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Since we both agree HL is NOT trying to actively or passively control the lives of others.
Maybe it's not all about money? Maybe people should be forced to be more responsible?
I find it highly ironic that these guys are using their first amendment right to take away the right of someone else to make a choice about their life.
This has been explained to you - health insurance is NOT a right. It is at best a benefit provided by your employer. He is under no obligation to provide you anything in your health insurance, and he's not under any obligation to even provide you that.
Birth control is also not a right.
Now, no one, NO ONE, is stopping anyone who works at Hobby Lobby from taking any birth control, not now, not ever. No one is stopping anyone from that. They simply aren't providing a policy that covers it by providing funding for it. This is not denying anyone anything. You can still go and buy any kind of contraceptive you wish, right up to a late term abortion, if you so choose, and the evil old Hobby Lobby boogeyman can't stop you or fire you or anything, but it's very hypocritical of you to say that he has every right to choose not buy a contraceptive and then demand that he pay for yours.
reply to post by buster2010
Did the Govt, or did it not, mandate companies to have insurance that includes birth control???
It is the owner that chose to cry it's against my religion to break that law. Religion isn't supposed to dictate any laws in America much less use it as an excuse to get around the law.
reply to post by Bone75
No Christian should be forced to pay for someone's contraception. Period.
But it's ok for an employer to force their religious beliefs on their employees huh? Do you support Christians paying for Viagra seeing how many insurance companies will pay for it? Funny how you don't hear these "Christians" complaining about that. And it is the insurance companies that pays for the contraception the employer pays one lump sum not this portion goes to this and this portion goes to that. My sympathies goes out to the employees of this person that thinks the world should follow his religion. When will Americans who think like him wake up and realize that America is not a Christian nation and will never be a Christian nation. This country already has too many laws based on this religion already.
You're missing the point however. What is a right is a womans right to choose how to live her life and make choices about her life.
reply to post by Bone75
He is not running a religious institution, so he cannot claim a religious exemption on the simple task of providing a health-care insurance provider who would provide legal contraceptives on their plan. Instead, he wants to hurt each and every person working for him by picking up his marbles and going home.
What a sore loser. And if he so opposed to providing adequate health care for his employees, maybe he should sell his company to someone who would, thus saving the jobs of everyone who has stayed loyal to him.edit on 3-2-2014 by Aleister because: (no reason given)
he wants to hurt each and every person working for him by picking up his marbles and going home.
reply to post by LewsTherinThelamon
Health insurance is part of an employee compensation package. To deny basic health care needs to women, but not men, forcing them to spend more money on health care than their male counterparts, simply because of their anatomy, is discrimination.
And there it is! This is what this is really all about, forcing people to be "more responsible" according to a minority of bible thumping nut cases!
No matter what your beliefs, no company should ever be forced to pay for anything they don't believe in.
2. Contraception is not a "basic" health need anymore than breasts implants are.........
That is absolutely false. Contraception saves lives! Before modern medicine and contraception, the number one cause of female death was childbirth!
Contraception is a cosmetic medicine like breast implants and does not fall under the category of "basic" health requirements.
Pretty sure I can choose whether or not I want to have sex, and I am pretty sure I can choose to wrap it twice if I do have sex.
Not according to the American Medical Association and the American Board of Obstetrics and Gynecology, as well as the LAW! Contraception is legally considered a basic health care need for women, and it DOES save lives.
You can wrap or unwrap, i don't care. Contraception isn't for you, its for women.