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Evolution drives, and is driven by, demography. A genotype moulds its phenotype’s age patterns of mortality and fertility in an environment; these two patterns in turn determine the genotype’s fitness in that environment. Hence, to understand the evolution of ageing, age patterns of mortality and reproduction need to be compared for species across the tree of life. However, few studies have done so and only for a limited range of taxa. Here we contrast standardized patterns over age for 11 mammals, 12 other vertebrates, 10 invertebrates, 12 vascular plants and a green alga. Although it has been predicted that evolution should inevitably lead to increasing mortality and declining fertility with age after maturity, there is great variation among these species, including increasing, constant, decreasing, humped and bowed trajectories for both long- and short-lived species. This diversity challenges theoreticians to develop broader perspectives on the evolution of ageing and empiricists to study the demography of more species.
New demographic data on humans, animals and plants for the first time unveil such an extraordinary diversity of aging processes that no existing evolutionary theory can account for. Both life spans and mortalities vary from species to species. The fact that the probability of dying rises with age applies to humans, but is not principally true. This is shown by a catalog of 46 species with their respective mortality and fertility rates . . .
Phage
Are you claiming that the question casts doubt on evolutionary theory? It doesn't. It is saying that there may be more aspects to evolutionary theory than just reproduction. It's a good proposal.
Why do human females live long after their ability to reproduce? Hmmm...let's see. Perhaps because they can contribute to the survival of others that still can. Perhaps they can rear to sexual maturity children of mothers who have died. For further study I would look at the tendency for socialization as an evolutionary advantage. A tribe with long lived females just might have a better chance of survival than a tribe with females which die before menopause.
No they aren't. Please point out where the article in question casts doubt on evolutionary theory.
Current models are definitely having doubt cast upon them.
What results? From the abstract of the source article:
This is why I said another institute should investigate this and see if they can reproduce the results.
A genotype moulds its phenotype’s age patterns of mortality and fertility in an environment; these two patterns in turn determine the genotype’s fitness in that environment.
I'm not sure what models you're talking about but evolutionary theory definitely has room to be expanded. But this in no way indicates that it is "wrong".
So if the models are not shown to account for this phenomena, then yes . . . the current incarnation of evolutionary theory would be wrong.
Phage
reply to post by FriedBabelBroccoli
No they aren't. Please point out where the article in question casts doubt on evolutionary theory.
Current models are definitely having doubt cast upon them.
This diversity challenges theoreticians to develop broader perspectives on the evolution of ageing and empiricists to study the demography of more species.
I'm not sure what models you're talking about but evolutionary theory definitely has room to be expanded. But this in no way indicates that it is "wrong".
No. Just asking how you came to the conclusion that the article indicates a "challenge".
Wow, already responding like your panties are in a wad Phage.
If the theory does not account for observed results and must be modified it is wrong . . . What more is so difficult to understand about that?
It works just fine and the article you've brought to our attention does not indicate that it doesn't.
Its not wrong we just need to change it to make it work
Although it has been predicted that evolution should inevitably lead to increasing mortality and declining fertility with age after maturity, there is great variation among these species, including increasing, constant, decreasing, humped and bowed trajectories for both long- and short-lived species. This diversity challenges theoreticians to develop broader perspectives on the evolution of ageing and empiricists to study the demography of more species.
I did read the abstract. Did you read the full paper?
I am going to pretend you didn't read the actual journal and are posting your opinion in regards to the potential discrepancies which they specifically target in regards to evolutionary theory.
I guess you must have read the full article because that is not what the abstract says. It says there is great variation.
It is not just humans that buck the trend, but turtles and other animals as well . . . other non-social animals.
This makes humans a real oddity. No other species in the researcher’s catalog has a mortality curve which rises that sharply. Even among other mammals, death rates reach no more than five times the lifetime average.
So you felt it necessary to take an articles named "Diversity of ageing across the tree of life", and "New Demographic Data Show How Diversely Different Species Age" and name your thread "Aging Process of Species Challenges Current Evolutionary Theory"?
FriedBabelBroccoli
Diversity of ageing across the tree of life
Why is this variety surprising? It seems consistent with what I know about evolution, that evolutionary changes are not designed intelligently but are somewhat akin to experiments in genetic mutations, so a wide variety is what I'd expect from evolution if genetic mutations are somewhat random.
Data will pave the way for a unified theory of aging
“Surprisingly, one can hardly imagine a type of life course that is not found in nature,” says MaxO researcher Owen Jones.
Phage
reply to post by FriedBabelBroccoli
No they aren't. Please point out where the article in question casts doubt on evolutionary theory.
Current models are definitely having doubt cast upon them.
What results? From the abstract of the source article:
This is why I said another institute should investigate this and see if they can reproduce the results.
A genotype moulds its phenotype’s age patterns of mortality and fertility in an environment; these two patterns in turn determine the genotype’s fitness in that environment.
Mortality patterns. If a female with an extended lifespan can improved the chances of survival of related children to maturity they can improve probability of survival of the phenotype. It's not that complicated.
I'm not sure what models you're talking about but evolutionary theory definitely has room to be expanded. But this in no way indicates that it is "wrong".
So if the models are not shown to account for this phenomena, then yes . . . the current incarnation of evolutionary theory would be wrong.
edit on 2/4/2014 by Phage because: (no reason given)
even if we were to assume that there was an anomaly, one single anomaly would not refute the staggering amount of experimental and observational evidence that currently supports the theory of evolution
It would appear that the OP is reading what he/she wants into the article rather than what is actually presented.
Laykilla
Phage
reply to post by FriedBabelBroccoli
No they aren't. Please point out where the article in question casts doubt on evolutionary theory.
Current models are definitely having doubt cast upon them.
What results? From the abstract of the source article:
This is why I said another institute should investigate this and see if they can reproduce the results.
A genotype moulds its phenotype’s age patterns of mortality and fertility in an environment; these two patterns in turn determine the genotype’s fitness in that environment.
Mortality patterns. If a female with an extended lifespan can improved the chances of survival of related children to maturity they can improve probability of survival of the phenotype. It's not that complicated.
I'm not sure what models you're talking about but evolutionary theory definitely has room to be expanded. But this in no way indicates that it is "wrong".
So if the models are not shown to account for this phenomena, then yes . . . the current incarnation of evolutionary theory would be wrong.
edit on 2/4/2014 by Phage because: (no reason given)
One time I'm going to say Phage is absolutely correct.
The models aren't "Wrong" just "incomplete."
Which is pretty much the standard in all models in science.
Strong and Weak Force
Gravity
Quantum Mechanics
The list goes on.
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neoholographic
reply to post by FriedBabelBroccoli
Starred and Flagged!
Good article and interesting find. Of course you're going to have the knee jerk reactions because evolution is a holy sacrament for materialist and atheist so the slightest questions are met with knee jerk responses.
At this point, there's no evidence that the theory of evolution as it stands can explain these things. At least a natural interpretation of evolution. There's a lot of holes in a natural interpretation of evolution. I wouldn't just call them holes, they're more like craters. But again, you're dealing with a holy sacrament and it's just like telling a Muslim in Iran that the Mahdi doesn't live at the bottom of the well.
This is just more evidence to support an intelligent design interpretation of evolution.
AfterInfinity
reply to post by neoholographic
Those who cherish glass theories should not throw rocks. ID makes the Swiss cheese of evolutionary theory look like solid marble.edit on 5-2-2014 by AfterInfinity because: (no reason given)