why is the US against the UN?
are they trying to wash their hands clean and act inocent.
mabye we should of exspected less from our "valiant defenders of freedom" i mean setting up a goat scape like the UN is pretty impressive.


[edit on 23-11-2004 by devilwasp]

The UN was a waste of time and money. Now it is just a money pit. It was once almost tolerable until it became the United Muslim Nations........get them out of MY america.

uhh yeah sure , like britain is now a muslim country LIKE FRANCE IS a muslin country.
they are both UN members.
are you racecist? because that is a very racecist remark.
i take it you have the "we had a nice quiet town before those 3 kids came along" idea.
if any one can name the film that is from you might have an idea what i am hinting at

The following are what I consider Muslim Controlled nations. France, Germany, Netherlands, France, France, France. Oh, yeah did I mention FRANCE.

Seriously, the UN has become very decidedly anti-Israel and Anti-american. Could it be that it was purchased by Saddam and maybe one needs to rethink the entire credibility of the UN?

Cops in NY and DC are very tired of hearing "Diplomatic Immunity"

They can't kick us out. It's in NYC and we pay a large chunk
of the UN bills. America is the UN police force. Without us,
they can issue all the warnings and 'strong statements' they
like, but they'd have nothing to back them up with. They'd
be a useless paper tiger.

But if it were to happen ... first I'd laugh my back end off.
Then I'd open a bottle of wine (domestic - from Pennsylvania),
and celebrate that we'd be getting our realestate in NYC
back (primo property!!) and we'd be getting all our tax $$
back to take care of projects here at home - education,
healthcare, infrastructure .....

It would be a day to celebrate!

True it’s a racist remark. But lets look at the facts behind the racism. Who is blowing up and kill people in the name of god. Muslims! Not Christians! Or buddest or anyone else it’s those fanatic Muslims.
These dam Muslims come to our countries and still keep their pathetic customs. Let me give you an example a real estate agent I know was helping a Muslim couple find a home. The husband didn’t like it why because she is a woman and tried to renig on a purchase agreement because she is a woman. He even admitted it so she got one of the male realtors to represent them. Pathetic!! They treat their wives like second class citizens. I for one am sick of Muslims and their heathen customs! They come to our countries fine then accept our way of life or get the # out!

[edit on 23-11-2004 by DiRtYDeViL]

hey firstly how can netherlands germany and france be muslin controlled? eh?
they are anti-isreal/america because they are ANTI-WAR thats right against war.
oh wait is that a bad thing?
mabye needs to rethink the credibilitly of the US.
yes thats right the US is far more untrustworthy.
viet cong,al-quida and giveing chemical weapons to cuba. not to mention trying to assainaite a soverign countries leader!
you call us europeans untrust worthy! look at yourself !
you call yourselfs the "lone gaurdians" what about the UK? we took over a section of bagdad from your troops because you asked us to.
we hid details to help the US and UK relations and to preserve the US image.
we have went to every thats right every corner of the globe and done peace-keeping operations.
the UN is about peace,co-operation and working together something the US doesnt seem to want.

[edit on 23-11-2004 by devilwasp]

Typical, huh? And Europe wonders why we
don't listen to them anymore, and why many
of us just don't care about them anymore.

you dont listen because you know its against your , well i say your but really its your oil companies, intrests.
take iraq . now the US controls the whole of the oil production from iraq and kuwait.
now is this co incidence? or part of a plan?

[edit on 23-11-2004 by devilwasp]

Uh ... no devilwasp. Europe and the Netherlands are not
anti-American because they are anti-war. They have been
anti-American for a very long time ... because it's the 'in'
thing to do. It's vogue. It's easier to be anti-American and
turn your hate to America rather than look at your pitiful
countries with their failing economies and failing socialist
healthcare systems and your failing ... etc. etc. etc. Not
to mention the embarrassement that everytime anything
happens in the world the AMERICANs have to be called in
to fix it because Europe has no real Army to defend itself.
Poland has good troops. Spain has a good small force.
Even France has some special forces that are okay. But
nothing compared to America. Europe isn't anti-American
because they are anti-war. Europe has defense-envy.

If Europe was really anti-war, it wouldn't be pro-palestinian
homicide-bombers and France wouldn't be getting ready to
name a street after the murdering terrorist Arafat. If Europe
was truly anti-war it would have pushed Arafat to sign the
Clinton CampDavid Peace Deal in 2000. The Palestinians
would have gotten 95% of what they wanted, in a soverign
two state deal, that included part of Jerusalem. But nooooooo,
Europe didn't push it's terrorist buddy Arafat when he turned
down the amazing deal ... just so he could go kill more Israelis
and more teenage Palestinians through homicide bombings.

Yes, I DO call the European governments untrustworthy.
IN YOUR WORDS - take a look at yourselves. 20+ billion
stolen by the governments of France, Germany, (and
Russia) - stolen from the Iraqis ... security council votes
sold by the EUROPEANs. Yep... you betchya' I don't trust
the European governments.


[edit on 11/23/2004 by FlyersFan]

20+ billion from the iraqi's is nothing.
you took every piece of german science tech and classified it after ww2.
is that legal? no
BTW you dont trust your own ally?
thats right britain is in europe that means we are as trust worthy as any other country here.
also you have not commented on the other points i raised?
what about the whole teror networks you made to fight the russians?

This is off topic from America getting out of the U.N.
However, I will say this once and then get back on
topic -

America didn't keep the Kuwait oil fields when they
were liberated in Gulf War I. As far as the Iraqi
oil fields ... when the insurgents stop blowing them
up, and we don't have to defend them anymore,
I'm sure we will hand them over to the Iraqi people
as we did for the Kuwaitis. Time will tell, but the
track record for America is ... hand it back once
they are secure.

France and Germany (and Syria) are just irked because
they were getting sweet illegal oil deals from Saddam,
and now they are cut off from those illegal oil deals.
There was nothing MORAL about France and Germany
not wanting to go to war to liberate Iraq. It was all
about them keeping their illegal low-priced oil coming in
- against the U.N. rules. It was all about France and
Germany getting payoffs from Saddam. Nothing
MORAL here .... Just more corruption. The U.N. is full of
it. Time to get rid of it. It isn't fixable. Junk it. Start
over. Let 'em have their HQ in Paris ... Chirac would
love it. He would feel relevant again ... something he
desperately wants to feel.

Good point FlyersFan. Team America # Yea! I'm sick of my money going to defend Europe, Africa and every other place on this planet. We have to police it then we should just own it! Get my money the hell out of the police business and let them defend themselves. Oh wait they can't! That's why we have to bail the world out of everything.

so britain is anti america?

firstly you have done this not because you want to save us you done it to save yourself.
also i believe if it wasnt for europe you wouldnt have the country it is today.
Poland has good troops.


uhh we have defense forces you have an OFFENSE force aka designed to attack.
you have defended your country three times from attack thats it three times and one was a civil war.
we dont want war we want peace.also we have defenses that can handle just about everything. multi nation fleet. best sub comanders (nuclear) in the world, as rated by every naval unit in the world includeing the austrailian navy who have the best deisel fleet in the world.

uhh you have done the same. you made OSB.

As far as I know the US is one of the worst debters to the UN.

Can you show me facts and figures showing how much money the US has payed?

And i am talking about mebership fees/dues.. not some $$ spent on a food programm here or some aid relief there.

UN was invented to give the American President something to laugh at and keep him amused and then they wonder why the rest of the planet hates them. Keep guessing guys you might get there one sunny day...

ha ha ha ha Hey devilwasp ... Germany was the aggressor in
a war against the whole world ... THEY LOST. IF America took
German scientific techonology it's just too dam* bad. (and I say IF,
because I have not seen any proof of this). Germany
shouldn't have gone to war against the world and if they wanted
to keep their technology they shouldn't have lost. To the victor go
the spoils. America rebuilt Germany after Germany pounded the
hell out of us and everyone else. It should be grateful for that.

Ref: Terror networks to fight Russians. I have no idea to what you
are talking about. Please provide information. Also - This is off topic
from America ending payments to the U.N. - so perhaps you could
start a new topic in one of the political forums so that this can be
discussed in detail ???

Britian isn't anti-american it is the liberal british press. I am guilty of genralization on this point. Europe as a whole is being brainwashed against the US. Britian is a hold out. However, more to the point, the UN is corrupt. Oil for Food is the biggest scandal in history. I still think Bagdad is where the UN should move to and fast. Oh, wait, the UN ran away from Iraq when the peaceful MULSIM's BOMED THEM. Answer that DW. OOPS?

(Excellent movie! as a stay at home mom I was shocked and
wasn't warned ahead of time ... but ... EXCELLENT MOVIE!)

EXACTLY!! Let Europe pay for it's own defense.
Let the rest of the world pay for it's own defense. My tax money
is better spent HERE ... education, health care, infrastructure!
If Europe had to pay for it's own defense ... HA! Either their taxes
would go sky high (it's already higher than here in America) or
they would continue to have no defense and the Wahabbis
(or who ever) would run over them like a steam roller.

(then we'd hear whining ... oh America ..... you didn't take care
of us ... waaaaaa waaaaaaaa waaaaaaaa Like the previous
poster said ... damned if we do, damned if we don't. I'm tired
of it. Let them stand alone.)

When G.W. went in front of the U.N. and gave his speech about
them deciding if they were going to be relevant or not ... and about
them enforcing Resolution 1441 - America had COMPLETELY paid all
it's dues to the U.N.

I don't have the % of how much the U.S. pays off hand.
That would take some googling. I think America and Japan
pay 1/4 of the U.N. budget ... but I'm not sure about that.

- We already do.

Now, please fulfill the other part of this requirement and go home.
Remove all your 115 000+ military personnel and close all the bases and go home.
The US presence in Europe is becoming about as welcome as a European presence of similar size would actually be in the US right now.

Russia left eastern Europe 15yrs + ago....is there any reason why the USA is still here?



- Fine. Let's.



- If you are true to your word and you really do repatriate the $ you will find it's value dropping like a stone. (it's already going on now).
You'll find it is no answer, you need the rest of us to loan you billions just to keep your show on the road every day.



- Yeah right.
Maybe if we were to get into that absurd situation the USA is in that might be true.....although even then our tax base would be broader (475millions - 270millions).

Europe has no intention (or need) to insanely out-spend the almost every other military budget in the world combined.

That's the ridiculous situation the USA has worked itself into.....enjoy.



- Well in a manner of speaking that is true....except it's not quite as simple as that....as I'm sure you know.
We have public provision on a scale you guys could only dream of and societies at relative ease, with low crime, excellent quality of life etc etc.
We're (most of us) happy with this balance.

There is a hell of a lot more to life than simply and solely your 'annual tax bill'. Wake up.



- No.
Europe aspends a sensible amount on 'defence'. We have what we 'need' (including modern submarines equipped with - fully independant from the USA - long range highly accurate MIRV'd nuclear missiles). We have an affordable balanced military throughout Europe, quite sufficient.

Not a laughably self-injurous amount.



- No; you see we put together the EU and we don't have these problems anymore thank you very much.

Now away and cry about how come America wants EU produce and so few want US produce, eh?



- Well as far as your ridiculous right wing and the PNAC type loonies are concerned, fine.
Byeeeee.



[edit on 23-11-2004 by sminkeypinkey]