Did anybody check into that TR-3B i mentioned, i'm sure thats what it is, its supposed too have a 600 foot diameter, and is a black triangle so it sounds exactly like what it is.

Natas says:

"What if it has already proved to be "that damned good" and unchallengable? You think they are going to just sit on it? Leave it in a hangar somewhere? I highly doubt it."

I highly doubt it, either. I also highly doubt that, if the United States actually had a Mighty Top Secret Thingamabob, they'd hardly be wasting billions of dollars on such "obsolete" weapons systems as the F-22 Raptor, F-35 JSF. F/A-18 E/F Super Hornet, AH-64 D Apache Longbow, etc., n'est-ce pas?

Or that they wouldn't be actually using it, right?

Hey everyone, I have a question, and it's sort of off topic alittle bit but kinda relates to this to.. anyways, my question is, everyone talks about black projects that the U.S. military has with the Government and some say that we have stuff that would make Star Wars look like a thing of the past and that were 30-50 years ahead of what we have now. It's all interesting to read about or hear about and i'm sure we do have some advanced stuff but not to make Star Wars look like the past, probably just little experiments. But in other threads people are talking about all these problems with the F-22 and the F-35 JSF... shouldn't these projects be a cake walk to make and produce, considering the "Star Wars" type stuff we have. so why are we having all these problems with the F-22 and F-35 when were so advanced??

Thanks, Metal fan

Originally posted by metalfan87
Hey everyone, I have a question, and it's sort of off topic alittle bit but kinda relates to this to.. anyways, my question is, everyone talks about black projects that the U.S. military has with the Government and some say that we have stuff that would make Star Wars look like a thing of the past and that were 30-50 years ahead of what we have now. It's all interesting to read about or hear about and i'm sure we do have some advanced stuff but not to make Star Wars look like the past, probably just little experiments. But in other threads people are talking about all these problems with the F-22 and the F-35 JSF... shouldn't these projects be a cake walk to make and produce, considering the "Star Wars" type stuff we have. so why are we having all these problems with the F-22 and F-35 when were so advanced??

Thanks, Metal fan

Great question Metal fan,
Correct me if I'm misinterpreting, but your question breaks down to this:
"If we are 30-50 years ahead technologically then why do we have problems with the F-22 & F35?"

First, I partially agree with your statement (although I tend to think of it being more like 25 yrs ahead), "...I'm sure we do have some advanced stuff but not to make Star Wars look like the past, probably just little experiments"

The DoD throws billions of dollars into black projects every year and most of these are aerospace projects or peripherals of aerospace projects.
Many of these projects may involve a single or small number of functional units.

Has the defense industry produced things that would make "Star Wars" look like the past? No...but they might have developed things that would seem to be on par with "Star Wars" (the movie) technology.

And what then of the question, "If we are 30-50 years ahead technologically then why do we have problems with the F-22 & F35?"
Perhaps there is a 2-fold (maybe more) answer to this...

1. They don't want to reveal/openly use technology prematurely by premiering it on a widely reknowned system like the F-22 or 35.

2. Regardless of the level of technology, any system will have bugs that need to be worked out and the F-22 and 35 are no different. Basically, the level of technology one possesses does not necessarily corespond to the avoidance of bugs in the system that need to be shaken out.

This is a pretty good discussion. And the 50 years advanced question is a good one. Having heard this statement from two highly credible people I'll give you my interpretation.

As far as the F22 et al programs you have to remember that as a system becomes more complex so do the engineering difficulties associated with it. You get multiple contractors working together and it even gets more complex.. actually political. Even if there are some exceedly far out there technologies developed by the government, there are still problems in engineering and assembly. For instance the F22, as amazing and high tech as it is, the wings are built by hand. And it's one thing to build a couple versus manufacturing hundreds of them and having to justify it to congress and the american people. I have no doubt in my mind that the government could be as far ahead as people claim they are. There are certain things that slow down the scientific process and if they were able to avoid those things which they very well can than their research could be much more accellerated than at a company like Boeing or Lockheed.

Now the Phoenix lights. I could be mistaken, but I'm almost positive that it was proven that those were military flairs used for an exercise on the other side of the mountain range in Phoenix. After seeing numerous videos of it that seems the most likely explanation.

The triangles! I have a few theories. My first theory is a lot of the triangles people see are actually triangles..... with their poor vision. Even with good vision a distant plane can look like a triangle. Even Cessnas can look like a triangle from the right direction. I'm not saying that there aren't triangles or UFOs.... I'm just saying I believe there are more reports than actual credible sightings.

Now there are the BBDs that were mentioned. I've enquired about these with a few people and didn't get much of a response, just "oh yeah I've heard about them". The hypothesis which was in the posted link was that these were the next generation of material transports. The only problem I see at present, especially if they have been flying as long as has been claimed........ where do you store the damned things?

Could any of these sightings simply be associated with seeing a B-2? Not all, but some. I remember seeing one at an airshow and I thought Darth Vader himself was going to step out if it landed. It was truly a sight to behold, actually seeing it, and not watching it on TV.

I think alot of what we see is from somewhere not of US origin.

Its possible that it could be a military air craft. Since it has been sighted over the US mostly i'd say its probably one of them experimental aircrafts that are being designed in Area 51 but if the aircraft aint manned by a human and lets say an alien instead, then thats just scary. I dun't think the world is ready for that, but when they come let us be ready.

Just a little something you should consider before writing off the Black Triangles as government aircraft... There have been sightings of these things for 50-60 years.

So we've been flying these massive craft around the world since 1950? Hmm....I think the problems with that idea are pretty obvious.

hey, Thank you Intelgirl and Intensity for answering my question, you definitly helped and I appreciate it a lot. You answered my questions with intelligent answers... thanks again

Perhaps these are the craft preferred by the Nordics...Supposedly our closest intergallatic cousins...

Maybe it is testing of the aurora project prototypes?