Originally posted by D34d10ck
I know for a fact Bush is a member of the S&B

Because it's a known fact and he's never denied it.

which is an Illuminatist offshoot of Freemasonry.

Actually, it has nothing to do with either. The dissolution of the Illuminati predates the founding of Skull and Bones by almost 50 years.

As for your other "facts" that supposedly disprove the information here they are all bogus or lies.

Then pick one and debunk it. Just shouting "NUH-UH!" with your fingers in your ears stops being a useful debate tactic around the age of eleven.

I would suggest you take a "Big Picture" look at what constitutes a freemason.

A Freemason is someone entered, passed and raised within a regular lodge of Master Masons. There is no other definition.

I mean admittedly you say you don't know what a mason in waiting is

He "doesn't know what one is" because they don't exist. It's a ruse to shoehorn non-Masons into anti-Masonic theories.

how would you know who is or isn't a freemason.

Their signature would be among the attendance records of a regular lodge.

Most of the membership is highly secretive

See above. This is another anti-Masonic ruse to fill in holes in their theories.

So with that in mind who are you to say they were or weren't masons?

Without evidence for the former, the only position to take from anyone with investigative integrity is the latter. Unfortunately, the qualifier I had to use there excludes most conspiracy theorists.

The subject of this thread is trying to uncover their conspiracy which maybe not you, but most of the More Intelligent people across the globe are trying to do right now. If you don't believe you are either ignorant.... or just don't have YOUR facts straight. I say this because I know hundreds of people like you. I call them ostriches.

And here we have it: if you don't agree with his theory, you just don't want the truth. Brought to you by the people willing to use every little unknown or each 1% in "99% positive" as proof their theory exists.

P.S The S&B is not tied into freemasonry

Fixed it for you.

more like an offshoot of the group that changed it from what it originally was.

Then, by definition, Skull and Bones cannot be Masonic.

If you want to know the true roots of freemasonry do your own research.

Ah, the old "I'm not here to do your research, which is why I won't post any of my positions regarding the topic." Sort of a conspiracy theorist's Get Out of Having My Theory Shot to Hell Free card.

Be careful with that research as it can be dangerous.

Of course it is. That's why you won't let anyone know what you think about it.

What people are saying about this is for the greater part true and if we don't wake up our country going bankrupt is just the tip of the iceberg.

And that's the sad part. What's being done to our country is explicitly stated in publicly available documentation, and conspiracy theorists don't care because they're chasing dead Germans.