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The ET, An Open Discussion...

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posted on Feb, 11 2014 @ 01:04 PM
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It's probably only a hope, but I like to believe the UFOs' and supposed E.Ts's are and always been mostly humans from the future traveling in various models of time travel crafts much as we have various car models, Airplane models, etc. To make sure we have a future Earth and living human/oids.
Sounds out there but I have good reason to believe this rational though ATS is not where I'd explain it as; Lack of proof & evidence would have me chewed up & spat out before I could turn my head lol!


Another thread I love & wish to continue reading though I THINK this will be my only reply.
Thx Slayer, for an excellent topic with much to satisfy one's quest for others peoples thoughts. S&F




posted on Feb, 11 2014 @ 01:21 PM
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I am not against you in any way however , we all have the right to believe what we like , this is our right as individuals.



posted on Feb, 11 2014 @ 06:48 PM
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Indeed it is.



posted on Feb, 11 2014 @ 07:22 PM
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Brighter

What if these craft are basically some kind of physical software?




That's a really cool idea, especially when considering them as a form of energy vs. physical matter.


Brighter
I often find myself wondering, if these UFOs are real, then what's inside them? But maybe there's nothing really inside them - the ship itself is the whole thing, or the current expression of its algorithm. But if it's some kind of software, then where is it stored? I doubt such a craft would exhibit a PC architecture for storing and executing instructions - it has too many single points of failure - but maybe it stores a complete copy of its instructions in every part of the whole, like memory architecture based on a fractal design.



Intriguing! Perhaps the 'data' is related to a frequency/amplitude of the 'craft' or energy when it exists in this dimension. And memory architecture based on fractals? Woooo, that's really neat. I don't know, but, man, way to think outside the box!


Brighter
Maybe thinking of UFOs in terms of an aircraft/pilot model is completely wrong. Everything is switched around because the aircraft could produce a 'pilot' if it wanted, not the other way around. Or the aircraft could even choose not to be an aircraft.
Or maybe a UFO is sort of like an ICMP ping packet, what a highly advanced civilization uses to 'ping' other dimensions.


As far as the inter-dimensional theory of ETs/UFOs goes, I am on board with what you suggest here (No pun intended )
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Thanks for the spin of the wheels! Great ideas, just great!



posted on Feb, 11 2014 @ 07:50 PM
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What always bothers me about most accounts of ET's is that they seem like something that a hippie would ramble about after having taken too much of a mind-altering substance.

The ET's don't seem to actually have a life, outside of contact with humans, as such they seem utterly 2-dimensional..

In a way it reminds me of a particular take on the whole "Ancient Astronaut"-idea; where the similarities between ET's and the gods/creatures of myth/lore is due to them both filling a particular psychological niche.

So I'd forget any of that "Contactee" stuff...

If there were ET's I'd picture them as being just as petty, bureaucratic, prone to error and miscalculation as us humans are. I think that the reason there hasn't been "Disclosure" has less to do with malevolent governement/TPTB(on earth), and more to do with a mess of petty "Interstellar" laws and regulations regarding the transfer of intellectual property/technical information/etc. (much like laws in the US that prohibit the transfer of information that could aid in rogue nations building/designing weapons of Mass Destruction) afterall; an interstellar spacecraft is just as capable as being an interstellar missle.

interstellar traffic in arms regulations
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posted on Feb, 11 2014 @ 08:02 PM
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misschareesee2
I firmly believe that we who follow the ufo subject, do ourselves a very great disservice, by automatically equating anomalous ufos (even landing 'ship'-looking things which burn guys) with extra terrestrial off planet visiting humanoids. It could be that we share this planet with civilizations which exist under the oceans, as ufos (again, the ship looking ones) are seen coming and going from the oceans. And whenever thinking about anomalous ufos, I am always keeping ATS poster The GUT's threads in mind, about control systems and psychological warfare. Dr. Michael Persinger made very intriguing experiments which point in entirely other directions. And there is an abundance of ancient bizarre art which seem to depict modern military craft. Also, I am fascinated with the possibility of time travel involved in all this, but that's speculation. One thing that puzzles me, is how different modern ufo encounters used to be, compared with this current era. I highly recommend looking at Isaackoi's threads to see what I mean. Something big within the ufo phenomenon has significantly changed, from my perspective of being alive for nearly 55 years and being aware of the ufo phenomenon as early as my beginning adolescence.
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It seems that our perception of UFO's has changed at the same pace as Hollywood's ability to represent them. Odd, no?

Early UFO's looked oddly similar to Hollywood's spaceships. Todays UFO's look more advanced, much like today's Hollywood UFOs.

Makes me wonder how much of UFOness is somehow genetic. In previous ages people saw gods, angels, demons. Today we see aliens and UFOs.



posted on Feb, 11 2014 @ 08:10 PM
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The wisdom of cynicism! I am sure more than a few will write your words off as an anthropocentric point of view, but, in all honesty, there is no reason to think that ETs wouldn't suffer from bureaucratic and corporate faults.

Consider the efficiency of corporatism, which is a central tenant to the idea of a corporation, and then consider all of the speculation that ETs are masters of efficiency. Doesn't this ring familiar with our own 'masters' (arguable) of efficiency in production and economy? There are a great many tangential roads we could travel down with this. To all believers in ET benevolance, please muse upon NonsensicalUserName's idea.



posted on Feb, 12 2014 @ 04:27 AM
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How many of you have stopped to consider how completely 'neutral' our visual / physical interpretation of the Greys are? I mean, if you wanted to slowly acclimate another species to your presence, and this other species, Humans in this example, are themselves varied enough to a point that any likeness / differences between your higher species and these varied Humans would possibly be a source of strife among them, as they either accept or reject and even accuse each other of being in cahoots with this higher species?

Would not an intermediary ambassador species or even automaton creation be prudent in keeping the Humans from warring with each other over their interpreted view of you?

I mean, sure, the Greys could simply be near the end of their evolutionary path, and are all mind, no physical prowess. But from what we know of them, they seem excruciatingly neutral, yet in a basic human bipedal form. Something we can relate with, but cannot individually identify our distinct races with.

If this is indeed the case, we must ponder who is really pulling their strings, and at least be appreciative of the foresight involved.
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posted on Feb, 12 2014 @ 02:52 PM
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Well put, it's going to take some unconditioned people to digest this and look at it for what it is!



posted on Feb, 12 2014 @ 02:58 PM
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StormyStars
Text Purplereply to post by SLAYER69
 

It's probably only a hope, but I like to believe the UFOs' and supposed E.Ts's are and always been mostly humans from the future traveling in various models of time travel crafts much as we have various car models, Airplane models, etc. To make sure we have a future Earth and living human/oids.
Sounds out there but I have good reason to believe this rational though ATS is not where I'd explain it as; Lack of proof & evidence would have me chewed up & spat out before I could turn my head lol!


Another thread I love & wish to continue reading though I THINK this will be my only reply.
Thx Slayer, for an excellent topic with much to satisfy one's quest for others peoples thoughts. S&F


I am starting to think the same way about this issue after hearing the report from Andrew Basiago on time travel. There may also be many types of life that may or may not be from another time or place.



posted on Feb, 12 2014 @ 03:03 PM
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TheGreazel
I am not against you in any way however , we all have the right to believe what we like , this is our right as individuals.

You can believe whatever you like, but you gotta be careful about letting other people know what you believe.



posted on Feb, 12 2014 @ 03:39 PM
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misschareesee2
I firmly believe that we who follow the ufo subject, do ourselves a very great disservice, by automatically equating anomalous ufos (even landing 'ship'-looking things which burn guys) with extra terrestrial off planet visiting humanoids. It could be that we share this planet with civilizations which exist under the oceans, as ufos (again, the ship looking ones) are seen coming and going from the oceans. And whenever thinking about anomalous ufos, I am always keeping ATS poster The GUT's threads in mind, about control systems and psychological warfare. Dr. Michael Persinger made very intriguing experiments which point in entirely other directions. And there is an abundance of ancient bizarre art which seem to depict modern military craft. Also, I am fascinated with the possibility of time travel involved in all this, but that's speculation. One thing that puzzles me, is how different modern ufo encounters used to be, compared with this current era. I highly recommend looking at Isaackoi's threads to see what I mean. Something big within the ufo phenomenon has significantly changed, from my perspective of being alive for nearly 55 years and being aware of the ufo phenomenon as early as my beginning adolescence.
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It seems that our perception of UFO's has changed at the same pace as Hollywood's ability to represent them. Odd, no?

Early UFO's looked oddly similar to Hollywood's spaceships. Todays UFO's look more advanced, much like today's Hollywood UFOs.

Makes me wonder how much of UFOness is somehow genetic. In previous ages people saw gods, angels, demons. Today we see aliens and UFOs.
makes me wonder maybe aliens did not really care about the exteria of there ships until they met earthlings. Prepair to be earthanized.



posted on Feb, 12 2014 @ 09:11 PM
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Throwing some thoughts here to the wolves....

Why would they want to come here?

- Carbon based lifeforms are rare.
- There are substances, biological subsystems, life forms, existing here that are unique.
- The rate of extinctions happening on this planet is accelerating, causing more visitations because valuable knowledge is being destroyed.
- Formal contact has been avoided because our civilization is unsustainable, fractured, violent and genocidal. We may be totally irrelevant other than a curiosity. Abductees have reported other motives however.
- They are aware that our technology is totally vunerable to the effects of EMP, either man-made or from the sun, and that once our power grids are destroyed, our nuclear power plants will eventually melt down and contaminate the entire planet. Relevant to points 1,2,3,4 above.

The technology they have?

- Our solar system is within range, if range is even relevant.
- Lightspeed restrictions are irrelevant.
- The expenditure of any resources needed to visit Earth is negligable to the mission goals.
- Their communication systems are not detectable by us. Lightspeed restricted systems are obsolete, which is why space seems so quiet other than from natural sources or a fluke WOW signal from time to time.
- The crafts are not restricted to the physical laws (including gravity) as we know them when their systems are operating properly, however a Roswell crash/ Shag Harbor event, is what can happen when there is a malfunction.
- They are capable of operating in space, within an atmosphere, or within a liquid environment. Friction does not seem to be a hinderance unless there is a malfunction (Kecksburg).
- Some craft eminate brilliant white and/or colored light within our visual range. The lights seem to be more of a by product as a result of activation of it´s power system, concentrated either at the corners of the ship, or aligned in a row or rows along the outer edge of the disks. The lights do not appear to serve any navigational or preventive function such as lights used by terrestrial aircraft.
- Some craft are capable of landing. Some craft have been reported to be gigantic in size with escorts (JAL 1628) others capable of launching additional crafts (Iran 1976 incident). Some reports have shown whole fleets of similar type crafts (Mexico).
- It can be speculated that the vast difference in UFO crafts (JAL 1628 vs. Belgium UFO wave for ex.) would indicate more than one type of ET race has been attracted here.

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posted on Feb, 13 2014 @ 01:39 AM
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I know im changing a little in the Subject its related tho


when we read and see our Ancestors Texts , Drawings Sculptures on walls to figurines .. speaking about the Myths


its exactly how they seen it with their era time frame primitive Eyes .. some may think its a metamorphoses sighting
repesentation what they actually cant describe as wings repesent Flight to them


as A Angel or a Sumerian God/Sage having wings representing Flight..
Or Ezekiel Wheel within a Wheel a Unidentified Flying Object

The Book of Enoch on Extraterrestrials
www.abovetopsecret.com...


or Moses Speaking to a Burning Bush and of all the Wonders of Plague he cause to bring his People Free

And God a El - Lyon == Alien EL- ly - on Guided the Freed Hebrew Slaves With a pillar of Smoke from a Cloud during the Day and a pillar of Fire / Beam of Light at Night .. and then we have a Mysterious Machine the Produced MANNA a Staple Food for the Hebrews to Survive their Wanderings ! ??? Just a Few of the UFO Biblical Event Connections In my Opinion

Ohh If Our Ancients have seen this from a Neanderthal to Us Modern Looking Humans




I love this Clip !!

this Right here Explains for the Most Part form some how Religion was Created !
Of what they have seen much like around the World ! OLD and NEW

this Clip is from the Old Documentary Named Chariots of the Gods base on a Book of the same

how GOD and Religion created?




modern experiment during WWII shows that how primitive people encounter advanced people and they create religion and god




Natives that never seen plane nor a white Man after WWII Created a Runway and a Plane Prop




many Ions ago B.C. Iran/Iraq ( Sumar ) I my belief did the Same
















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posted on Feb, 13 2014 @ 01:48 AM
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Lou is also posting the direct link to the chapters on his facebook page.
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posted on Feb, 13 2014 @ 04:07 AM
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Addressing the picture of different UFO's first -

Anyone watch any of the 9/11 videos?
It was a jet liner, no a black/grey army plane, no it was a fighter jet!
Everyone sees the same but has a different perspective meaning the
majority of UFO's are one and the same - just a different angle and perspective
from the viewer coupled with their present emotions of what was just witnessed.
A disc UFO can be seen as a cigar shaped UFO from a distance looking at the angle
from the flat edge.

Kenneth Arnold reported an elliptical shape craft..it was the reporter whom
labelled it the now widely accepted saucer shape.
The craft Arnold depicted is almost an exact resemblance created by the famous Horten brothers - the Horten 229.
(first operational turbine powered flying wing)
This was a 'war toy' captured by USA from Nazi Germany and IMO, this is what crashed in the now
historical famous Roswell crash!

What we see today gracing our skies are owned by our different Governments trying out their latest
gadgets on each other and if we do have EBE's visiting us - we would hardly know it as it would be the
same for us about them as it is now for us about Bigfoot; kill first and figure out if it was harmful or not later!

Now Slayer, I have followed many of your threads [and I thank you] which are usually about
ancient (hidden) history, so I put forth the "what if" scenario...

Reading Admiral Byrd's supposed diary of his trip to the North Pole, he was apparently apprehended by UFO's
and taken to an underground base -
Here is my hypothesis that works with your ancient (hidden) history -

Suppose Byrd's tale is true..?

Couple this with your own theory Slayer - they are us, we are them!
How so...?

History tells of an ancient race that was wiped out (Atlantis, Lumeria & the Tower of Babel)
and we have radiation deposits at certain locations unexplainable to modern science.

What if this ancient race had an all out arms (nuclear) war and the survivors went underground to survive,
as the PTB would do today leaving the survivors to perish.
What if not all perished - few surface dwellers DID survive and the nuclear fallout caused them to mutate?

We looked like them when they went underground, but due to radiation, we mutated and look , well - mutated -
as opposed to what we see as a Grey Alien.
We are them and they are us - so we see them as they further their technology examining us so they may better
understand long term nuclear radiation exposure and how this mutation was made possible.

So for the sake of arguement, thought I would change it up a bit - just a theory I came up with
some 20 odd years ago and now shamefully plugging it


Again Slayer - S&F


Be well all

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posted on Feb, 26 2014 @ 03:35 PM
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SLAYER69
They are all visiting us then why? Whats so supposedly special here? Is it our planet's natural resources? Is it our Genetic coding? Are we simply a fascinating Galactic anthropological study of a true pre-interstellar space fairing race? Are they here to help, study, guide or simply guard against us breaking out of our crib too early?

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How about the spirit of humanity becoming real after several tens of thousands of years. It could be any moment, it might take another century or two but there is a chance one of us gets recognized as being more than half real in the eyes of ET's which would mean we made it as a civilization.

At first life on the planet was not much more than mechanical, without a spirit. Then ET's saw life and acknowledged it and there has been a connection ever since. But for life to choose to become real or manifest depends on itself not ET's.

Understanding how humanity was 'fake' all along is difficult and what might happen if we don't make it is even more difficult. But someone is watching out for us.



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