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Obamacare will push 2 million workers out of labor market: CBO

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posted on Feb, 4 2014 @ 11:01 PM
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xuenchen



Suicide Rates Will Skyrocket Due to Obamacare


Social "Impacts" ?

or Social "Engineering"?





MAybe Obamacare might lessen the jobs available, who knows. Its ALL bs if coming from any news site or paper.

Most concerning is the above suicide Skyrocket article. I have a problem with suicide - the people who commit it are cowards and are wholly selfish. Good riddance to them.




posted on Feb, 4 2014 @ 11:28 PM
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I'm a District Manager for a marketing company and I was instructed in November 2013 that by January 16 2014 that all of my full time employees must be converted to part time. I went from 22 marketing reps at full time to almost 60 at part time. None are supposed to receive more than 25 hrs per week going forward. The VP of operations told us flat out that this was due to ObamaCare. Not that I was surprised, I had obviously seen the writing on the wall long ago. Sad thing is most of my employees that lost full time hours and benefits are the staunch Obama supporters.



posted on Feb, 4 2014 @ 11:39 PM
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I can not understand what in the hell is the present administration trying to prove with the failure and scam that ACA is.

Destroying more and more the productive working class tax payers for what? so they keep growing the welfare state? and to add more fuel to the fire they want to add millions more with the immigration reform, what in the hell is going?

And the answer coming from that piece of good for nothing Harry Reid is that this will make more labor force free agents? does this man believe the crap that comes out of his mouth?, then because the government have this fetish of talking in future terms he dares to make predictions all the way to 2021, doesn't he knows that people are not that stupid well at least most people, the predictions from past administration never have added up, what a moron.
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posted on Feb, 4 2014 @ 11:39 PM
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projectbane

xuenchen



Suicide Rates Will Skyrocket Due to Obamacare


Social "Impacts" ?

or Social "Engineering"?





MAybe Obamacare might lessen the jobs available, who knows. Its ALL bs if coming from any news site or paper.

Most concerning is the above suicide Skyrocket article. I have a problem with suicide - the people who commit it are cowards and are wholly selfish. Good riddance to them.


Is School Out? The only time I see these kind of statements is when we are flooded with, school kids.
Maybe there's a holiday or something.
But then again, we are see the signs of our public schools education system where they've forgotten the Wall Street Crash abd Great Depression of the 1920's and all the Suicides.
No Job, No Money, No Food, No Home, No Respect, No Pride and worst of all, The look in your Starving Families Eyes.



posted on Feb, 4 2014 @ 11:43 PM
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Most concerning is the above suicide Skyrocket article. I have a problem with suicide - the people who commit it are cowards and are wholly selfish. Good riddance to them.


Interesting if a rather heartless perspective. Since the OP linked the article let's look at it.

You feel that people who may have lost everything or have nothing left (obamacare or not) should have to remain in the game regardless of whether they wish to or not? Not all cultures have the same feelings about this and neither do I. If someone has had enough and wants to check out who are you to call them a coward?

Pain and misery are in the eye and soul of the beholder and obamacare will certainly cause more. Pray you're never in that place.



posted on Feb, 4 2014 @ 11:50 PM
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well it does say:


The reduction in CBO’s projections of hours worked
represents a decline in the number of full-time-equivalent
workers of about 2.0 million in 2017, rising to about
2.5 million in 2024. Although CBO projects that total
employment (and compensation) will increase over the
coming decade, that increase will be smaller than it would
have been in the absence of the ACA. The decline in fulltime-
equivalent employment stemming from the ACA
will consist of some people not being employed at all and
other people working fewer hours;


and what follows that statement adds to the confusion.

maybe it's a toss up?




posted on Feb, 4 2014 @ 11:52 PM
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marg6043
I can not understand what in the hell is the present administration trying to prove with the failure and scam that ACA is.


It's quite simple, they want to prove that they can provide healthcare coverage for every American regardless of ability to pay for that coverage, and they intend to use the force of law and mandates to make everyone else who can pay, pay more for coverage to offset the costs for free and subsidized care for the poor. It is pure and simple wealth redistribution. Other aspects of the ACA are simply a means to an end to gain more control and government regulation over the private sector.

They really are unable to see beyond their objectives and goals, they don't care if this will do more harm than good ultimately, and frankly if it leads to serious economic problems that isn't their problem.




posted on Feb, 5 2014 @ 12:05 AM
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I know the goal of the government regarding ACA, but darn I am not a financial guru and neither work as a financial advisor for the president or congress and I can still add two and two and either the financial advisors behind ACA are mentally challenged or they are morons and our politicians are actually really stupid or they can not differentiate reality from fantasy.

Because in order for ACA to work they need a good volume of the productive working class to buy insurance at full price while also paying taxes. to support the welfare state.

And cutting work force is in not way beneficial.

I am starting to believe with this new twist that the government wants to actually end our nations economy when it comes to the nations work force and the tax payers, because if you have noticed Wall street and the rich are thriving since the 2008 market crash while the middle class is dying.


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posted on Feb, 5 2014 @ 12:16 AM
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marg6043
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I am starting to believe with this new twist that the government wants to actually end our nations economy when it comes to the nations work force and the tax payers, because if you have noticed Wall street and the rich are thriving since the 2008 market crash while the middle class is dying.


Maybe an intended or unintended consequence is going to be the elimination of the middle class in the USA.

Perhaps a desired end result is a two class system of wealthy ruling class elite, and the government, between the two controlling and regulating everything, and then 300,000,000+ people enslaved to both.

The most important thing we lose here is freedom, no matter how you look at it.
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posted on Feb, 5 2014 @ 12:26 AM
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That is called serfdom.

There was a war a few hundred years ago to get out from under such a system.



posted on Feb, 5 2014 @ 10:27 AM
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It's funny how people cry Obamacare is costing people jobs when in truth Obamacare has not cost one person their job. The government hasn't told any employers to fire people these employers are doing it to get around paying insurance for the employees so they can increase their profits. Another thing that has made people lose their jobs was the individual mandate a little thing thought up by the right wing Heritage Foundation this license to steal is what drove the cost of insurance up. The government should never have included the mandate in the ACA it should have went with the single payer plan.



posted on Feb, 5 2014 @ 11:20 AM
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A short video on the 30 hour threshold and economic policies that have gotten us to this point in our history as a nation. Right/wrong/left /right who is to blame blah blah blah.. We are here today and you have to wonder where we will be tomorrow.. ?




posted on Feb, 5 2014 @ 11:26 AM
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My son goes to school and was working a full-time job.

Now he is under 30 hours per week and I supplement his income.

Which means less money I spend in the economy, less money he spends in the economy.

So Obamacare has caused me to have less, my son to have less (instead of living/working independently).

Still don't see the upside.



posted on Feb, 5 2014 @ 11:36 AM
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thekaliyuga
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Before you continue supporting ludicrous accusations you should probably actually read Appendix C of the CBO report, this small paragraph is what Fox is reporting as proof that Obamacare kills jobs. LOL, no greedy corporations will kill full time jobs!! Come on people. The companies are reducing hours down to part time to bypass giving their employees healthcare, I doubt the prezi is sitting around plotting our individual demise by reduction in our work hours... so if you work at McDonalds just wait, once legislation is passed it will be illegal to reduce work force hours to essentially break the law of the land. Meaning you cannot stop the wheels now that they are in motion, companies will initially get away with this but case law will arise and it will not last for long.



Maybe I am misunderstanding here, but it sure looks like the crux of your argument can be summed up by saying essentially that you know that this looks bad, and at first it might even be bad; but wait, The State really cares about us so they will pass laws that will fix this, and protect you from those greedy corporations and employers.

I'll spell this out. Maybe I'm a cynic but... This seems absurd considering Washington's track record and all of the indications that these politicians are simply corporate mouth-pieces anyway. Also, the "Just sit back and relax and let the state take care of you" overtone indicates either rhetoric parroting, just plain naïve, or some combination of both.




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posted on Feb, 5 2014 @ 11:52 AM
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This whole thing is counterintuitive.

First, it relies on the young, healthy (18-34) to sign up in droves. Often, they are the poorest to begin with because they are just starting out, so you are trying to sell them extremely expensive policies they mostly won't make serious use of. Then, you effectively cut that demographic in half by allowing half of them to shelter in their parents' policy until they are 26.

And they wonder why they aren't signing up in droves ... the bottom half are covered mostly by mom and dad, and the rest are too poor and not stupid enough to think they need the expensive policy.

Then you try to "punish" employers into buying expensive policies into such a way so as to make it better for them to reduce labor hours and reduce overall labor or drop coverage for workers entirely or some combination of the above.

Meanwhile, you wonder why your tax revenues aren't there? Well, duh! You're killing your own tax base.


The lack of economics in this thing are staggering unless you intended to destroy the economy all along.



posted on Feb, 5 2014 @ 11:53 AM
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The government should never have included the mandate in the ACA it should have went with the single payer plan.


That's a joke we have all seen that 'single payer' system in action with Medicare.Medicaid.

They have done such as wonderful job.

Hardly anyone paying for it. Everyone using it, and running massive deficits.

That accounts for over 100 million Americans already which makes the US government the largest single 'healthcare' provider in the country beating out private.

Put that 100 million back to where it belongs in the first place the private sector. That would created JOBS instead of Obama care that has killed jobs, and cut hours.

This is really where it gets interesting since EMPLOYERS are already paying for employees social security contributions, and the MEDICARE contributions, and the unemployment insurance, dealing with the constant devaluation of the dollar.

Having to increase out of pocket expenses for SS,medicare, and unemployment contributions every time someone says raise their wages.

The genius's on capitol hill in the severe lack of wisdom created a JOB ?KILLER, Obama care.

Business in the country is already struggling to keep it's doors open, and they got hit with another helping of stupid.

Since it has been historically proven the only thing government gets right is screwing Americans over more than they already are.

The US government needs to get out of the GD healthcare business.

Period.
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posted on Feb, 5 2014 @ 12:18 PM
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Obama care in 5 minutes.

It's so 'awesome' !



posted on Feb, 5 2014 @ 12:34 PM
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Conservatives will swallow any propaganda that their party hands them if it sounds good. What good little automatons!

Studies have been done and the most jobs lost at the maximum is 300,000 and those are minimum wage, menial jobs.



posted on Feb, 5 2014 @ 12:46 PM
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Conservatives will swallow any propaganda that their party hands them if it sounds good. What good little automatons!


Oh you mean like the defenders of Obama care, and the current administration?



posted on Feb, 5 2014 @ 03:05 PM
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The US government needs to get out of the GD healthcare business.

Oh yes because our failure of a healthcare system was doing such a great job in the first place wasn't it? We pay more than any other system in the world and get crap for return. People like you cry about how bad the government is when in fact it is the insurance companies that jack the rates up but doesn't give anything in return. And Medicaid and Medicare works rather well and would have been better if it wasn't for people like Bush that created programs but didn't fund them. Too bad the second bill of rights didn't get passed then the ACA wouldn't even be needed.



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