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1929 Stock Market chart update, coincidence or something else

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posted on Feb, 6 2014 @ 08:31 PM
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This is common in markets it's called trending. The markets will move up then down. Although we will see this again and again it does give us a good inclination for which rally's and falls we should keep both eyes on to keep a crash from happening again. From what I heard I could find links but I'm mobile but they just reduced the chance for a severe market fall in 2014 to pretty low chance. There was a pretty high chance of a "crash" coming into the new year and Jan but it seems it won't come to fruition.




posted on Feb, 6 2014 @ 08:33 PM
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buster2010

benrl
Heres my Question;


IF the crash occurs AGAIN, and there is another "Great depression" triggered.


Are we finally going to say enough, and kick BOTH Parties that got us here out of office?

Anyone who currently holds office should be out on the streets for the Current state of this nation,


Every time someone sees a "rep" or "dem" running, by all right we should be laughing our assess off saying "not those A-holes again"

BUT nooooooo we all have to have a Sports team, and we stick by them no matter how #ty they are dont we...


By this point, Anyone who bangs their Two party drum makes me sick.


Jesse Ventura was in an interview when they asked him if he was going to run for president and said that even though you can get in the running if you can't get into the debates then you have no chance of winning. And he is right most people here in the states most people think we only have two parties. And it's thanks to the media that people think that way how many times do they talk about candidates from other parties.




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posted on Feb, 6 2014 @ 08:37 PM
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Cynic
reply to post by 19KTankCommander
 


I rest my case. Look at where things are now vs. 2008
We are still much improved from then and then some.
Sell now, I am ready to buy.
(BTW, I have been in the industry over 35 years and happen to know of what I speak).


Please nobody listen to this fool. If you are long in stocks, now is the time to GET OUT. Go to cash if you can. If you have to be in the market get into commodities or go short with Contra ETFs or something. Being long right now makes absolutely no sense except to those who want to make money off you. Most won't even tell you that you can make money when the market or a stock loses value. They just call you and sell you whatever their boss tells them too. I'll bet you dollars to donuts, Mr. 35 Years up there is a broker. He wants folks to stay in, keep the game going so he can make more off you. Brokers only get paid when you invest. Unplug if you can, go short if you can't. That is what I'd be doing right now. That is not financial advice, just my own observations and what I'd be doing if I were still in. I got out right before the 2008 crash, luckily for me, but I watched all those around me lose pretty much half their wealth. Some of you lost a bunch too I'm sure.

Think about it, how long can this BULL(S***) market last? The wheels are already starting to come off. We have lost a thousand points give or take in the last month. That should tell you something. In the last year the DOW has gained give or take 2600 points and we lost 1000 of them in a month. Again, does that scream safe and secure to you? Not so much to me.

With the Market at historic all-time highs and real unemployment (not the BS they shill on the news) at an all-time high you'd have to be crazy to think that these two elements can co-exist in a healthy market. The market, regularly loses hundreds of points in a day and nobody even blinks. The market is completely rigged by High Frequency Trading software that gets its information seconds and in some cases minutes before you do. And that's if you pay for your own feed. If you rely on websites like MarketWatch, Big Charts or Yahoo finance or whatever for your quotes, you are swinging after the pitch is already in the catchers glove. Individual investors are being sucked dry by the big boys and they keep pumping fake money into the machine to make it look like everything is all right. Look at the stock valuations for Facebook and Twitter. How? How are these companies that make no money worth billions and billions of dollars? How can it be? Because its fake. They are propped up with taxpayer dollars so the NSA can get you to pay for the data they collect on you. Sure there are a few fools who actually invest in SpaceBook and Twit, but on the whole these companies are fully funded by the elite and their unlimited wealth. (I.E., your tax dollars.) Look at the Bank bailouts, the GM bailout and so forth. How is it that our market is in the best shape its EVER been when none of these companies have money? Why is HSBC limiting cash withdrawals? If they are financially sound, it should be business as usual, eh? Not so much. I have been looking at this chart comparison for years and reading financial blogs like urbansurvival dot com where they discuss what is really happening. Do some research for yourself. Make up your own mind, and please don't take advice from this guy. He doesn't know what the market will do tomorrow any more than you or I do. If he was really who he says he is he can make money in any trend. Up, down whatever. If you know the market all you need is a change, bad or good to make money. Why does he so desperately need you to believe he is right? Why is he not encouraging you to do your own research? Because then he'd be out of a job. Think for yourselves folks. You'd be surprised how often you are right. That is what my measly 19 years in the industry has taught me. Thank God I'm not a blood-sucking broker.



posted on Feb, 6 2014 @ 08:46 PM
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Here we go again...The only reason why we went to 177 from 184 was because of foreign markets. This IS noise. There is still increasing demand for stocks at these levels. When people were calling for the test of the 200 day at 174 couple days ago i was buying. if we test the 200 day I will buy. I will buy all the way til 169. That is where I would reassess. i've bought from 175.20 to 174. we will test the 184 level again. some time next month i'd imagine. or after opex. At these levels you're not buying. You'd wait for the numbers tomorrow morning. Either way i'm prepared for this. I'd imagine that we'd test the 200 day soon. haven't really seen buying by algos yet. we'll know tomorrow. but quit fear mongering. if you do wanna buy at these levels go for it. but have a stop set.



posted on Feb, 6 2014 @ 09:14 PM
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What most people forget is that about 2 years after 1929, in 1931, there was an even bigger market crash that gets almost totally ignored by the history books.

I was just looking at some of the data from that time period and actually it was all part of the same crash. From mid 1929 to mid 1932 there was one big crash happening. This means that the chart presented by the OP in this thread actually only shows the very first part of the crash but it cuts off the majority of the crash. There was a little bit of a recovery starting about 1930 which the OP's chart shows at the end, but after that it continued to fall all the way down to a low of 41.22. So if these two trends continue to follow each other it could get much lower than 13000 over the next few years. The following chart shows the full extent of the crash. I have highlighted the area which I believe is plotted in the OP's graph:



And here's another interesting chart from the same source which plots DJIA data from 2000 up to 2014. You can't see it in this chart, but there is a steep run up before the small crash in 2002. Then there's another steep run up all the way until 2008 and that's when the 08 crash happened obviously. Then we have the most recent run up which is following the same exact trend. Every crash is worse then the one before it, there's an increasing oscillation effect happening which is following a very predictable trend (as the red slope indicates). We are now basically at the peak of this latest run up, in fact the most recent data indicates that we are past the peak and are now beginning to head back down the mountain.


edit on 6/2/2014 by ChaoticOrder because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 6 2014 @ 10:22 PM
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Please correct me if i´m wrong. If the stockmarket collapses once more (sooner or later) would that be a great moment to invest in stocks? (that is if you have some savings of course).



posted on Feb, 7 2014 @ 03:51 AM
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I think the cause of the similar dynamics of the DJIA in the periods [1928, 1929] and [2012, now] is that the market is in a specific state of self-organized criticality. One can see this in the characteristics of the fluctuations before reaching the peak, i.e. they show a log-periodicity, a discrete scale invariance.
I plottet the DJIA for the two periods and aligned the time series so that the peaks align optimally. The result:



Based on the DJIA behaviour starting from 1928 one can predict two dates:
- First crash: March 16, 2014
- Second crash (global minimum of the function): May 12, 2016

Let's see what will happen.
I will update my prediction in a few weeks based on the new DJIA data then available.

PS: Here is a nice paper about discrete scale invariance present in economic dynamics -> arxiv.org...



posted on Feb, 7 2014 @ 08:23 AM
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ChaoticOrder

And, as one other poster said, there are far more safety nets in place now to prevent another collapse

I love all these people talking about how modern day "safety nets" will stop any collapse from happening. I stand in awe at your faith in the system. What complete nonsense... how well did those safety nets stop the 2008 collapse? Sure the system is much more complex with more fail safe mechanisms, but more complexity is not always a good thing. In fact it could even make the situation worse, like a complex house of cards. Back in 1929 they didn't have to deal with all the complications of the modern day economy, it was simpler to understand what was happening and it was simpler to rebuild it and get back to a stable point.



Read up on the history of the world, in particular economics. Even better, sleep with it under your pillow. Perhaps the knowledge will seep into your head.



posted on Feb, 7 2014 @ 02:59 PM
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Ive been reading about this global collapse for years now and i really think you can do worse than just get on with life i could have spent the past 4 years #ting myself and still it happened.
Browsing this forum ww3,the return of the annunaki and fukishima will probably all kills us before a global collapses does.
Sorry to be abrupt but i think perhaps doomporn has run away with a fair percentage of ats members ill bet im sat on my front porch in 40years time and still half this sheeit hasnt come to fruition.

Side note why is ats so bad for these #ty adverts and taking me to the app store every other click! Or is that a conspiracy too.....



posted on Feb, 7 2014 @ 03:17 PM
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Gotta love the system shills poo pooing OP's charts,this chart is thought to be significant by Thomas Demark his business has 40 years experience in predicting market trends and recommending aquisition timing to investors with more money than anybody posting on these boards,if he thinks its relevant then I am paying attention.

I am no financial guru but I am a respectable student of history the last country to taper a QE program was Japan its stockmarket collapsed over a period and it spent two decades in the financial wilderness and the last time there was a lot of free money in the US economy and easy credit was 1928-9,even if in the next month or so nothing happens a lot of mistakes are being repeated and the end result is the wheels will fall of the bus sooner or later.



posted on Feb, 7 2014 @ 04:05 PM
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Wheels could pop off any bus anytime,lets worry about it when they do people spend too much time worrying



posted on Feb, 7 2014 @ 04:21 PM
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"Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it."

Those economists who watch it close enough can repeat it even closer.
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posted on Feb, 7 2014 @ 07:56 PM
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Well those numbers were crap. But we took off! lmao! gotta love this market. anyhow demand increased today and the algos started buying 3 hours into the market open. i took half of my initial position from the 175-174 level only because i saw heavy but i mean heavy buying of VXX by algos. and there was a huge increase in demand for the vxx as well. either we're getting bad news over the weekend or we're heading lower next week or this is someone covering a huge a short position. like i said though FEAR MONGERING! if you're not in the market and you're posting in this thread doom gtfo.



posted on Feb, 7 2014 @ 08:53 PM
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Cynic
Read up on the history of the world, in particular economics. Even better, sleep with it under your pillow. Perhaps the knowledge will seep into your head.

Awesome retort my friend. *rolls eyes*



posted on Feb, 8 2014 @ 10:09 AM
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the problem with the graph is the percentages don't add up!
If you look at both sides of the cart and go to the top of the
chart we see 18,000 in the present or left side and 400 on the
right or 1929 time frame so if we look down to where we see
the 200 which is at 50% of the graphs representation and we
look across from that to the present we only see 13,500 where
we should see 9,000 for this to be an accurate measure!
As far as the ups and downs on the chart I will give you a similarity
which can be chalked up to the ups and downs of the market
during any time if we manipulate percentages! Though I'm not
saying the markets are not due to crash soon because I believe
the fed is at the end of their rope and soon to fall fast! Can they
print enough rope to hang us all?



posted on Feb, 9 2014 @ 11:39 AM
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There is a HUGE meltdown coming our way.....watching a Robert Reich video that my husband brought home from the library (he is a republican BTW)

The overall economic stats look like a suspension bridge and at the peaks of both ends the dates match 1929 crash and 2008 crash....I say these charts shown by OP is correct and we need to pull out of markets for a while...at least the regular non-rich people should.

Why go down with the rich greedy people.

Robert Reich "Inequality for All" check it out before judging the chart the OP showed us....




edit on 9-2-2014 by Kissyface because: mispelled



posted on Feb, 9 2014 @ 12:57 PM
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ChaoticOrder

Cynic
Read up on the history of the world, in particular economics. Even better, sleep with it under your pillow. Perhaps the knowledge will seep into your head.

Awesome retort my friend. *rolls eyes*


I simply considered the source and responded accordingly.



posted on Feb, 9 2014 @ 05:17 PM
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I think we need to keep this thread open and updated for the foreseeable future.

Great information.



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