Why can't some ATSers differentiate between Transgender vs Transsexual?

I'm no expert on proper terminology concerning the LBGT community. I don't need to know all the details to be supportive/respectful.

I support equal rights for anyone that isn't committing crimes against another.

When posting in an existing thread I would try to use proper terms. If another poster pointed out my mistake I'd do the research, apologize/correct myself.

If I felt strongly enough about a topic to start a thread, I would try much harder to be as accurate as possible. Subject matter aside, if I posted inaccuracies I would expect backlash. This is ATS after all.

Either way when starting a thread we should pay close attention to details if we want our views taken seriously. Accurate info is essential to a healthy debate. Posters are called out on facts/sources all the time, imo all subject matter should be held to the same high standard.

Get it right or at least make the effort. Otherwise it could reflect negatively on the OP's character. Just my opinion, maybe that's why I don't start threads.

reply to post by benrl


I commend you for that, strange that politeness is commendable huh? If it is your belief that it is a perversion or it's wrong in some fashion, you leave it to God. I highly respect that even if I don't agree that is wrong.

Krazysh0t
The better question is, why does it matter? This website isn't exactly a hotbed of LBGT rights discourse, so why should it be a priority for the members to know the various buzzwords associated with that movement? That's like going into an IT tech forum and asking why all the members don't know gaming lingo. Sure some (most probably) play video games and may even discuss them in the forums, but it isn't required knowledge for the forums.

Why does it matter? Because willful ignorance on the subject (and for a site claiming to deny ignorance I see a lot of it on the subject) Have caused problems in many peoples lives. Well meaning parents screwing up their kids heads, and even poorly written laws and pathetic court rulings by misinformed judges.

When this effects not only peoples lives, but laws, it is important.

Sex = determines whether you are biologically male or female

Gender = Societies definition of masculine and feminine.

Contrary to what one poster said, not all transsexuals are transgendered.

Let's say a person was born male but they wanted to be a female physically because they despised having a penis, but they still were very masculine and dressed and engaged in activities society has labeled as macho and masculine then they are not transgendered, because they still associate with societies norms for the chromosomes they carry.

Kali74
reply to post by benrl

 

I commend you for that, strange that politeness is commendable huh? If it is your belief that it is a perversion or it's wrong in some fashion, you leave it to God. I highly respect that even if I don't agree that is wrong.

Christians are called to not judge, to be a light onto the world.

to many take the being a light part as grabbing a torch and destroying that which they disagree with, yet they forget things like Christ hung out with Prostitutes and Tax collectors.

That he also said loving money is far worst than anything else (the love of money root of ALL evil, two masters thing) yet american Christians forget that in their abundance, far too many forget where Christ showed his mercy to.


We can all agree or disagree what is moral and ethical, but surely we can all agree on whats polite interaction between human beings.

crazyewok

jrod
reply to post by jrod

 

Not every person is born XX or XY.

2nd line

99.9999999999999999999999999% are

True hemphordites are extremly rare.

Here’s what we do know: If you ask experts at medical centers how often a child is born so noticeably atypical in terms of genitalia that a specialist in sex differentiation is called in, the number comes out to about 1 in 1500 to 1 in 2000 births. But a lot more people than that are born with subtler forms of sex anatomy variations, some of which won’t show up until later in life.

There is a host of information found here. www.isna.org...

reply to post by gardener


You know what the real problem is? Labels, why do people want labels nowadays? I thought we were trying to get away from labeling people who are "different" If you want me to call you something then just tell me your name and let me judge you by who you are not what you want to be labeled.

reply to post by benrl


I grew up Christian, that is how I understand Christ and the Bible. Judge not. It really burns me up to see anyone use their religion to dictate to others or decree norms by.

Kali74
reply to post by benrl

 

I grew up Christian, that is how I understand Christ and the Bible. Judge not. It really burns me up to see anyone use their religion to dictate to others or decree norms by.

It is an easy way to disguise your own prejudices,

"Its not me, its the bible"

Many things are "sin" in the bible, all equal, looking at another human with anger in your heart is just as much a Sin as any other, or Looking at a swim suit model in lust, all equalyl sin.

A fact Christians forget, is that we all sin (especially Christians) , Thats not what matters.

reply to post by calstorm


Willful ignorance from people participating in LGBT threads and issues is the problem. If I don't participate in these threads then I don't need to know this information. The intent of my post was to question why this thread was necessary. Couldn't the OP have put these definitions in the 4 or so threads he started today on LGBT topics? In any case, I really don't care either way. Until you decided to respond to me I hadn't responded since the first page and was content on just being a quiet bystander. Also, keep in mind, I can support equality for LGBT's without knowing EXACTLY what every term means.

reply to post by benrl


Refreshing.
We need more of your kind representing the religious.

reply to post by thesaneone


Unfortunately, as a number of recent court cases have come up, the correct labels do need to be in place for the sake of the law. There have been several court cases and laws written regarding bathrooms and locker rooms in schools. Other cases have come about due to parents not wanting their child sex mentioned on their birth certificate until the child was old enough to choose their own gender. A gross mistake on the part of the parent in my opinion, due to their confusion of the terms sex and gender.
The court ruled on the side of the parents due the judges own confusion of the terminology.

We are not talking about slang labeling here, as in goth, hipster, emo etc. but scientific terminology.

luciddream
reply to post by gardener

 

What the point of genders? more labels to separate each other?

No one can run away from what they were BORN WITH!

Tanned white guy is still a white guy, bleached black guy is still a black guy.

There is no "black" and there is no "white", there are only varying levels of melanin. Besides, it was a crap shoot being born that way so why be proud of something you had no control over? But back to the topic at hand, I think it has to do with people trying to validate their own beliefs or how they see the world which is why we have so many labels and meanings for everyone and everything nowadays and that is why everybody seems confused as to what is supposed to mean what.

Krazysh0t
The better question is, why does it matter? This website isn't exactly a hotbed of LBGT rights discourse, so why should it be a priority for the members to know the various buzzwords associated with that movement?

Knowledge is knowledge no matter the context.

why should it be a priority for the members to know

Because you should be denying ignorance.

Kali74
reply to post by benrl

 

Refreshing.
We need more of your kind representing the religious.

Thank you, but I think we all just need to be more understanding of each others struggle, religious or Atheist, right or left, black or white, Man or women.

A little empathy goes a long way.

reply to post by Krazysh0t


Perhaps you do not feel the need to know as of now, but if it was to ever touch your life through that of a sibling, child or even work place situation, I feel that it would be important for you to know. If you feel as if it doesn't affect you life in anyway shape or form and you choose not to get involved in conversations about it, then carry on.

thesaneone
reply to post by gardener

 

You know what the real problem is? Labels, why do people want labels nowadays? I thought we were trying to get away from labeling people who are "different" If you want me to call you something then just tell me your name and let me judge you by who you are not what you want to be labeled.

Thank you and you make the best point of the thread, IMO. We are obsessively hung up with labeling. You must be straight, or gay...TG or TS...Black or White or Other or whatever. Just being a person and individual isn't enough, and not by a long shot.

Perhaps it's that individuality that scares people and creates the seeming need to BE labeled and self-assign to a larger group for identity?

I really don't get it myself. I suppose there are a few groups I could work myself into being a part of claiming..but why? I'm not White, American, Missourian or a few other things less public about myself. I'm a PERSON who happens to have those traits to describe my life and experience in it ...but they don't define the PERSON, right?

Labels define, restrict and segregate people ..and people line up willingly to participate in more of it. Go figure?

reply to post by Wrabbit2000

It doesn't seem to be a matter of labels, but of identity. Gender, and gender identity, is a pretty important thing in the way one defines ones self. You don't have any self identity?

You don't identify yourself as anything at all? Male? Female?

reply to post by calstorm


Oh, I already know the definitions of those two words and the differences between them. I am aware that the OP is actually wrong and that transexual is just a sub-category of transgender, but it's all semantics. I don't need to know the definition or differences between those two words to support or not support the LGBT issue. For example, do I need to make a thread explaining the difference between a poltergeist and a ghost for you to believe in phantasms?

Wrabbit2000

Thank you and you make the best point of the thread, IMO. We are obsessively hung up with labeling. You must be straight, or gay...TG or TS...Black or White or Other or whatever. Just being a person and individual isn't enough, and not by a long shot.

I was watching the Super Bowl, with a friend. He commented "Boy its just gladiator games aint it?"


Wrabbit, you stumbled on the Crux of everything, no matter how advanced we think we are, all we need to do is take a look around at issues like this to see the one truth.

We are all still just tribal nomads hiding in caves, afraid of that which is different, because different might kill us.

Of all the things we talk about on the site this is probably the most important.

You want Aliens? Guess what, they don't want to meet us.

You want to fight the Powers that be? Guess what, you can't, because your still afraid of your neighbor.

You want alternative energies and space travel? Guess what, we still deem it more important to kill than to educate.


The sad case of humanity, can't even stop fighting each other at the best of times.

reply to post by Phage


I think the problem arises in the delivery.

I am who I am no matter what others think.