Greenwald: The NSA’s Secret Role in the U.S. Assassination Program

reply to post by TrueBrit


That about sums it up...with one minor correction. Not all the US sites are run by others.....some are just located elsewhere but very much run (now, in the past or both) by Americans. (A site outside Kandahar, Afghanistan and one in S.E. Asia come to mind on that)

R_Clark
reply to post by Wrabbit2000

 

Should you blame Greenwald? Maybe, we should blame MTV and the 10 second sound bite for the current attention span problem... It may be that he just understands that we all have this deficit built in and he is working around it...

lol

What does MTV have to do with the 30-40 YEARS it will take for the material Greenwald was given to be released? The last time I saw a breakdown, the estimate was 36 years at the current dribble of docs. Society or soundbytes have nothing to do with that aspect.

* Recent Tally of Releases

hmm...can't get on the greenwald site...shocker!...it's probably already in full DOS mode. now that I think about it, maybe I shouldn't go there at all. planted viruses, malware, keystroke SW, etc. might already be locked and loaded on it. but, If you other members want to go on there, I'll be happy to read on ATS what you found.

reply to post by Wrabbit2000


By run by, I mean the day to day grunt work is very often carried out by a local site manager, rather than being administrated by a transplant to the nation involved, although there are bound to be exceptions.

From a deniability point of veiw, it is much easier to deny the existence of such sites, if those who ostensibly own and control the land it is supposed to be on, are actually not citizens of the nation, from which the agency derives.

reply to post by TrueBrit


Oh, you're right of course and they had/have both as I've understood it. The movie 'Rendition' was a decent look at it for how this likely worked and may very well still work for how they're doing it.

Honestly and between you and me? If we had a nation and leadership we could trust and believe would operate in good faith to our best interests? I could even see the need and use of the black sites. However, we are a world away from that trust or ability to believe anything they are doing is in our best interests first, or ever, as it goes these days. So..no hidey holes allowed for them, IMHO.

reply to post by Wrabbit2000


You know what? I could not agree more!

The trust issue that I have with my government, or indeed any government, and have had since I was able to think, observe, and learn, is why I do not believe that these sites will ever be acceptable. Simply put, mankind is flawed. Even the very best people, doing things for the very best reasons, could make a mess with the power we give our governments at the moment. We do not have, and probably never will have, the best people, the most moral people, people we can trust to represent our needs as people.

As such I do not believe that black sites should exist, because capitalist or socialist, religiously motivated or atheistically administrated, governments cannot be trusted to do the right thing with the powers they have.

Mind you, if our leaders were all bastions of moral solidarity, then I doubt that there would be nearly as much requirement for sites like these in the first place!

reply to post by TrueBrit


Our leaders are a bastion of moral solidarity. They are unified in the love of money as being the unifying moral obligation with the obtainable goal of their particular set of morals being control. They show true solidarity in this.

Get rid of the sell outs and restore the governing function of government (hahahaha will never happen).

reply to post by Wrabbit2000


IDK, if someone goes around blowing up innocent kids, I won't complain if they get sent to a black site.




Wait.......

Maybe Snowden et al are VERY CAREFULLY vetting every last bit of information they release to make sure no innocents are going to pay the price for it; it's obvious Snowden and Greenwald have far more integrity than anyone in the US Federal Government who called for their heads and lied to Congress has.

And maybe a lot of those documents will never be released for the same reasons.

This has never been done before; someone aggregating a massive amount of intelligence from' a 'secret' source and then using it to assist change on a massive scale by the people.

Maybe cut them some slack since their lives are on the line and barring an unknown psyop background on all this, they're doing this for the entire globe's sake.

Honestly, is there anyone left who doesn't think that the Fourth Reich is Alive and Well in the good ol' United States of America? That the Bush Crime Family didn't long ago take over including murdering their rivals in cold blood? That Obama is a planned new patsie, same as the old patsie? That people behind the scenes are controlling this for their own enrichment and they're psychopaths?

After reading over at the Greenwald site, it appears that he IS releasing the Snowden material, in the form of other whistleblowers that have come forward with information and Snowden's files are used for confirmation; in other words, the very long article there is a write up of what is going on with drone killings and collateral damage in the journalist's words with corroboration by secondary parties plus Snowden's material.

That's what's taking so long; he's getting info from many sources and then releasing it in a journalistic form rather than the way Wikileaks did as a data-dump.

Brilliant.

reply to post by signalfire


Is everyone still falling for the Snowden scam? Wow, that's like believing Manning leaked all that stuff with a Lady Gaga CD after he punched a female Sgt and had his weapon taken away.

reply to post by R_Clark


Your post made me think...

Why is it we will arrest, charge and try members of our military who intentionally killed civilians in Iraq / Afghanistan while at the same time refuse to hold the same standard to those who are behind the drone strikes?

reply to post by R_Clark


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Updated : Greenwald and Scahill have appeared on Democracy Now... Here is the video link..

www.democracynow.org...

This is a detailed article about the drone program, how intelligence has changed from on location Intel with eyes on the ground to computer analysis and metadata for making targeting decisions.

Linking the NSA civilian internet spyprogram to that drone program can give some unexpected results..

Having too much criticism on your government you may well be ordering an unwanted pizza (read rocket) at your doorstep.

reply to post by Rosinitiate


There ya go. It's almost like the Gal who said, 'Shave my Legs? Why bother. 6 months later, ya gotta do it again.' Lol!
Later, Syx.

reply to post by Xcathdra

Why is it we will arrest, charge and try members of our military who intentionally killed civilians in Iraq / Afghanistan while at the same time refuse to hold the same standard to those who are behind the drone strikes?

Talk about an awkward moment, eh? If we're being intellectually honest on all this? It's a VERY awkward thing to try and explain or make right with, isn't it?

To the civilians beneath the drones when they strike? ...I'm thinking the difference from a Baghdad car bomb at a market just isn't enough for them to care about or bother considering. How many weddings, so far? (sigh)

reply to post by Wrabbit2000


As much as I don't like the tactics used, and I do see them as being akin to that of gangbangers, if a grunt is told to level a house because there are enemy combatants in the house, and it turns out that he killed a woman and her children - no one is prosecuted. I know this because I knew a guy who did it. He tried to warn me about the chain of command before I joined. What he failed to warn me about was the short shorts and constant all day every day nut to butt drills. I would have no problem disobeying the chain of command if they gave me a BS order, so that wasn't really an issue to me.

Wrabbit2000
I have to ask... Is Greenwald and the rest ever planning to release what they are sitting on and hoarding for information ..or just trickle it out this way, at strategic moments, to do the most damage?

The website/online magazine has been in the pipeline for a while, which you would be aware of if you ever read anything of Greenwald's (which I suspect you don't). Also the article in question is very long and I'm sure putting together such an article is time consuming and not just something you can knock together in one night.

swanne
reply to post by R_Clark

 

An anti-american's rant?

What exactly is an anti-American? Or is that just the label that you roll out every time someone expresses a different to yours or criticises America?

Did you even read the article?

I suspect you haven't even bothered...

Wrabbit2000


Is this about changing things or revenge and retribution? If these folks want to use what Snowden stole from this nation for change and positive things? GOOD... God knows we need change and reformation in the true sense among Intelligence and Military ...if not a whole lot more.

If it's just to play God with world events by tossing out specially timed leaks to really stick it to Uncle Sam whenever possible? I do hope he and those with him are captured and fnd out....painfully and over long years...what the Black Site program actually *IS* and what really happens to human beings who enter it. Few, if any come back out of it ...but that's fine too if this is his motivation at this stage. Harm...can be returned in kind and with interest. That's fine by me.

I'd still prefer change and that means releasing all of it ...not just what looks the most juicy for headlines that day.

Can I ask what planet you're on?

What exactly do you expect Greenwald to do? Just dump all the information? Where? How? I suspect even if that happened you'd still be complaining and saying it was reckless and endangered national security.