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2.3 Million American Children + 1.5(mil) Workers HUNGRY and going HOMELESS (6 month UE Limit)

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posted on Feb, 9 2014 @ 06:03 AM
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ChuckNasty
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Pays 14 an hour. We call it grounds maintenance. Clean driving record and the occasional pee test.



How do you propose to circumvent these issues cropping up where Americans are competing with the rest of the world with no national protections when this works in favor of Agenda21? It is all due to Foreign and Domestic Economic Policies to level everyone except the top elite.


Why are so many in favor of Agenda 21?




posted on Feb, 9 2014 @ 06:12 AM
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jacobe001

ChuckNasty
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Pays 14 an hour. We call it grounds maintenance. Clean driving record and the occasional pee test.



How do you propose to circumvent these issues cropping up where Americans are competing with the rest of the world with no national protections when this works in favor of Agenda21? It is all due to Foreign and Domestic Economic Policies to level everyone except the top elite.


Why are so many in favor of Agenda 21?


What!??

2nd line..



posted on Feb, 9 2014 @ 06:18 AM
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Taking away the monetary power of the masses reduces consumption and also forces people to pile up in housing in order to afford to live. It works in favor of resource management and sustainable development and population control.



posted on Feb, 9 2014 @ 07:24 AM
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The U.S government won't simply help the citizens of their country. The most powerful country in the world can't feed it's own people because of greed. When 1% owns 60% of all wealth then the rest starve.



posted on Feb, 9 2014 @ 07:26 AM
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Unfortunately its only going to get worse.

Automation is partially responsible. The economy just doesn't need as many workers as it used to. Compound with this a growing population and it is magnified. There are literally 5 people competing for every job out there.

The only solution I see is to innovate to create new technologies that will require workers. How do we do that?

1. Make college for engineering and the sciences FREE to those who can maintain a GPA of 3.5.

2. When those engineers and scientists graduate, give them business grants to start small businesses.

3. Give them tax credits for every living wage job they create. Create enough and your company pays NO taxes.

4. Eliminate cutting taxes for the one percent, all this creates is large offshore bank accounts, not jobs. Make tax cuts COMPLETELY contingent on job creation, thats what the rationalization has been for it, now MAKE THEM ACCOUNTABLE.

Also we need to create incentives for companies to "reshore" instead of offshore their labor. Make it profitable to employ in the United States. For BOTH workers and companies.

When the GI bill allowed soldiers returning from WW-II to go to college, the result was a large pool of engineers. One of the results of this was the Apollo program. This shows the potential of educating a sufficient percentage of our populace to create things. Right now most of our "smart" people are in finance. We need to get people back into the sciences and engineering to have a brain trust in this country again.

Giving up and being fatalistic will accomplish nothing. We are in a fight for the survival of our country. We have to think smart and do whatever has to be done to improve the situation.



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posted on Feb, 9 2014 @ 07:36 AM
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And hunger does not always look like one is starving. One can starve nutritionally while the body grows weaker and fatter, the body's defense against starvation is to store qw when there is not proper nutrients in the diet. Oh I could go on about this subject. More proud people are going without good healthy options and settling for filler foods.



posted on Feb, 9 2014 @ 07:48 AM
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slunteri
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You can pray all youd like for me to fail, but I wont. Im better than you. Im self made, from no food poor to attorney.

Tens of thousand of people are hired every day. Do you bottom feeders really believe your name is flagged and theres a conspiracy to keep you out of work? Or, is it more probably that those thousands of people hired every day are better than you?

Keep crying, it feeds me. Schadenfreude.


I have no proof but what I have seen happen to other people, but there is a HR blacklist. Of course, the way they use credit scores in hiring practices, your financial situation is part of your profile and that can't be ignored in regards to the blacklist. However, it seems that voicing political thoughts or whistle blowing will put you on the top of the HR blacklist. No telling how big that list is, but it will get around and you'll be forced out of your career path because of it.



posted on Feb, 9 2014 @ 08:41 AM
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spooky24
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The rich are are a sponge that cannot be filled, they are a lust that cannot be "slicked", they are the epitome of the wickedest of the human condition. They always take, they never give back, they always consume but never produce, they are a cancer to our entire race across the entire planet. We NEED to cut this tumor from our midst and start anew.


Give me a break. You sound like Al Sharpton and his root of all evil-the 'wealthy southern white man'. You 'cancer to the human race' are the ones who take out expensive loans and take a huge risks to build a project that gives the construction worker his pay.

Just how do you define this tumor to be cut out?

You can't-I didn't think so.


Really Al sharpton? I cant even begin to tell you how pathetic that is, I am as far from a demobot as you can get. I always talk about the good of capitalism, when it is applied correctly, but it isnt being applied correctly, the game is rigged, this is a casino where the dealers are stacking the deck.

If the system were being properly used they wouldnt have allowed 20 million illegals to come in and by default drop the average wage of many once good paying jobs. They would let businesses that are failing die off so a business that is not failing can take its place. (TOO BIG TO FAIL ANYONE)

Instead they let them drive their business and the economy into the ground, then steal outright over a trillion dollars from Americans 401k accounts, then they gave them a trillion dollars for doing it.

After this all happened they did the QE3 where they bought their own debt, artificially inflating the stock market, which once again only helped these same swine further inflate their bloated bank accounts. Be real, the average joe is not even minimally invested in the stock market, only the wealthy are. This move just like all the others only served to further enrich them at the price of the little guy.

As far as a fix goes......I lol at you, I can and have proposed many times methods would fix this entire problem.

For the sake of argument though, here goes again for the millionth time.

Human greed is the problem, those with much more than anyone could ever need still feel they need more, to fill the giant empty hole at their core, they are soulless after all, having never cared about anyone else but themselves, or anything beyond their own greed.

So we remove greed from the equation permanently, we make all businesses over X size ( as far as profits go) pay a minimum of 50% of that money to their hourly employees, this would keep the worker in the loop at all times, thus stopping future problems with the workers being priced out of the market, thus giving stability to the economy at all times.

As businesses do well so do their workers, as they do bad, so do their workers. Thus workers are given the reins to their own success, if they are efficient and productive, the business does well and so do they, if not, then the business and they suffer.

Be real, the tax payers should not be paying walmart hundreds of millions a year. They couldnt even exist without food stamps, as nobody would work there if they couldnt even feed themselves with the pay. Walmart makes hundreds of millions in profits a year by not paying their workers enough to eat on, so the tax payer has to feed them.

If a business has workers on welfare their business model is flawed, it needs to die out. Not be propped up by the tax payer while they reap outrageous returns

This one single step would end the need for welfare for anyone willing to work, thus relieving the tax payer of the burden of paying these giant corps hundreds of millions a year in profits.

This would also end the need for a minimum wage, as this never actually helps anyone.

Bob makes minimum wage, which is not enough to live on, John makes 1/4 above the minimum wage and he can live just fine. so they raise the water line and put Bob and John at the same level, now neither makes enough to live on.

Raising the minimum wage only creates more poor people, it doesnt raise a single poor person out of poverty.
It just brings those above the poverty line down to it.

With one single step as pointed out, I could end welfare for almost everyone, and end the need to keep raising the minimum wage.

Walmart makes enough profits to pay their workers better, they should, they dont because the tax payers allow them not to by feeding their employees.

Any business that cant fit this bill needs to die anyways, and let a business that can grow and take their place.

Free market economics, works quite well when not overly manipulated like it is right now. Stop feeding walmarts employees with food stamps, they will all quit because it is worthless to work 40 hours just to starve, walmart will either die like it should, or pay alot better like it can and should.

Problem solved.

Now I believe you owe me an apology for that Al Sharpton remark.


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posted on Feb, 9 2014 @ 08:54 AM
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Everyone calls capitalism evil?

Well guess what. You don't know capitalism. No one does. It hasn't been allowed to exist for a very long time, longer than anyone we know has been alive.

Is it pure and blameless in its pure form? No, but it does allow people, individual people, to strive, try and create as they are capable of doing, to hire as they need and not as anyone else not related to their situation dictates must be done.

Start introducing outside imposed rules and the system starts becoming less and less like capitalism. Start skewing the game in ways you think are going to be beneficial, and you start opening up loopholes that can be exploited and pretty soon there are a whole new category of haves and have nots and cried of "unfair."

Well, guess what? Life isn't fair. Not even nature is fair.



posted on Feb, 9 2014 @ 08:54 AM
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AGREED!!!!!

Just changing the tax structure so it isnt more profitable to treat your employees like trash would go a long way. How hard is any of this stuff to see? It seems to be quite obvious to many, too bad all those elected are bought and paid for by the same people treating their employees this way.



posted on Feb, 9 2014 @ 08:59 AM
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ketsuko
Everyone calls capitalism evil?

Well guess what. You don't know capitalism. No one does. It hasn't been allowed to exist for a very long time, longer than anyone we know has been alive.

Is it pure and blameless in its pure form? No, but it does allow people, individual people, to strive, try and create as they are capable of doing, to hire as they need and not as anyone else not related to their situation dictates must be done.

Start introducing outside imposed rules and the system starts becoming less and less like capitalism. Start skewing the game in ways you think are going to be beneficial, and you start opening up loopholes that can be exploited and pretty soon there are a whole new category of haves and have nots and cried of "unfair."

Well, guess what? Life isn't fair. Not even nature is fair.


Beautiful, I couldnt agree more, my post above yours is in regards to the current market, if it was as you describe, I would totally delete my previous post.

Too bad, they took the best known engine of prosperity known to man in all his history and twisted it until only they can win.

I say take all the regulations off and it run wild, it will sort itself out in less than ten years and the entire economy would stabilize, with a good mix of rich poor and a giant middle class, unlike now with very few rich a lot of poor, and ever fewer in the middle class.



posted on Feb, 9 2014 @ 10:17 AM
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antar
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And hunger does not always look like one is starving. One can starve nutritionally while the body grows weaker and fatter, the body's defense against starvation is to store qw when there is not proper nutrients in the diet. Oh I could go on about this subject. More proud people are going without good healthy options and settling for filler foods.


You have an excellent point there and it's one people largely miss when comparing American poverty to world wide poverty. America's poor people often share an embarrassing trait for the circumstances. They aren't simply a little overweight. They are outright fat. How do you GET fat as a poor person? Well..I heard more than one jerk during Occupy commenting on how well fed all the protesters looked, standing on the edge of camp looking in...and ignorant as anyone could imagine, IMO.

We have openly obese people among the poor for the very reason you state there.... "Food" isn't nutritional at poor levels. It's filling. Fat filling. It makes you FEEL fed...but you get little more than fat from it. So..we end up with overweight poverty that, oddly, suffers diseases related to malnutrition more often than one might ever want to admit.



posted on Feb, 9 2014 @ 12:01 PM
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Very well said, also to add is that some very simple fixes to this dilemma could be part of the whole foodstamp program. USDA used to pass out government cheese and the like, but it would be just as as easy to supplement with fresh food that sits often u8ntil it rots in the fields and even warehouses.

If you are familiar with the WICK program where lactating mothers are issued vouchers for specific foods such as eggs, milk, baby formula, approved cereals and even fresh produce such as carrots, this would come closer to helping uneducated parents what they should and should not feed their families and children.

Example of a one months supply would include things such as protein rich foods like tofu, temphe, beef, pork and chicken, fish, and then whole grains, beans and legumes. Fresh, frozen and canned fruits, vegetables. Then yogurts, cheese, milk, juices. Pasta, and breads as well as flour.

I dont know kind of got off track there, but you know what I mean? I worked as a cashier at one time and was sickened by the welfare purchases, wont derail but it was scary to see what these starving kids were going to eat for a week or so and then probably go without for the most part for the rest of the month, things like soda, chips, frozen pizzas, candy, icecream and the likes.

When health food is a hot dog or hamburger, for some folks, it is just pathetic.

I feel so strongly about this subject but know that education is paramount to any real and lasting change, not just statistics and shame. I am an awful person because I also think that people who are on Federal stamps should be drug tested before approved and take classes on food purchasing and meal planning on a limited/sub poverty budget.



posted on Feb, 9 2014 @ 12:18 PM
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I'm part of the unemployed in the US. I get my benefits cut off in 2 months. I don't know what to do. I just got my GED so that's a plus. I have no vehicle, it was stolen a while back and haven't had the money to get a new one. I had a job until November working as a furniture delivery man for a small deliver company, but they gave my job to their son in law who quit his job as a truck driver, to work for them making less money while.... driving a truck. It makes no frickin sense. He said he had to work too many hours at his other job, but the truck I worked on we literally work 70+ hours a week. So he quit a higher paying job where he worked less hours and took my job. I feel like the guys on south park yelling "they took our jobs!"

I wish I knew what to do, I feel lost at this point. I live in the middle of nowhere Oklahoma, my entire family is basically poor and live paycheck to paycheck. I don't do drugs, I don't drink ( a lot), im smart, young, and just cant find a job. No work is below me, ive done pretty crappy jobs for minimum wage.. anyways im rambling.

I know there are many more people like me out there. The situation looks bleak for us all.


Oh and as far as the morons with food stamps who buy junk food, yeah ive seen it. I saw this 300lb whale of a woman with 3 kids in walmart on the 1st with 2 shopping carts full of microwaveable meals.
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posted on Feb, 9 2014 @ 12:30 PM
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Bundy
I'm part of the unemployed in the US. I get my benefits cut off in 2 months. I don't know what to do. I just got my GED so that's a plus. I have no vehicle, it was stolen a while back and haven't had the money to get a new one. I had a job until November working as a furniture delivery man for a small deliver company, but they gave my job to their son in law who quit his job as a truck driver, to work for them making less money while.... driving a truck. It makes no frickin sense. He said he had to work too many hours at his other job, but the truck I worked on we literally work 70+ hours a week. So he quit a higher paying job where he worked less hours and took my job. I feel like the guys on south park yelling "they took our jobs!"

I wish I knew what to do, I feel lost at this point. I live in the middle of nowhere Oklahoma, my entire family is basically poor and live paycheck to paycheck. I don't do drugs, I don't drink ( a lot), im smart, young, and just cant find a job. No work is below me, ive done pretty crappy jobs for minimum wage.. anyways im rambling.

I know there are many more people like me out there. The situation looks bleak for us all.


Oh and as far as the morons with food stamps who buy junk food, yeah ive seen it. I saw this 300lb whale of a woman with 3 kids in walmart on the 1st with 2 shopping carts full of microwaveable meals.
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You are not alone, there are literally millions of people unemployed and most who are employed are living paycheck to paycheck. Also there are a lot of people with multiple family members out of work and needing help. I know several people who are the only ones working in their families. It sucks because you know if you lose your job the whole house of cards can go off a cliff and everyone is depending on you. Not a good way to live and definitely not " the pursuit of happiness". Just stay strong and ride it out.



posted on Feb, 9 2014 @ 12:37 PM
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Yup many people. It seems like they want to create as many obstacles as possible. Everyone is competeing for the same jobs so one HR person has too come in and make the jobs harder to get to make it look like their hiring better candidates increasing the companies bottomline by decreasing risk.

Then another company sees what that company is doing so they have to do the same thing.

Then no-one can get a job or there is a lack of skilled workers and entry level jobs are now manager level positions just to move a box from point A to B.

Then theres, background check, clean driving record even if the job doesn't require driving, credit check, 3 stages of interviews, 300 other people applying, and who knows what else.



posted on Feb, 9 2014 @ 12:39 PM
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The problem is that most people don't know how to cook for themselves.

Those things you list require self prep in order to be edible for the most.

The microwavable convenience meals do not, and that's what a lot of the obese poor are buying.

There is also the matter of not being able to do simple math. They see the price - That whole fryer looks really expensive at about $6 as compared to six Banquet pot pies or TV dinners, but by the time you cook the fryer in any number of casseroles or soups and spread it out over so many meals, you are spending about the same if not less for a nutritionally more healthy meal.

But all a lot of people see if the quantity they can buy for the price. They don't make good food choices.

WIC can only show them ideas, but it can't teach them those skills of math, analytical thinking, meal planning and preparation.



posted on Feb, 9 2014 @ 12:45 PM
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Well first off they shouldnt be forcing them to take certain foods that should be left up to choice.

Wic saved my ass a few times growing up as it did my brother and sister.



posted on Feb, 9 2014 @ 12:47 PM
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I didn't say anything about forcing anyone to buy anything. I was just pointing out why you see so many poor people who are buying the wrong things.

We squeeze every penny out of our grocery budget, and we always have a calculator with us. We actually do math when we shop. How many other people do you see who do that?
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posted on Feb, 9 2014 @ 12:47 PM
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ketsuko
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Well what do you expect people to do?

We're already budgeted tightly enough that our weekly grocery budget is $100 for three people. Do the math. That's the SNAP challenge, so we're really not living much better than anyone on food stamps.

But, OK, I guess we're greedy because we're fortunate enough to have jobs, and we need to give up even more in taxes to support everyone else ...

Where does that end? How much food comes out of my child's mouth (well mine really because I don't starve my son) in order to satisfy your need to feel that I'm not being greedy because I have a job?


As i said I don't have the answers. I can say you missed my point. Most that are getting help are working and trying to make it. They would love to have hundred a week for food. They have nothing a week for food. Family of three gets 150 a month in food stamps for the month and that is going to cut again.

Their kids don't eat during the day unless they are in school. I am saying let's stop helping the rest of the world and put that money into helping our own people. Military spends 4 billion a month in Afghanistan. We spend billions in aid to other countries around the world. Now we can start talking about waste in spending. Millions in waste like Worm farming research and other silly things.

Put this money to work here at home. Raise the minimum wage. Like you are not going to pay quarter more for hamburger. If you want a hamburger you are going to buy it. We can do this.

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