Now, if you have this kind of system in place, one would assume that it would require some sort of oversight, whether "physical" (by a being/s) or "energetic" (by the force, ka, chi, prana, etc) either way, you must, at some point, concede that there is a greater force at work that you can neither identify nor deny. Hence you have the IDEA of "God" which, yes, doesnt require the WORD "God" but it certainly implies the sort of force behind the nature of things, no?
At the end of the day, whatever is in control of the system that we inhabit is far beyond the comprehension of our limited perception.
I think it would be rather naive to believe in the system without at least seriously considering some kind of force that controls it - whatever that force may be.
If a student has the choice of whether to be punished or not they will choose not to be punished every time.
No one likes punishment so no one would choose to get it in my opinion.
If I had the choice of whether to be sent to Earth again I would not choose it, yet I am still here.
YES! That is precisely my question!!
I'm very pleased that you joined in, thanks....
... I think it's counterproductive to have all the different 'illustrations' of what "God" is.
As I commented on another thread discussing "Afterlife", I don't see it.
If people are going to some spooky spirit existence, just to come back and live these kinds of lives, it's pretty disgusting and irrational.
Mmm. Not in my experience.
No one likes to be humiliated in front of others, or to be humiliated at all. But, I tell you with first-hand, real-life experience, that kids who are dancing in the fire are very capable of moral 'judgments' and what 'they think they deserve.'
Maybe because, unremembered by you, you (your oversoul) knew you (your present self) needed to cowboy up and live it anyway?
I personally believe in reincarnation, everything works in cycles, even life/death. After we die we will forever be reincarnated over and over again back into this universe. In fact, we're already in the "afterlife" because we have all been reincarnated. It's a process that cannot be avoided in my opinion.
I think we keep coming back until we remember and then we get to try something different. I think the biggest discovery humanity will make is that remembering.
So kids you have dealt with willingly and voluntarily chose to go to detention even if they didn't have to? Genuine question, I don't think you're lying.
If that's the case then I think it is most likely that those kind of children make up the vast vast minority.
Yep. It would mean that.
When you speak of an ''afterlife'' without God, then does it mean the whole system of souls, reincarnation, etc is a purely natural phenomena?
A theist understands a Creator created the life/afterlife system in which a persons consciousness (or soul) gets transferred somewhere else after death.
Are you claiming this system exists naturally?
I was just watching Stephen Colbert interviewing Neil DeGrasse Tyson....
and it has brought to the front of my mind - (well, it's always at the front of my mind lately): Can't we believe in an afterlife without believing in God? I think the answer is YES.
I think NDEs have revealed amply that there is an afterlife, whether one is an adherent of a religion or not. They have established that no one religion (or any) is necessary to experience things outside our "waking world". Dreams and NDEs/OBEs seem to be universal phenomena - even those with no religion have been experientially willing to admit, after a NDE, that they experienced a 'beyond.'
So - do we really need to think "God" (the concept of God) has anything to do with it??
I do believe there is an afterlife. I do not feel convinced that a "God" has anything to do with it.
Can we have both as reasonable possibilities? I think so.
Probably my shortest OP ever , but I want to know what ATS thinks. Looking forward to what you all have to say, if anything.
yes, i think it happens when young people get epiphanies, it can be difficult to remember what exactly was on your mind because the experience was overbearing.
Of course there can be an afterlife without believing in a God but that does not mean there is no God.
And by the way if there is an afterlife, who made it?
If you believe in an afterlife than you MUST believe in God. If that is the case you can not be agnostic as you claim.