the gov ordering stores to stop selling items to consumers. Bottom line, it ain't none of their damn business who smokes what.


The same people whining about cigarettes and wanting the GOVT to make them illegal would have a seizure if the govt outlawed alcohol and "suggested" that privately owned stores stop selling them..or did this with any number of things THEY enjoy that isnt necessarily "healthy". The hypocrisy of some is just amazing...



posted on Feb, 11 2014 @ 11:06 AM
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Your opinion that all tobacco smokers should just die off is absolutely disgusting. Nicotine actually does have health benefits as well.

It can help with depression, schitzophrenia, reduce chances of Alzheimer's and Parkinson's, relieves ulcerative colitis symptoms, improves cognitive function, memory, attention, etc.

At the end of the day, even if they made all tobacco illegal, you can be sure there will be nicotine-based pharmaceuticals for people to buy from big pharma. Anti-tobacco groups don't care about our health though, they care about control.

The anti-tobacco zealots would prefer all tobacco users just die. Wow how sweet of them, and I thought they wanted to save the children. Smokers have kids too ya know. These scumbags have known for years that swedish snus is a healthier alternative to smoking. It's 99% safer than smoking, but do they recommend smokers switch to a much healthier alternative? Do they tell the truth? No, it's all or nothing with these people. So smokers keep smoking because they're told flat-out lies about other tobacco products that are much safer than smoking. Thing is, they also KNOW that their ridiculous quit methods have a >10% success rate.

They could push/support ecigs and have most of the country quit smoking overnight. Oh god oh god but that still supports tobacco growers, we can't have that. Oh ok so lets tell smokers lies about ecigs so they continue to smoke. Honestly I hate to get on your level, but if anyone should die, it's anti-tobacco zealots. They actually are responsible for harming public health.

Oh and funny how you inhale burning smoke from one plant, but people who inhale burning smoke from another plant are scum and should die. Just wow.

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posted on Feb, 11 2014 @ 06:34 PM
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You're right! I always say that we should take away their whiskey and fancy wine. I bet then they'd be crying foul. How 'bout their precious little cigars? Should we ban them from getting them? I vote Yay



posted on Feb, 11 2014 @ 07:23 PM
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Wouldn't it be funny if all drug stores stopped selling tobacco, then CVS started selling again, making millions monopolizing the tobacco market



posted on Feb, 11 2014 @ 08:06 PM
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Hoosierdaddy71
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These are the same dems that are supporting marijuana for recreational use right? No possible health hazards there.
On a different note, would you be opposed to a restriction on fatty food? Obesity causes more health issues than smoking.
I do find it amusing but not suprising that people think cigarettes should be banned because "they are bad for your health" and neglect other things that are bad for health. I work in a factory and a guy that has been there for 10+ years told me that the job is bad on your joints. So based on the "bad for your health" logic, my job should be banned because it is bad for my health. Oh but wait... My type of job supplies the demand of probably 90% of the people on here, SO that makes it all good... inb4 there are exceptions to the rule because that's what hypocrites in denial say. But I have some good news for you, your flesh is only temporary.



posted on Feb, 11 2014 @ 08:47 PM
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James1982

rupertg
Drug stores, pharmacies, sell cancer sticks?

The cigarette companies lace the tobacco with chemicals that make you addicted to their lethal product. Where's the FDA been? Big business lobbyists controls our government.


Yeah, that chemical they lace them with is called nicotine. A more readily absorbed form, but still nicotine.

You do know nicotine naturally occurs in tobacco and has been smoked (and caused addiction) for a long time?

What's next, you gonna claim drug companies invented opium? LOL!



Ah, what? Here is the submitted list of 500 additives in cigarettes. When burned, they create over 4,000 chemical compounds. The CDC says it's 7,000.

Submitted by cigarette manufacturers themselves. Looks like there is more than nicotine in a cig, yes?

here are some fun ones for you:

Cancer-Causing Chemicals

Formaldehyde: Used to embalm dead bodies
Benzene: Found in gasoline
Polonium 210: Radioactive and very toxic
Vinyl chloride: Used to make pipes

Toxic Metals

Chromium: Used to make steel
Arsenic: Used in pesticides
Lead: Once used in paint
Cadmium: Used to make batteries

Poison Gases

Carbon monoxide: Found in car exhausts
Hydrogen cyanide: Used in chemical weapons
Ammonia: Used in household cleaners
Butane: Used in lighter fluid
Toluene: Found in paint thinners


think that cig is tobacco? think again.

7000 in this one

CJ



posted on Feb, 12 2014 @ 12:36 AM
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Oh oh I know a fun fact too!


It's a common misconception that nicotine is *highly* addictive. What makes cigarettes so insanely addictive is the MAOI's found in cigarette smoke. The MAOI's reinforce (make stronger) the nicotine addiction. On top of that, the ammonia that makes the nic hit your brain almost immediately. THIS is why it's so hard for smokers to quit. Source: Journal of Neuroscience

To my smoking brethren: This is why e-cigs work. You keep the nicotine in your system while you detox from the other toxic chemicals and you don't have nicotine withdrawals. You also get to keep the psychological addiction happy (hand to mouth, inhaling/exhaling something, etc). You keep at it and one day find yourself going hours at a time without using your ecig when you used to smoke a cigarette every 15 min all day every day. Then you congratulate yourself for having an addiction no stronger than caffeine. It's actually a choice now, instead of slavery.

It's too bad that most non-smokers and anti-tobacco clowns know nothing about CIGARETTE addiction and think smokers should 'just quit'. Yeah, because that works.

If I still smoked and CVS was the only store within 50-100 miles, you can bet I would drive 100 miles to stock up on cartons. Then again, this has nothing to do with CVS trying to make it harder for smokers to buy cigs because they give a **** about anyones health.

This is about CVS pushing big pharma approved nicotine products and suicide pills..er..chantix. Nothing more, nothing less.
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posted on Feb, 12 2014 @ 12:39 AM
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Cigarette's have been slowly shoved closer and closer to the door. As it gets nears the exit, the pace will increase.

But frankly? "Meh, big deal"



posted on Feb, 12 2014 @ 12:45 AM
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I've been saying it for years. This is the real price of Obamacare. Regardless of what you think of smoking it's not the government's job to force people to be healthy. And the real issue here is that it won't end with cigarettes. Even if you're cool with the government bullying businesses into not selling tobacco, they will eventually get around to something you do care about.

There are lots of personal choices we make that the government may or may not agree with and once they get into the habit of throwing their weight around, they are going to be doing it whenever they feel like it. Even if it's something that isn't nearly as harmful as tobacco. If they want you to go to the gym every day, they'll just mandate it. What are you gonna say once they have a thousand health mandates behind them?

The direction this country is taking (especially lately) is really and seriously creepy.
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posted on Feb, 12 2014 @ 01:29 AM
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Unfortunately though, now there is backlash against people enjoying nicotine in forms that are 99% safer than smoking. Honestly, if anti-tobacco nazis are going to preach against nicotine use, they need to also shun alcohol, caffeine, sugar, ect. Those unhealthy diet choices don't LOOK like smoking though, so they couldn't care less. They feel as if ecigs are a blow to all their anti-tobacco progress, when it's really a positive step forward. Quit smoking, that is the idea, right?

If the idea is to abolish the tobacco industry, which that is the agenda for many anti-tobacco clowns, that's extremely ignorant. Public health? What about the segment of the population who could benefit from nicotine use? Why is one form of nicotine use acceptable (patches, gum, inhaler), while another is not? This is all about money. Honestly big pharma and anti-tobacco groups have harmed many people by LYING about tobacco harm reduction. The 'evil' big tobacco companies aren't ALLOWED to truthfully state that smokeless tobacco IS safer than smoking tobaccco. In my eyes, that is just as 'evil' as BT using cartoon advertising back in the day.

Sorry, I know this seems slightly off topic. My ranting is due to the fact that the anti-tobacco agenda is not just an anti-smoking agenda. It is apparently anti-tomato, because those contain nicotine as well. Actually, we ALL test positive for nicotine...fun fact.

Here is some nicotine info for anyone interested
oh gherd nicotine myths

Anyways, excuse me while I go inhale my pharmaceutical-grade nicotine liquid that I made myself.



posted on Feb, 12 2014 @ 01:45 AM
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That was fantastic info.



posted on Feb, 12 2014 @ 02:30 AM
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Honestly I could say the store I work at ( Walgreens ) will more than likely not change given this news. In fact I think it will help boost sales and even though it isn't that much once you look at the whole it still is more business than what CVS will be seeing. Even now in our inbox we have a reply from one of the higher ups as to our stance on what has transpired. It pretty much just states that in short "People have the option whether or not to smoke and we will provide it for them." So in the long run I don't think Walgreens will get rid of it. As for any other business I don't think they will be getting rid of tobacco related products just because CVS has chosen to.



posted on Feb, 12 2014 @ 06:39 AM
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lol That's already happened up here in Canada... like a few years ago...
Sucks though when you're trying to buy a pack of smokes . lol



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