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Freenrgy2
reply to post by Bone75
Why can't they be granted an exemption? After all, Pelosi and many other democrats are doing just that to business cronies in THEIR districts. What makes it o.k. for them to grant exemptions to these business, but not Hobby Lobby?
Don't you just love the fairness of politics.
MrSpad
Just a small point here. It is not happening. This would be a HOAX. And an older one.They are not closing any stores and they are not planning on closing any stores. Starting two years ago when people started spreading this Hobby Lobby began saying it was not true. They are in fact opening more and more stores. They also wish people would quit saying they are closing as it is bad for business.
Nice to see you admit you support discrimination. Is there anything else you would like forced on people? How about stoning a unruly child or making a slave of a girl that has never lain with a man. Those are in the bible why isn't this guy doing those things? Is he just another one of those pick and choose Christians?
So, if a Jehovah's Witness-owned business refuses to provide insurance that covers blood transfusions, that's okay too, right?
So, if a Scientologist-owned business refuses to provide insurance that covers mental health services and associated pharmaceuticals, that's okay too, right?
So, if a Christian Scientist-owned business refuses to provide insurance that covers ANY medical procedure, that's okay too, right?
So, if a Muslim-owned business refuses to provide insurance that covers Jewish employees, that's okay too, right?
Actually, wrong, on every count, and rightly so.
LewsTherinThelamon
reply to post by grey580
You're missing the point however. What is a right is a womans right to choose how to live her life and make choices about her life.
Of course, that is only rational, and that woman can use the money that she has earned to implement those choices. Then all the bickering would end.
Flatfish
reply to post by Bone75
I totally disagree with you.
Screw em! For a party that advocates for getting government out of our business, they sure as hell are interested in retaining their own perceived right to get into our business.
Let them close their doors, I'm sure the other hobby stores around America will be more than happy to fill the gap.
That's a lot of screen space to state your mere disagreement.
Here, try something like this next time instead of wasting screen:
"I disagree with you, but you have your opinion, and I have mine."
The rest of your post is merely specious and silly.
There is a difference between legislation that sets standards for employers nationally and legislation that regards one or two individuals.
I'm sure you consider that a witty response; I do not.
I disagree with you, but you have your opinion and I have mine.
However situations are not always equal. Women tend to make less $$$$ than men. If single with a kid she has even less money than a man to spend. And I can go on and on.
beezzer
Standing for one's principles.
How rare.
*applause*
Can't wait to see the folks come on here and tear him to shreds. . . . .
nixie_nox
beezzer
Standing for one's principles.
How rare.
*applause*
Can't wait to see the folks come on here and tear him to shreds. . . . .
Standing for ones principles based on non scientific ideas and the wrong reasons is nothing to applause over.
So essentially, you are applauding someone who is losing jobs on completely inaccurate information.
grey580
reply to post by LewsTherinThelamon
And I'm sure if they made more money this wouldn't be an issue.
But here we are.
You know. I understand the argument. And I'm not totally for contraception for everyone.
But some women need to be on the pill. Especially those with pcos.
Hobby Lobby would ban the pill even for women that needed it for a valid medical reason.
that ain't right.
LewsTherinThelamon
reply to post by buster2010
Nice to see you admit you support discrimination. Is there anything else you would like forced on people? How about stoning a unruly child or making a slave of a girl that has never lain with a man. Those are in the bible why isn't this guy doing those things? Is he just another one of those pick and choose Christians?
A business should hold the right to turn away whomever they choose, whether customers or potential employees, for whatever reason they choose.
Don't want to hire/serve blacks? Fine.
Don't want to hire/serve Jews? Fine.
Don't want to hire/serve homosexuals? Fine.
Don't want to hire/serve women? Fine.
Don't want to hire/serve Caucasians? Fine.
And on and on and on and on. Of course, they would have to face the wrath of the people that would refuse to do business with them. But, that is what a free market is for.
That's not forcing anything on "the people." Making businesses follow your standards of "you have to hire/serve everyone" is the same as a religious person trying to enact laws to force us all to conform to their belief sets (something that you vehemently oppose). Either case is authoritarian.
Hobby Lobby isn't banning anything for anyone. They present what they are willing to cover and what they are not willing to cover. One has many choices: don't work for them and find someone with a more comprehensive plan, or pay for OCP out of pocket, or accept their terms of employment. I wonder why people think that someone else not paying for something is "banning" or "persecution." Having the right to do something does not make one entitled to have someone else pay for it.
Bone75
By: David Green, the founder and CEO of Hobby Lobby Stores, Inc.
But now, our government threatens to change all of that.
which means that we don’t cover emergency contraception, the morning-after pill or the week-after pill. exnews]
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Kali74
I'm so sick of this ridiculous argument. Healthcare is a human right and should be adopted as such. There's no reason for a 1st world nation to have such a goddamn stupid issue affecting the lives of millions of Americans everyday. The very simple solution is single payer/universal... take health care out of the employers hands.
Aaaargh!
ETA: Give me my full compensation without benefits and I'll buy my own health care and pension. Man, I love some people scream at tyranny from government but are perfectly okay with their boss in control of their healthcare and pensions.edit on 2/3/2014 by Kali74 because: (no reason given)
Dragoon01
Kali74
I'm so sick of this ridiculous argument. Healthcare is a human right and should be adopted as such. There's no reason for a 1st world nation to have such a goddamn stupid issue affecting the lives of millions of Americans everyday. The very simple solution is single payer/universal... take health care out of the employers hands.
Aaaargh!
ETA: Give me my full compensation without benefits and I'll buy my own health care and pension. Man, I love some people scream at tyranny from government but are perfectly okay with their boss in control of their healthcare and pensions.edit on 2/3/2014 by Kali74 because: (no reason given)
You have a really poor understanding of the word control. I work at my place of business at my will. I can walk away at any time. My employer provides insurance to compensate me for my labor in lieu of additional salary. If he is paying for it then he can make the decision regarding the provider and the type and amount of coverage that I get. If I dont like it I am always free to seek employment elsewhere or maybe actually decline the coverage and buy my own healthcare.
Now lets address your notion that healthcare is somehow a human right.
This is just so wrong its....its just unright. Healthcare is provided by Doctors and medical staff. In order for it to be a right that would require that you are somehow entitled to the labor of a doctor or nurse. That is no different than saying that you by the fact that you were born have a claim on the lifetime service of another person, thats called slavery. Now do you have a right to access healthcare? Yes I would agree that you have the right to medicate yourself and seek the services of medical staff. You give up some of that right if you are however not paying for it yourself.
So a business owner has the right to decide what he is willing to pay for regarding the healthcare coverage he is providing (you pay the piper, you get to call the tune). If you pay for your own coverage you can get them to cover anything they will cover. Also if you just go to the freaking drug store and buy a 8.00 USD box of condoms it will cost you less than an abortion or a morning after pill. You dont have a right to demand that your employer pay more money so that your sexual relations will be latex free.