I would suppose there are no easy answers; and you have to seek them for yourself.
VHBI would suppose there are no easy answers; and you have to seek them for yourself.
BeaversThis is kind of my whole point tho.
That's all gnosticism seems to point to, secrets or a mystery that one needs to eternally search for.It's like the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. Metaphorical and not actually obtainable.
BeaversPeople love a mystery, it keeps them coming back for more, but if there are any actual secrets, I've yet to, or maybe aren't supposed to ever find them
Maybe they don't exist, and it's the journey.
Beaversso are you telling me that there are secrets, that you yourself have obtained? or are you just like me and interested in secrets that may or may not actually be there?
As far as I can tell (and I certainly don't know everything!), gnosticism is an ancient, even pre-historic, practice....
The Merkabah tradition emphasizes the role of Metatron as the “Knower of Secrets,” Myzr According to 3 Enoch he is “wise in the secrets and Master of the mysteries.” He is the one who received these secrets from the angels and from the Lord (the Holy One). He serves also as “the Revealer of Secrets,” the one who is responsible for the transmission of the highest secrets to the Princes under him, as well as to mankind. In ch. 38 of 3 Enoch, Metatron told to R. Ishmael that he was the person who revealed secrets to Moses, in spite of the protests of heavenly hosts:
Obviously Christian Gnosticism won't go back prior to Christ existing.
These are the opening words of the Poemandres, the first text of the Corpus Hermeticum; they provide a first insight into the visionary source of Hermetic Gnosis:
Upon a time while my mind was meditating on the things that are, my thought was raised to a great height, while the physical senses of my body were held back—just as are the senses of men who are heavy with sleep after a large meal, or from fatigue of body.
I thought I heard a Being more than vast—in size beyond all bounds—called out my name and say: "What wouldst thou hear and see, and what hast thou in mind to learn and know?"
And I said: "Who art thou?"
He answered: "I am Shepherd of Men, Mind of all-Masterhood; I know what thou desirest and I am with thee everywhere."
And I replied: "I long to learn the things that are, and comprehend their nature, and know God. This (I said) is what I desire to hear."
He answered me: "Hold in thy mind all thou wouldst know, and I will teach thee."
And with these words His aspect changed; and straightway, in the twinkling of an eye, all things were opened to me. And I saw a limitless Vision: all things turned into Light—sweet, joyous Light. And I became transported as I gazed....
And I could even tell you of the "Tutorial". But do you think you could handle it? I'll think about it.
Gnostism originates out of the Order of Melchisedek (way back machine) and the Essenes sect Qumran;
Jesus was an Essene and had this knowledge.
I don't understand what is so hard to "get" about the religious landscape in the time of Christ and the centuries which followed him.
Never mind the fact that Gnosticism and Judaism are inherently incompatible because of the conflict between duality and non-duality.
Modern research (Cohen 1988) identifies Judaism, rather than Persia, as a major origin of Gnosticism. Many of the Nag Hammadi texts make reference to Judaism, in some cases with a violent rejection of the Jewish God. Gershom Scholem once described Gnosticism as "the Greatest case of metaphysical anti-Semitism". Professor Steven Bayme said gnosticism would be better characterized as anti-Judaism. Recent research into the origins of Gnosticism shows a strong Jewish influence, particularly from Hekhalot literature.