Scientists Confirm Fukushima Radiation in California Kelp

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Thanks, Phage, very much. Now I know. I guess he wasn't a lunatic.

The doctoral student lives in Hawaii and I don't really know him and we spoke over the phone due to my business position and I'm not totally comfy saying much more than that...and don't even know much more than that! I will say he was informed, reasonable and rational sounding, though.

He said the study was very recent, and since he was a grad student in Hawaii, I'd guess that the study came from one of the Uni's there, but don't know... sorry I didn't press for more info, now.

Perhaps I will email him and get that information and see if he's okay with sharing it.

I know perfectly well that radioactivity isn't as totally horrid as some lay people think it is, but certain forms are much more deadly, like plutonium, and his point was to watch for top of the food chain animals and plants where it concentrates.

We live in a world swimming in residue from decades of dirty nuke tests... and flipping out accomplishes exactly nothing, but denying the raised odds of cancer isn't realistic either, and that level of contamination was sobering, though he stressed these were "trace" amounts, and were probably harmless, but that the levels are going to increase and the fact is that the odds, however slight, are going to increase for people to get cancer... eventually.

It boils down to maths, specifically, probability... so all we can do is work for a resolution of the leaking at Fuk and stay away from food sources from the top of food chains were these isotopes gather in larger concentrations, I'd think.

I hope my fellow hypochondriacs chill out and keep chins up... heh.

I'll keep my eyes pealed searching for the Alaska claim...While searching I found this great summary from the Surfrider Foundation.

www.beachapedia.org...

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That would be great (emailing) him - hopefully he is willing and allowed to share.

For the record, lol, I am not a hypochondriac... nor am I a "doom porner"... Fukushima is a Class A-1 Catastrophe that is not under control and staying on top of 'real' information is a ridiculous challenge. I certainly don't believe anything Tepco says - like all multinationals they are self-serving and only tell truths if it serves their agenda. We continually find out (usually by default or 'oops') that Tepco underestimated this and that and continue to dodge at every turn.

I believe this disaster is horrific and its effects and impact well underestimated. It will take time to show the extent... and it's starting to reveal itself bit by bit, like this person you know being able to confirm trace elements of Fukushima in Alaska. There is so much damage being done to this planet (and us) it is all but impossible to keep everything sorted out as to what is causing what and to whom. Fuku is just the icing on the proverbial cake.

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It will take time to show the extent... and it's starting to reveal itself bit by bit, like this person you know being able to confirm trace elements of Fukushima in Alaska.

If you are really interested I recommend you pay less attention to the sensationalist scaremongering stuff and look for the actual research (which the sensationalists like to distort). Sampling data here (and a couple of models) here:
www.pices.int...


Then, there's this:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

game over man
I'll keep my eyes pealed searching for the Alaska claim...While searching I found this great summary from the Surfrider Foundation.

www.beachapedia.org...

It is a misnomer for articles to compare Fukushima radiation to 'natural background radiation', they are completely different. They're also claiming no deaths, we have no idea because they're not being reported. And like most sources they don't even mention plutonium and use WHO as a source... *cough cough* WHO is about as trustworthy as Tepco, probably even less so.... I'm not saying there's 'zero' credibility within the entire article, but I wouldn't take anything from WHO at face value, or any government/industry funded scientists/universities - is a long history of them being 'directed' to put out what they're told.

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It is a misnomer for articles to compare Fukushima radiation to 'natural background radiation', they are completely different.

How so?

They're also claiming no deaths, we have no idea because they're not being reported.

How do you know this? Could it be they aren't being reported because there are none?

Phage
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It will take time to show the extent... and it's starting to reveal itself bit by bit, like this person you know being able to confirm trace elements of Fukushima in Alaska.

If you are really interested I recommend you pay less attention to the sensationalist scaremongering stuff and look for the actual research (which the sensationalists like to distort). Sampling data here (and a couple of models) here:
www.pices.int...


Then, there's this:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

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No idea what your point is. It IS starting to reveal itself, it IS a nuclear catastrophe - the only unknowns are the extent of damage because it takes 'time' to show up - and even then all the 'new' cancers will be attributed to anything BUT radiation like usual.

I suggest you pay more attention to the real motives of governments and multi-national industries and stop using 'buzzwords' to try and diminish/discredit people's thought and feelings about this. Must be nice to be so perfect in your world.

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I suggest you pay more attention to the real motives of governments and multi-national industries and stop using 'buzzwords' to try and diminish/discredit people's thought and feelings about this. Must be nice to be so perfect in your world.

I suggest you learn some actual science.
Must be awful to live in fear.

Attack the ball not the player...... I can see a mod on their way in here any moment....

Getting distracted and going off topic does no one any good......


Time for a group hug!!!!

So no one watched the videos by thunderfoot...ok deny ignorance indeed.
Ok the half life on the Caesium is 8 days so how many days has it been since the event?.
Sorry but If you would have watch those vids it would have told you that the radiation is no worse than a plane flight.

boymonkey74
So no one watched the videos by thunderfoot...ok deny ignorance indeed.
Ok the half life on the Caesium is 8 days so how many days has it been since the event?.
Sorry but If you would have watch those vids it would have told you that the radiation is no worse than a plane flight.

Actually I got through about 1 and a half of the videos - the guy is too screechy and irritating to actually 'listen' to. I didn't get any credibility out of what I reviewed - he ranted about some map being used as a 'fear' tactic for Fukushima but I've never seen it used anywhere myself. People will gravitate to find evidence to support their beliefs if they're closed minded. If people are open minded they follow the information as it unfolds. Pooling information from all sources and sorting it is the only way to openly search for answers.

Unfortunately more often than not Fukushima has become so polarizing that people/posters are more interested in slinging mud and throwing around buzz words like 'fear monger' and 'doom porn' at anyone with a different perspective and dismissing their sources instead of welcoming information from all directions. Being cynical of government and the nuke industry and concerned for our planet and lives has become something to mock and ridicule on this site - am speaking generally, not pointing at you - and has become all but impossible to just have adult discussions and why I've mostly given up even trying. Many great posters have been so turned off by the constant rudeness by a few they simply don't post anymore, is just not worth it - the point of trying to discover truth amongst all the lies takes a far back seat to egos and 'I'm right' fighters...

That it hasn't stopped, isn't stopping, has no way to be stopped and is in danger of even worse problems should have everyone raging. I'm not in 'fear' - I'm pissed at how much 'they' get away with. People are more passionate about black friday sales than environmental destruction... is all by design, our evolution has been anything but 'natural'.

I absolutely believe Fukushima is going to cause a huge increase in the already high rate of cancers at least in the northern hemisphere - I also absolutely believe their dumping of ridiculously radioactive water into the ocean will cause huge problems all the way up the food chain - it just takes 'time' to show. Flying through radiation in the sky cannot be compared to breathing in hot particles that are now 'everywhere' thanks to Fukushima. There is so much more to this than meets the eye - so much more... We all die anyway, is just a matter of how and when, would prefer it not be by radiation induced cancer.

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Thought as much...watch the last video and it debunks the kelp claim. I actually thought as you until I did some research.
It actually has facts and science in so you may learn something.

boymonkey74
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Thought as much...watch the last video and it debunks the kelp claim. I actually thought as you until I did some research.
It actually has facts and science in so you may learn something.

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So many articles are talking about half life's being short so there's no worry (like iodine and one mentioned one of the cesiums) - however they fail to talk about the particles with half lives of hundreds/thousands of years. So many articles talk about 'safe' levels of cesium, etc., but they never mention that plutonium and lead and a bunch of other goodies also blew up but you don't hear about their measures, I'm surmising because the geigers aren't meant to pick them up. My point is there is a lot going on in the atmosphere we're not getting wind of... pardon the pun... What little we do know can only be the tip of the iceberg.

As far as radiation in kelp off the west coast - if Fuku's radiation isn't there by now, it 'will' be at some point not to distant - again it all depend on currents and depths and what kind of equipment. As Dr. Chris Busby said the best way is to get several readings over an area and over time, then you can see a 'trend' which gives a better view of what's really going on. Random samplings (I think) are a crap shoot because the stuff isn't stationary, it moves. Soil samples are probably more reliable.

They haven't stopped anything - it continues 24/7/365 and they have no solutions so it's going to continue 24/7/365 for... decades?!? That means the air, soil and water are going to continue becoming saturated and spread like a virus. What is today is only the beginning, it's ongoing. I'm cynical enough to believe that someone behind the curtain could count every hot particle if they wanted to with the technology that's 'not' available to us. We're being kept in the dark on purpose, it's so obvious. All we have to do is go back to sleep and not ask questions.

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When you are inclined to pay ca. 40$ i am able to post
you a link to/ for some Files which provide the Composition
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there is a lot of Talk about it but it is not for Free!

The Files are there and it is up to you to make Nails
with a Head or to just continuing your Smalltalk!

There is also a Way to pay 20$ a Month for 5 Files
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reply to post by wishes

We're being kept in the dark on purpose, it's so obvious.

The only darkness you're in is caused by the depth of your ignorance and fear. There's a way out but takes a bit of work. Research, real research. The information is there. The problem is, you don't pay any attention because you seem to want things to be horrible.
en.wikipedia.org...

The Fukushima region is in a very bad way and will be for a very long time. Just as Chernobyl is and will be.
Radioactive contamination is not black magic. It obeys the laws of physics. Learn them.

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Actually the Situation in the Hot Zone around
Fukushima Daiichi is much, much better than
around and far, far away from Chernobyl!

The Japanese Hot Zone get smaller, every single Day
while Chernobyl is a forgotten and lost Area!

People are able to go back even to Futaba which is
very close to the FDNS,
the Japanese even looking and find Ways how to use
contaminated Fields because we saw that some Plants
do not absorb Radiation that badly.

We will never give up that Area,
but we can't say this about the Ukraine and Belo-Russia
which is depending on the European Union.

Phage
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We're being kept in the dark on purpose, it's so obvious.

The only darkness you're in is caused by the depth of your ignorance and fear. There's a way out but takes a bit of work. Research, real research. The information is there. The problem is, you don't pay any attention because you seem to want things to be horrible.
en.wikipedia.org...

The Fukushima region is in a very bad way and will be for a very long time. Just as Chernobyl is and will be.
Radioactive contamination is not black magic. It obeys the laws of physics. Learn them.

edit on 2/12/2014 by Phage because: (no reason given)

It is incredibly ARROGANT and ERRONEOUS of you to ASSume that I "want things to be horrible!" I have grandchildren that matter a great deal to me and I have a deep and passionate love for this planet. Your arrogance and ego way exceeds your wisdom and manners! Talk to me in five more years and let's see how clean North America is and how well the cancer rates are. You don't know the future so don't pretend you're the be all end all to all questions. Go research global politics for a few decades like I have, then we'll talk.

It is so POINTLESS to post on these threads at all... absolutely pointless! The few real intelligent people around here have already moved on just as I am about to do... again... there are better places. Is all yours, lol - and Human's.

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It is incredibly ARROGANT and ERRONEOUS of you to ASSume that I "want things to be horrible!" I have grandchildren that matter a great deal to me and I have a deep and passionate love for this planet.

Well it's the only reason I can think of for you to ignore the evidence and research and insist that it's all a pack of lies.

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This is the Main-Problem in a Conspiracy-Forum,
it is nearly impossible, as you know it already, to Discuss
the so called Reality of Facts and Evidences.

But, in my Opinion, we need to find a Way to do this and you are
on the right Way!

Respect!