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Well, not according to the sources/historians referenced in the videos. It mentions the Jews and discusses how they thought.
Dr Quispel says there was "no virgin birth", "no resurrection, "no cross." Based on the Nag Hammadi texts.
after Christ are a better representation than the texts of the New Testament, written within a generation of Christ, and clearly written by, or with the assistance of, eyewitnesses to his life and teaching?
The Gospels were not written by eyewitnesses
Liberal scholars would like you to believe that the books of the New Testament were not written by eyewitnesses, because it allows them to treat the texts, not as historical biography, but as myth and storytelling, which leads people like your video guy, or the Jesus Seminar, to conclude that anything supernatural that appears in the Bible is "obviously made up."
Gnostism originates out of the Order of Melchisedek (way back machine) and the Essenes sect Qumran;
No, it does not.
In regard to the origin of the Essenes, neither Josephus nor Philo can give a specific date, but both make clear that the Essenian roots are incredibly ancient. Josephus declares that the Essenes have existed "from time immemorial" and "countless generations". Philo agrees, calling the Essenes "the most ancient of all the initiates" with a "teaching perpetuated through an immense space of ages". Josephus and Philo -- as well as several other ancient writers including Pliny the Elder -- are in consensus on two points in regard to the origin of the Essenes:
Their origin is lost in pre-history with certain ancient legends linking them with Enoch;
There was a major remanifestation of the Essenes by Moses at Mount Sinai.
www.essene.org...
The caves where the Dead Sea Scrolls were found yielded a series of thirteen fragments on Melchizedek which identifies Melchizedek as the one who will carry out the vengeance of God's judgments and the one who delivers the people from the hand of Belial and the spirits of his lot.
The belief that Melchizedek was the Messiah was a strongly held conviction among the Qumran community, as well as among some other Jewish and Gnostic sects in the first century A.D. This becomes apparent in the text entitled "The Last Jubilee" (Dead Sea Scroll: 11Q13, Column 2) about the coming of Melchizedek as the Messiah.
www.near-death.com...
Hebrews 7:17 For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
The experience of gnosis was highly esteemed at the beginning of our era in various religious and philosophical circles of Aramaic and Greco-Roman civilization.
1. It is a key word in the scrolls of the Jewish Essene sect found at Qumran.
www.copticchurch.net...
11. For their doctrine is this: That bodies are corruptible, and that the matter they are made of is not permanent; but that the souls are immortal, and continue for ever; and that they come out of the most subtile air, and are united to their bodies as to prisons, into which they are drawn by a certain natural enticement; but that when they are set free from the bonds of the flesh, they then, as released from a long bondage, rejoice and mount upward.
ancienthistory.about.com...
The Essenes were strict Jewish ascetics whose slavish adherence to the Law was something that Christ specifically taught against, clearly indicating that he was not one of them.
“They reject personal wealth, and do not refrain from sharing what they have with those in need; in fact, none among them is richer than the other; for the law with them is that whosoever joins their order must sell his possessions and hand the proceeds over to the common stock; and the leader distributes it to all according to their need. The overseers who provide for the common wants are elected by them. They do not use oil, as they regard anointing as a defilement, and they always dress in white garments".9
www.hisholychurch.org...
Remembering what we have learned so far, let us not forget that it would be these Essenes of first century A.D. which would, after the crucifixion of Jesus, identify Jesus with their theological Angel-Messiah which was likewise crucified in the heavens. Thus, we find this group of Pythagorean-Buddhists, who are today labeled "Essenes," gravitating toward the Jesus Movement in Palestine. These Essenes brought with them their syncretistic religious beliefs which were an amalgam of Indian, Buddhist, and Pythagorean religious beliefs which were immersed within Second Temple Judaism. Today we call these religious beliefs "Christianity."
adjensen
I don't understand what is so hard to "get" about the religious landscape in the time of Christ and the centuries which followed him. Take a few hours to read the historical record, and the differences between the Pharisees, the Sadducees, the Essenes, the Christians, the Gnostics and the Gnostic Christians is obvious. Instead, people idly speculate, invent their own facts, and dismiss reality, simply because it doesn't fit into what they would prefer reality to be.
edit on 11-2-2014 by adjensen because: clarifiation
The search for gnosis is a red herring on a rabbit trail that leads to nowhere fast.(I'm only good for 3 cliches in a row).Wild I am not trying to derail your thread I am just following the motto of ATS ... deny ignorance and gnosis (and all religion for that matter) is full of it...and as a side note.It is absolutely false nonsense to believe Yahoshua was a Gnostic or Essene.Everything that is recorded of what he did and said are in complete contradiction to those fallacys.
None of these people who indulged in mysticism understood the least bit about reality .
Like when Jesus took "Doubting" Thomas aside and told him the secrets that he then refused to pass on to the others?
Their "knowledge" was all self inflicted.Their "gnosis" is gibberish that doesn't make anyones life any better.It's chasing the wind in a vacuum.
The basis of truth is all very easy if anyone wants to "know" what the mystery of life is all about I'll tell them......go live.
All the gnosis in the universe will not reveal anyone "seeking" it because..it ain't hidden or lost..and even it was found it would make as much sense to most people as me explaining the general relativity to the feral cat that lives in my backyard(if he'd even listen!).
gnosis (and all religion for that matter) is full of it.
The search for gnosis is a red herring on a rabbit trail that leads to nowhere fast.
Like when Jesus took "Doubting" Thomas aside and told him the secrets that he then refused to pass on to the others?
12 The disciples said to Jesus, "We know that you are going to leave us. Who
will be our leader?"
2
Jesus said to them, "No matter where you are, you are to go to James the
just, for whose sake heaven and earth came into being."
13 Jesus said to his disciples, "Compare me to something and tell me what I
am like."
2
Simon Peter said to him, "You are like a just angel."
3
Matthew said to him, "You are like a wise philosopher."
4
Thomas said to him, "Teacher, my mouth is utterly unable to say what you
are like.
5
Jesus said, "I am not your teacher. Because you have drunk, you have
become intoxicated from the bubbling spring that I have tended."
6
And he took him, and withdrew, and spoke three sayings to him.
7
When Thomas came back to his friends, they asked him, "What did Jesus
say to you?"
8
Thomas said to them, "If I tell you one of the sayings he spoke to me, you
will pick up rocks and stone me, and fire will come from the rocks and devour
you."
3 Jesus said, "If your leaders say to you, 'Look, the (Father's) imperial rule is
in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you.
2
If they say to you, 'It is
in the sea,' then the fish will precede you.
3
Rather, the (Father's) imperial rule
is inside you and outside you.
4
When you know yourselves, then you will be
known, and you will understand that you are children of the living Father.
5
But if you do not know yourselves, then you live in poverty, and you are the
poverty."
4 Jesus said, "The person old in days won't hesitate to ask a little child seven
days old about the place of life, and that person will live.
2
For many of the first
will be last,
3
and will become a single one."
I think it's pretty easy to see that he's talking about reincarnation, and self-knowledge (gnosis).
Where are you getting this password thing?
Gnostic cosmology also varies, but the common theme of a number of heavens can be found in all accounts. The exact number of heavens is not clear, but there are at least seven and perhaps more. Each of these heavens is guarded by a being know as an Archon. These entities are responsible for extracting a password from the soul attempting to return to the Father. As The Apocalypse of Paul illustrates, the soul that fails to give the correct password is sent into the world to be reborn. (Source)
The Spirit spoke, saying, "Give him the sign that you have, and he will open for you." And then I gave him the sign. He turned his face downwards to his creation and to those who are his own authorities.
adjensen
reply to post by Akragon
I suppose that it depends on the translation, but I believe that this is what that guy was talking about:
The Spirit spoke, saying, "Give him the sign that you have, and he will open for you." And then I gave him the sign. He turned his face downwards to his creation and to those who are his own authorities.
Gnostism originates out of the Order of Melchisedek (way back machine) and the Essenes sect Qumran;
adjensenNo, it does not.Gnosticism is the religious aspect of Greek Platonism, it predates the Essenes by a long time, and comes out of a completely different culture. It also followed Melchizedek by at least a thousand years, so either you have no sense of time, or you don't know anything about Melchizedek, the Essenes or Gnosticism.
[I]VeteranHumanBeingJesus was an Essene and had this knowledge.
adjensenThe Essenes were strict Jewish ascetics whose slavish adherence to the Law was something that Christ specifically taught against, clearly indicating that he was not one of them.
adjensen don't understand what is so hard to "get" about the religious landscape in the time of Christ and the centuries which followed him. Take a few hours to read the historical record, and the differences between the Pharisees, the Sadducees, the Essenes, the Christians, the Gnostics and the Gnostic Christians is obvious. Instead, people idly speculate, invent their own facts, and dismiss reality, simply because it doesn't fit into what they would prefer reality to be.
wildtimes
reply to post by Rex282
Hi, Rex.
Thanks for joining in.
None of these people who indulged in mysticism understood the least bit about reality .
Buddha!...No? ....erm..Krishna! No again? Jesus! Well, he did say that we could all do what he had done, and more.
Like when Jesus took "Doubting" Thomas aside and told him the secrets that he then refused to pass on to the others?
Their "knowledge" was all self inflicted.Their "gnosis" is gibberish that doesn't make anyones life any better.It's chasing the wind in a vacuum.
The basis of truth is all very easy if anyone wants to "know" what the mystery of life is all about I'll tell them......go live.