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Not what Jesus was saying in Romans 13
"Sell your coat and buy a sword".....that one really is as it seemed
edit on 4-2-2014 by UxoriousMagnus because: (no reason given)
"Welcome to my parlour," said the spider to the fly.
I've been expecting you (actually, not you specifically, just this out of context quote).
as i will be accused of later when i quote, context is everything.
you throw away everything jesus did, for one line, yet do not follow that line up.
"master, we have two." Jesus said, "that is enough". wait, what?
see, on this particular night, jesus was to be arrested for fomenting rebellion. rebels can not be unarmed, so in order for the charges to stick,
remember rome was ruled by law, lax as they were, but law none the less, he had to appear the rebel leader. weapons had to be found, hence two
weapons were enough.
you seem to forget that jesus was on a suicide mission. in order for his mission to succeed, he had to be arrested, and the swords were just props to
get the charges to stick long enough for a mock trial to take place.
Well that was very clever
Can I be so brash as to ask where you found this little gem, a link or such
Not denying the meaning is accurate, just think its so good it needs further investigation
Jesus, the embodiment of goodness, will be “counted among the wicked.” That is, regarded as a violent threat -- an assassin, a destroyer, a fierce
revolutionary. We recall that when Roman soldiers arrive to arrest him, Jesus says: “Why do you come at me as if I were a brigand?”
But now the distraught Jesus, just hours before execution, is saying in effect: “Misunderstood as I am, we might as well have a money bag and a
Deft writer that Luke is, he takes the misunderstanding to its limits. Even Jesus’ disciples misunderstand. They take Jesus literally.
Here’s a violent messiah, after all. It’s time, fellas, to rise up against Rome. They hear “sword” and off they scurry to look for one.
Proudly they produce two. And Jesus, barely keeping the glimmer of light alive, snaps: “Stop. It’s enough!” Or in a better translation: “Oh,
The misunderstanding is complete. The scriptures foretell it; Jesus resigns himself to it. It is part and parcel of his vocation.
(national catholic reporter online)
Jesus, realizing that He was about to be "numbered with the transgressors," said this because with His arrest those who until now had been with Him
would find themselves treated as outlaws; they could no longer count on the charity and hospitality of sympathetic fellow Israelites. Hence, in
contrast to the time when He first sent them, He now orders them to carry their own purses and bags. And, because they themselves would be lumped
together with bandits by the authorities, they might as well act the part and carry arms, even at the cost of their own cloaks (another essential item
in everyday life back then).
This interpretation suggests that Jesus' reply to the disciples, "It is enough," was one of exasperation. As we note, two short swords were useless
against an armed arrest party; it would all be futile and awkward. Jesus just decided that the disciples didn't really catch what He said (which shows
they're not yet 'ready') and that it was time to drop the subject for now. catholic answer forums
luke 22:37 For I tell you that this scripture must be fulfilled in me, ‘And he was reckoned with transgressors’
; for what is written about
me has its fulfilment.” 38 And they said, “Look, Lord, here are two swords.” And he said to them, “It is enough.”
again, you cant be a rebel if you dont have weapons.
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