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So Long, Cigs: Michelle Obama Praises CVS For Pulling Tobacco

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posted on Feb, 5 2014 @ 04:54 PM
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I disagree... A business has the right to discriminate against any group of people no matter the topic if it so chooses.
People even have a right to boycott said business and express their displeasure vocally.

The only time when it should become an actual issue... Is when Government tries to do it.




posted on Feb, 5 2014 @ 04:54 PM
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I don't understand why a large corporation exercising their right to carry what they want is a "liberal agenda" thing. Isn't it ironic that anti-liberals are the ones saying they shouldn't do this? Shouldn't you be supporting their decision? I bet if they were choosing not to sell birth control, those same people would be saying "it's their damned right!"



posted on Feb, 5 2014 @ 04:56 PM
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You may think it is "lip" service but you are wrong.


Wrong ?

How so they STILL SELL alcohol, they still sell diet pills, the still sell high fructose corn syrup soft drinks,candy bars, and chips.

If they were actually walking their talk they would ban all those, and stop selling them.

They aren't.




Diet pills... Ahh, err? Diet pills have been linked to deaths?


Yeah

Products like this:

www.huffingtonpost.com...




Diet pills are consumed more than junk food, alcohol and cigarettes?


It is a 40 billion dollar industry.



Americans spend $40 billion a year on weight-loss programs and products. T


www.businessweek.com...




Now how in all of it... Did you not address the PRIMARY death dealer??? Pharmaceutical drugs?


Already did on page one.



posted on Feb, 5 2014 @ 04:58 PM
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reply to post by muse7
 


People who have a constitutional right to carry guns are. . . um. . . people.

Smokers are. . . oh what's the word?. . . people.

True, if they don't like it, they can go somewhere else.

But that should apply in all cases, not just cases that don't support a progressive agenda.



posted on Feb, 5 2014 @ 04:58 PM
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We aren't allowed to choose our poison anymore. They want us on medications that dope you then kill you. Cigarettes are notropics so they make you smarter while kill you. But they also protect you from some chemical weapons. I guess they want everyone to live in fear.



posted on Feb, 5 2014 @ 04:59 PM
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Oh that's nice smokers get hit again. In an EPIC boneheaded move that wreaks of nothing, but the progressive agenda.


Boneheaded is alluding to attempts to end the slavery of cigarette addiction as a communist plot.



posted on Feb, 5 2014 @ 05:00 PM
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Cuervo
reply to post by neo96
 


I don't understand why a large corporation exercising their right to carry what they want is a "liberal agenda" thing. Isn't it ironic that anti-liberals are the ones saying they shouldn't do this? Shouldn't you be supporting their decision? I bet if they were choosing not to sell birth control, those same people would be saying "it's their damned right!"



It's a "liberal agenda thing" because of this as quoted in the OP-




a move swiftly embraced by President Barack Obama and the first lady on Wednesday as a step that would save lives and promote good health.


That and the fact that the liberals want to ban e-cigs for some reason, don't ask me why..

It SHOULDN'T be a "liberal thing", but this president and his wife like to poke their nose into every little issue while his minions cheer and praise him. It's pretty freakin freaky and weird if you ask me.
edit on 5-2-2014 by Wookiep because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 5 2014 @ 05:00 PM
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Cuervo
reply to post by neo96
 


I don't understand why a large corporation exercising their right to carry what they want is a "liberal agenda" thing. Isn't it ironic that anti-liberals are the ones saying they shouldn't do this? Shouldn't you be supporting their decision? I bet if they were choosing not to sell birth control, those same people would be saying "it's their damned right!"


Their business. Their right.

I just enjoy the hypocrisy of the left that applauds this, but hates on Hobby Lobby or that bakery in Colorado.

Oh yeah, they also applauded that restaurant chain that said no guns. Then it was their business, their right.

And I agreed.

But many failed to see the blatant hypocrisy there either.



posted on Feb, 5 2014 @ 05:01 PM
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Kali74
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Trust me as a Socialist it does not get any funnier than when Conservatives get all mad at a corporation and over such ridiculous things and are completely silent and worshipful when they exploit millions of people. If you understood one goddamned thing about Socialism you would also understand that businesses can sell or say or not sell and not say anything they like.


Exploitation of the people ?

Like them big pharma state mandated birth control pills, and free homes,free cell phones, free education, free everything, robbing from the rich so the less rich can go out and buy all the corporate products their hearts desire.

That is damn right hysterical at the 'socialist's' corporate fascism, and how it flies in the face of saying their belief in 'evolution' where they clearly don't.

Social engineering the environment to suit the individual. Instead of the individual EVOLVING.

I understand socialism quite well.

Greed and materialism with just a slighter hipper rap.

Back to the topic.
edit on 5-2-2014 by neo96 because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 5 2014 @ 05:02 PM
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Yeah the trend in both of the cases that got "lambasted" is that people don't applaud discrimination and the shoving of religion down other people's throat.

Guns cannot be discriminated against, and neither can cigarettes .

Guns and Cigarettes are not people

A business has every right to decide what THING it lets inside it's doors.

But once that business decides which people it serves and which it doesn't then it's a whole different story.


BS

Selling gay marriges and abortions are also products.

As such a buisness has the right to refuse to sell either.

You dont have to like it but you should sure as hell put up with it.



posted on Feb, 5 2014 @ 05:02 PM
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Cuervo
reply to post by neo96
 


I don't understand why a large corporation exercising their right to carry what they want is a "liberal agenda" thing. Isn't it ironic that anti-liberals are the ones saying they shouldn't do this? Shouldn't you be supporting their decision? I bet if they were choosing not to sell birth control, those same people would be saying "it's their damned right!"


What is not to understand about the 'liberal agenda' ?

It is the antithesis of liberalism.

That has exactly zero freedom.



posted on Feb, 5 2014 @ 05:06 PM
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beezzer
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People who have a constitutional right to carry guns are. . . um. . . people.

Smokers are. . . oh what's the word?. . . people.

True, if they don't like it, they can go somewhere else.

But that should apply in all cases, not just cases that don't support a progressive agenda.


Nobody ever said a business should be able to refuse service to gun owners just because they're gun owners. Gun owners are welcome in any establishment. It may be that the GUNS aren't allowed in.

I don't see CVS refusing to allow smokers into their stores just because they are smokers. Smokers are welcome to come in purchase all the prescription drugs they want.

But a business refusing to do business with a gay person simply because they are gay is a totally different story - and you know that.



posted on Feb, 5 2014 @ 05:06 PM
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Yes wrong...
Lip service is saying one thing and doing another that isn't in the direction of what was stated.

They chose to stop selling cigarettes based on their beliefs.
They never said: "We are no longer going to sell anything that can kill you".

In regards to diet pills and the industry;


A total of twenty nine cases of liver failure and acute hepatitis have been reported in Hawaii in the last six months, all of them linked to dietary supplements. The Department of Health had been reluctant to pinpoint any specific supplement in the past, but now acknowledges that at least 24 of the patients reported using OxyELITE Pro before being hospitalized.

Source: HuffPost: OxyELITE Pro

So a single product had 29 reported linked cases to liver failure... Of which, 1 resulted in death.
I wouldn't call that a cause for concern... Hell, even CDC have a minimum infected (and death) number before they get involved unless specifically called.



It is a 40 billion dollar industry.

It may be a $40B industry, but that $40B isn't on Diet Pills... Most of it goes into Books, Foods, Supplements, Businesses (Gyms, Spas) et c.

And you haven't addressed Pharmaceutical drugs... I went back through all your posts in this thread to make sure.
You don't mention them ONCE.
The only time the part of the word ("pharma"), used by you is in description that the company is a pharmacy.

edit on 5/2/2014 by Sovaka because: Spelling



posted on Feb, 5 2014 @ 05:09 PM
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Well, in response to the OP, it actually doesn't make any sense at all for a pharmaceutical company to sell cigarettes.

Pharmacies are in the business of promoting health and healthy lifestyle choices, and cigarettes are not part of this in any way at all.

You think it's all part of some liberal agenda because someone decided to stop selling cigarettes? Are your beliefs in your right wing agenda that fragile that even the simple stopping of selling a certain product is a threat?



posted on Feb, 5 2014 @ 05:10 PM
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Wookiep

Cuervo
reply to post by neo96
 


I don't understand why a large corporation exercising their right to carry what they want is a "liberal agenda" thing. Isn't it ironic that anti-liberals are the ones saying they shouldn't do this? Shouldn't you be supporting their decision? I bet if they were choosing not to sell birth control, those same people would be saying "it's their damned right!"



It's a "liberal agenda thing" because of this as quoted in the OP-




a move swiftly embraced by President Barack Obama and the first lady on Wednesday as a step that would save lives and promote good health.


That and the fact that the liberals want to ban e-cigs for some reason, don't ask me why..

It SHOULDN'T be a "liberal thing", but this president and his wife like to poke their nose into every little issue while his minions cheer and praise him. It's pretty freakin freaky and weird if you ask me.
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So because a retail chain decided to practice their freedom of commerce, it becomes a "liberal" thing just because a liberal puts her stamp of approval on it?

I think it's a dumb decision but nobody made them do it. As far as the E-cigs getting hate, that's not a strictly democrat thing, either. I'm a nicotine enthusiast so I'm biased but that doesn't make me blind to the health cost of tobacco or the ignorance of old politicians who can't read studies on nicotine vapors.

Bottom line, they made a business decision and I guess we will all see the results soon enough.



posted on Feb, 5 2014 @ 05:10 PM
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kaylaluv

beezzer
reply to post by muse7
 


People who have a constitutional right to carry guns are. . . um. . . people.

Smokers are. . . oh what's the word?. . . people.

True, if they don't like it, they can go somewhere else.

But that should apply in all cases, not just cases that don't support a progressive agenda.


Nobody ever said a business should be able to refuse service to gun owners just because they're gun owners. Gun owners are welcome in any establishment. It may be that the GUNS aren't allowed in.

I don't see CVS refusing to allow smokers into their stores just because they are smokers. Smokers are welcome to come in purchase all the prescription drugs they want.

But a business refusing to do business with a gay person simply because they are gay is a totally different story - and you know that.


They have that right based upon their religious beliefs.

Or is freedom to practice religion now gone?

I don't know. I was busy today.



posted on Feb, 5 2014 @ 05:12 PM
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Depends.
If its selling non gay products then no excuse.

If your itsselling a product that actively promotes the gay lifestyle then no it should be a choice for the buisness owner.



posted on Feb, 5 2014 @ 05:12 PM
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Well, in response to the OP, it actually doesn't make any sense at all for a pharmaceutical company to sell cigarettes.


It is not a 'pharmaceutical company'. That would imply that is the only thing they sell.

They are a retail outlet that has federal license to sell pharmaceuticals, and other things.

They also have a federal license to sell Tobacco, and Alcohol.



posted on Feb, 5 2014 @ 05:14 PM
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No... They are allowed to refuse service to anyone that owns a firearm.

But unless they are carrying, how would they know?
Would they institute a questionnaire at the front door?

How could they tell if someone lied?



posted on Feb, 5 2014 @ 05:15 PM
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Well most of you are kind of missing the OP's point here. YES it is the companies choice to not sell cigarettes for various reasons, unless things like this get some opposition, soon your precious capitalistic freedoms will soon become "socialist" much like many policies of your historically socialistic neighbours to the north Canada.

Our businesses were NOT given the choice to sell or not sell tobacco! They were told by LAW that they cannot sell. Yet, go into any major drugstore chain and you'll see tonnes of unhealthy stuff being peddled. From junk food, diet pills, animal tested makeup, etc. etc...

If you want the U.S to tread near socialist waters, you're gov't is doing a great job!



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