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JayinAR
eriktheawful
JayinAR
reply to post by eriktheawful
I think its an issue of cost vs benefit actually, and it actually makes perfect sense that any galaxy-faring species wold most likely be peaceful.
Slaves? No need, they have robots.
Take the planet for its resources? Why, when there is a bazillion others just like it?
Etc
When you are at war.....cost is nothing actually. Think about all that was built by the US during WW2.
You are right: why take that planet when there are others?
Well: how well does FTL work? Is it instataneous? Does it take a day to go a single light year? A week? Months?
How far does an alien territory extend? a few parsecs? (a parsec is the distance from here to Alpha Centauri), 50 light years? 100? 1,000?
What if their area is further out towards the outer rim of the galaxy? Less stars, less planets, etc. They need more. Can they cross other territories? Is it allowed?
Or is our entire galaxy under some One Galaxy Order? What if when we finally do go out there, we find out: join, or go home and don't leave. ?
The universe is big enough to have everything we can think of in it......and more than likely it has a LOT more that we can't even think of.
Like I said: just because you become more advanced with technology, does not mean you become more peaceful.
Look at us.....we are so intelligent. We really are. And yet, we are willing to kill for our beliefs, life style, form of government, and yes, resources. Even though we actually KNOW that things would be a LOT better if we just all got along, shared our resources, and tried to help everyone.
We know this as a fact. And yet we still have nuclear weapons pointed at each other. We still kill in the name of some god. We kill people to make them see that our way of government is better (whatever that may be). We let people starve. We still think: He who has the most toys (and money): WINS!
Even though we KNOW that it would be better if we all just got along and tolerated each other.
We already have the technology to reach the closest star within 100 years......and yet, we kill each other. We have groups that continue to hate.
I'm not really going to hold my breath on the idea that just because you develop faster than light travel, means that you must be peaceful.
I hope you're right though. Because any alien race that does have that power.....but is not peaceful?
We'll be those ants in a ant hill.
I think the problem humanity faces is group-think.
In actuality we DONT fight over Gods. We fight over resources. It is the Governments who spin that need for resources into more ridiculous reasons for going to war. War has NEVER been fought over religion; it has always been about, "what they got that we want?"
And while you're right that we know cooperation is ideal, very few people have the courage to stand against their Government and say no. As a whole, we aren't very intelligent at all.
So following from there, a galaxy-faring species shouldn't have any motive for pillaging our resources. They, in my view, would either be peaceful, or utterly indifferent. But either way they couldn't care less about our gold.
IMO of course.
ETA: my layman's understanding of FTL travel makes me think it should either be instantaneous, or at least ridiculously fast. On the order of 10,000 times the speed of light. I think the answer is wormhole travel.
Time wouldn't be a factor for such a species.
And if they are somehow accelerating to faster than light speeds, I think you'll find they don't even have a world they call home. They would essentially be time travelers.edit on 10-2-2014 by JayinAR because: (no reason given)
dragonridr
JayinAR
eriktheawful
JayinAR
reply to post by eriktheawful
I think its an issue of cost vs benefit actually, and it actually makes perfect sense that any galaxy-faring species wold most likely be peaceful.
Slaves? No need, they have robots.
Take the planet for its resources? Why, when there is a bazillion others just like it?
Etc
When you are at war.....cost is nothing actually. Think about all that was built by the US during WW2.
You are right: why take that planet when there are others?
Well: how well does FTL work? Is it instataneous? Does it take a day to go a single light year? A week? Months?
How far does an alien territory extend? a few parsecs? (a parsec is the distance from here to Alpha Centauri), 50 light years? 100? 1,000?
What if their area is further out towards the outer rim of the galaxy? Less stars, less planets, etc. They need more. Can they cross other territories? Is it allowed?
Or is our entire galaxy under some One Galaxy Order? What if when we finally do go out there, we find out: join, or go home and don't leave. ?
The universe is big enough to have everything we can think of in it......and more than likely it has a LOT more that we can't even think of.
Like I said: just because you become more advanced with technology, does not mean you become more peaceful.
Look at us.....we are so intelligent. We really are. And yet, we are willing to kill for our beliefs, life style, form of government, and yes, resources. Even though we actually KNOW that things would be a LOT better if we just all got along, shared our resources, and tried to help everyone.
We know this as a fact. And yet we still have nuclear weapons pointed at each other. We still kill in the name of some god. We kill people to make them see that our way of government is better (whatever that may be). We let people starve. We still think: He who has the most toys (and money): WINS!
Even though we KNOW that it would be better if we all just got along and tolerated each other.
We already have the technology to reach the closest star within 100 years......and yet, we kill each other. We have groups that continue to hate.
I'm not really going to hold my breath on the idea that just because you develop faster than light travel, means that you must be peaceful.
I hope you're right though. Because any alien race that does have that power.....but is not peaceful?
We'll be those ants in a ant hill.
I think the problem humanity faces is group-think.
In actuality we DONT fight over Gods. We fight over resources. It is the Governments who spin that need for resources into more ridiculous reasons for going to war. War has NEVER been fought over religion; it has always been about, "what they got that we want?"
And while you're right that we know cooperation is ideal, very few people have the courage to stand against their Government and say no. As a whole, we aren't very intelligent at all.
So following from there, a galaxy-faring species shouldn't have any motive for pillaging our resources. They, in my view, would either be peaceful, or utterly indifferent. But either way they couldn't care less about our gold.
IMO of course.
ETA: my layman's understanding of FTL travel makes me think it should either be instantaneous, or at least ridiculously fast. On the order of 10,000 times the speed of light. I think the answer is wormhole travel.
Time wouldn't be a factor for such a species.
And if they are somehow accelerating to faster than light speeds, I think you'll find they don't even have a world they call home. They would essentially be time travelers.edit on 10-2-2014 by JayinAR because: (no reason given)
well i agree with you they would have no need of resources because everything they need is in abundance on the way here. However just because your intelligent doesnt mean you cant be hostile either.
JayinAR
dragonridr
JayinAR
eriktheawful
JayinAR
reply to post by eriktheawful
I think its an issue of cost vs benefit actually, and it actually makes perfect sense that any galaxy-faring species wold most likely be peaceful.
Slaves? No need, they have robots.
Take the planet for its resources? Why, when there is a bazillion others just like it?
Etc
When you are at war.....cost is nothing actually. Think about all that was built by the US during WW2.
You are right: why take that planet when there are others?
Well: how well does FTL work? Is it instataneous? Does it take a day to go a single light year? A week? Months?
How far does an alien territory extend? a few parsecs? (a parsec is the distance from here to Alpha Centauri), 50 light years? 100? 1,000?
What if their area is further out towards the outer rim of the galaxy? Less stars, less planets, etc. They need more. Can they cross other territories? Is it allowed?
Or is our entire galaxy under some One Galaxy Order? What if when we finally do go out there, we find out: join, or go home and don't leave. ?
The universe is big enough to have everything we can think of in it......and more than likely it has a LOT more that we can't even think of.
Like I said: just because you become more advanced with technology, does not mean you become more peaceful.
Look at us.....we are so intelligent. We really are. And yet, we are willing to kill for our beliefs, life style, form of government, and yes, resources. Even though we actually KNOW that things would be a LOT better if we just all got along, shared our resources, and tried to help everyone.
We know this as a fact. And yet we still have nuclear weapons pointed at each other. We still kill in the name of some god. We kill people to make them see that our way of government is better (whatever that may be). We let people starve. We still think: He who has the most toys (and money): WINS!
Even though we KNOW that it would be better if we all just got along and tolerated each other.
We already have the technology to reach the closest star within 100 years......and yet, we kill each other. We have groups that continue to hate.
I'm not really going to hold my breath on the idea that just because you develop faster than light travel, means that you must be peaceful.
I hope you're right though. Because any alien race that does have that power.....but is not peaceful?
We'll be those ants in a ant hill.
I think the problem humanity faces is group-think.
In actuality we DONT fight over Gods. We fight over resources. It is the Governments who spin that need for resources into more ridiculous reasons for going to war. War has NEVER been fought over religion; it has always been about, "what they got that we want?"
And while you're right that we know cooperation is ideal, very few people have the courage to stand against their Government and say no. As a whole, we aren't very intelligent at all.
So following from there, a galaxy-faring species shouldn't have any motive for pillaging our resources. They, in my view, would either be peaceful, or utterly indifferent. But either way they couldn't care less about our gold.
IMO of course.
ETA: my layman's understanding of FTL travel makes me think it should either be instantaneous, or at least ridiculously fast. On the order of 10,000 times the speed of light. I think the answer is wormhole travel.
Time wouldn't be a factor for such a species.
And if they are somehow accelerating to faster than light speeds, I think you'll find they don't even have a world they call home. They would essentially be time travelers.edit on 10-2-2014 by JayinAR because: (no reason given)
well i agree with you they would have no need of resources because everything they need is in abundance on the way here. However just because your intelligent doesnt mean you cant be hostile either.
Of course there is always the possibility a species acts like an ass-hat just to be an ass-hat, but I doubt it.
And I question the actual intelligence of anything that goes around bullying people just cuz.
The Vagabond
When one planet is no longer enough for a civilization, perhaps instead of growing their territory they shrink themselves into a computer simulation. If you could compute consciousness and reality perfectly, there is no real requirement that you go through the motions. We might find out that 99% of the life of the average civilization plays out in a shoebox drifting through empty space long after their star and their biology are gone.
dragonridr
However just because your intelligent doesn't mean you can't be hostile either.
GargIndia
reply to post by Blue Shift
Yes, it is possible that an alien race tries to kill all earth humans and snatch their resources.
However each human (alien included) is bound to the universal law of karma or 'cause and effect'. So usually such effort ends in disaster for the attacking race.
Ismail
GargIndia
reply to post by Blue Shift
Yes, it is possible that an alien race tries to kill all earth humans and snatch their resources.
However each human (alien included) is bound to the universal law of karma or 'cause and effect'. So usually such effort ends in disaster for the attacking race.
I found your use of "usually" absolutely hilarious.
A universal law that usually applies...to waring intergalactic species the likes of which have never been observed.
Here, have a medal. No. Have two.
Fifty years ago the physicists Freeman Dyson speculated that vast structures could ring or completely enclose their parent star. These Dyson Spheres, the work of a Kardashev Type II civilization — would be capable of drawing on the entire energy output of its star. Geoff Marcy, Professor of Astronomy at the University of California, Berkeley, who is famous for discovering more extrasolar planets than anyone else, 70 out of the first 100 to be discovered, received a grant last year from the UK’s Templeton Foundation to search for Dyson spheres.
Marcy studies thousands of Kepler systems for telltale evidence of such structures by examining changes in light levels around the parent star as well as possible laser traffic among extraterrestrial civilizations. "Fermi Bubbles," which might appear as a void in visible light in spiral galaxies, is the term used by Richard Carrigan, a scientist emeritus at Fermilab, in his work on the search for cosmic-scale artifacts like Dyson spheres or Kardashev civilizations using Infrared Astronomical Satellite (IRAS) data . A Fermi bubble would grow as the civilization creating it colonized space, according to Carrigan.
As Carl Sagan observed, the time to colonize an individual system is small compared to the travel time between stars. A civilization, believes Carrigan, could engulf its galaxy on a time scale comparable to the rotation period of the galaxy, or every 225–250 million years, and perhaps shorter.
Searching for signatures of cosmic-scale archaeological artifacts such as Dyson spheres or Kardashev civilizations is an interesting alternative