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How will you get yourself into heaven? On your own merit or via a scapegoat?

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posted on Feb, 5 2014 @ 02:20 PM
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Greatest I am
Then you have yet to find him. A shame that.

We'll see. Time will tell. At any rate, you can't accurately judge my soul ... so I"m not worried about it.




posted on Feb, 5 2014 @ 02:22 PM
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Looking into the Hebrew might help. For instance, "Nimrod was a mighty hunter before the Lord" actually means against the Lord in Genesis. Nimrod was the Lord's enemy.

I won't bother to, though, mainly because he has chosen the lie over the truth. It is up to him to seek the truth. If he seeks it, he will find it - that is certain.



posted on Feb, 5 2014 @ 02:22 PM
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jmdewey60
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. . . yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;
My understanding would be that Jesus demonstrated his obedience, rather than something like that at an earlier point obedience was not one of his characteristics.
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If I understand your use of English, I am French, I think I agree.

You did agree that Jesus sinned. Right?

Regards
DL



posted on Feb, 5 2014 @ 02:23 PM
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I've said this in another thread, but morals are necessary for a religion, not the other way around.

Nothing displeases me more in Christians than those who try to avoid judgment. So much malpractice can come from shifting your burden of morality onto the will of God. No mere man was meant to enforce God's wrath, neither was any mere man meant to follow his word blindly. Nothing is more frustrating than people following a certain set of beliefs to save face, no matter what it is. It's just ironic to be contradictory to the morals of Christianity. There are many who seek religion in cowardice. You will find them self-righteous, holding their beliefs on a pedestal that trembles when contested. Religion is not necessary for morals, you'd be a fool to think otherwise.



posted on Feb, 5 2014 @ 02:24 PM
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So this part of scriptures you do not believe?
You think that really narrows it down?
Can you explain what you think these verses are telling you because they don't really seem relevant to the question to me.

(note: this goes back to the earlier question of where I think God has His dwelling)
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posted on Feb, 5 2014 @ 02:24 PM
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FlyersFan

Greatest I am
Then you have yet to find him. A shame that.

We'll see. Time will tell. At any rate, you can't accurately judge my soul ... so I"m not worried about it.



Nor I my friend.

My belief says that we all get to heaven so I did not judge. I just opined that it is a shame that you have yet to get one hell of an eye opening learning experience.

Regards
DL



posted on Feb, 5 2014 @ 02:29 PM
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Religion and faith are two different things.

First - you don't define morals. Neither does religion.

Anyways, there is one basic premise you should understand:
God sees the objective truth. If you worry about what people and their social structures are concerned with instead of God, who sees all and knows all, you have chosen the world over God.

The choice we make in this life is between God and the world. There is a false god to lead us astray, if we let it, as well.

Anyways, considering your honoring of Anubis, I doubt you will hear me.
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posted on Feb, 5 2014 @ 02:31 PM
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Jarring
I've said this in another thread, but morals are necessary for a religion, not the other way around.

Nothing displeases me more in Christians than those who try to avoid judgment. So much malpractice can come from shifting your burden of morality onto the will of God. No mere man was meant to enforce God's wrath, neither was any mere man meant to follow his word blindly. Nothing is more frustrating than people following a certain set of beliefs to save face, no matter what it is. It's just ironic to be contradictory to the morals of Christianity. There are many who seek religion in cowardice. You will find them self-righteous, holding their beliefs on a pedestal that trembles when contested. Religion is not necessary for morals, you'd be a fool to think otherwise.


Well put. My kingdom for such eloquence and clarity of expression.

Gnostic Christianity is the wave of the future. You are a worthy candidate and should check it out. It is a thinking man's religion.
Christians are idol worshipers and are not allowed in.

Regards
DL



posted on Feb, 5 2014 @ 02:34 PM
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If I understand your use of English, I am French, I think I agree.

You did agree that Jesus sinned. Right?
If we were having a face to face conversation, I would probably say it five different ways until I thought you understood what I meant.
That doesn't make for good forum posts so I just check back later to see if there are any questions.
But I agree that my wording is not always the easiest to follow.
I came to the opinion years ago that English was not your first language but I never sat there and speculated on what yours might be. Well, now I know.
I try to keep those possibilities in mind while trying to have conversations on the intenet and to make allowances and also technical disadvantages some people have like posting from a cell phone.

I think that Jesus sinned as how people judged sin, but was eventually justified at a higher appellate court.

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posted on Feb, 5 2014 @ 02:35 PM
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jmdewey60
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So this part of scriptures you do not believe?
You think that really narrows it down?
Can you explain what you think these verses are telling you because they don't really seem relevant to the question to me.

(note: this goes back to the earlier question of where I think God has His dwelling)
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Those lines tell me that no one is greater than I am unless he earns the right and my recognition.
Jesus came to free man from bondage. Not create a new bondage for us. Note how Paul said we are slaves to sin or slaves to God.
Jesus says we are our own masters.

Allen Watts says it clearly.

www.youtube.com...

Regards
DL



posted on Feb, 5 2014 @ 02:38 PM
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jmdewey60
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If I understand your use of English, I am French, I think I agree.

You did agree that Jesus sinned. Right?
If we were having a face to face conversation, I would probably say it five different ways until I thought you understood what I meant.
That doesn't make for good forum posts so I just check back later to see if there are any questions.
But I agree that my wording is not always the easiest to follow.

I think that Jesus sinned as how people judged sin, but was eventually justified at a higher appellate court.


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Jesus sit's at the power hand of God. There is no higher court.

That will teach me to try to get a straight answer from you.

Regards
DL



posted on Feb, 5 2014 @ 02:43 PM
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FreeWillAnomaly
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Religion and faith are two different things.

First - you don't define morals. Neither does religion.

Anyways, there is one basic premise you should understand:
God sees the objective truth. If you worry about what people and their social structures are concerned with instead of God, who sees all and knows all, you have chosen the world over God.

The choice we make in this life is between God and the world. There is a false god to lead us astray, if we let it, as well.

Anyways, considering your honoring of Anubis, I doubt you will hear me.
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If there are false Gods and prophets then you might wonder why your God put's false words in their mouth. You follow your God well by doing the same right here for all to see and I thank you for that.

God causes them to lies.

Now, therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets, and the Lord hath spoken evil concerning thee.
1Kings 22:23

Now therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets.
2 Chron 18:22

Ah, Lord GOD! surely thou hast greatly deceived this people.
Jer 4:10

O Lord, thou hast deceived me, and I was deceived. Jer 20:7

And if a prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the Lord have deceived that prophet.
Ezekiel 14:9

For this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie.
Thessalonians 2:11

To me, God’s worse lie was to Adam and Eve. He told them they could eat of the tree of life and then reneged and in a real sense murdered them by denying them a remedy.

Regards
DL


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posted on Feb, 5 2014 @ 02:44 PM
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FreeWillAnomaly

Greatest I am

jmdewey60

I think that Jesus was against such a thing and was happy enough to have a meeting hall where believers could gather and praise god with prayer and song and readings from good books on the holy life that we should be following..


+ 1

When two are gathered --- anywhere ---in my name I am there.

Regards
DL


Exactly. That's Church.

People always tell me I don't go to Church.

I tell them I go to Church all the time!


Make me think of Snatam Kaur - Mother's blessing.



posted on Feb, 5 2014 @ 02:48 PM
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FreeWillAnomaly
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Religion and faith are two different things.

First - you don't define morals. Neither does religion.

Anyways, there is one basic premise you should understand:
God sees the objective truth. If you worry about what people and their social structures are concerned with instead of God, who sees all and knows all, you have chosen the world over God.

The choice we make in this life is between God and the world. There is a false god to lead us astray, if we let it, as well.

Anyways, considering your honoring of Anubis, I doubt you will hear me.
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took me awhile cuz it's such a simplistic statement for such a huge concept. One that I don't think you're asserting completely correct in its nature. I'm not sure if I'm up to the task either as I would be at arms with mentality in general. I don't know what to say. Either, "you'd do well not to assume worldly thought always coincides with the abandonment of God", or "forgive me". You'll have to just forgive me for my relationship to Anubis, I don't revere him. I don't feel like explaining myself to yet another Christian.



posted on Feb, 5 2014 @ 02:52 PM
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That will teach me to try to get a straight answer from you.
Some things I know, some things I have opinions on, and some things I just don't know.
And then there are some things that are just too fuzzy to figure out a neat explanation for.
As for the "sin" thing, Jesus would have of course crossed boundaries as part of any life in this world but it would not have been from a willful desire to disobey God.
Problems come into people's lives when they want to set God aside and say, "stay over here and I am going over there because I want to do some things that I know you would not approve of".
Jesus would never have done that.



posted on Feb, 5 2014 @ 02:58 PM
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I don't know if Jesus sinned.. I think he might have said the Lord's name in vain when he asked Him "Why hast thou forsaken me?" on the cross. /shrug, maybe, maybe not.

God's wrath is interesting to think about as I have stated in another thread, and think the understanding relies on the concept "burden of being God".



posted on Feb, 5 2014 @ 03:01 PM
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jmdewey60
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That will teach me to try to get a straight answer from you.
Some things I know, some things I have opinions on, and some things I just don't know.
And then there are some things that are just too fuzzy to figure out a neat explanation for.
As for the "sin" thing, Jesus would have of course crossed boundaries as part of any life in this world but it would not have been from a willful desire to disobey God.
Problems come into people's lives when they want to set God aside and say, "stay over here and I am going over there because I want to do some things that I know you would not approve of".
Jesus would never have done that.


You know what you have no way of knowing about Jesus without being with him always.

Thanks for the logical fallacy.

We always end up in the same hole and that is why I mostly do not engage with you anymore.

Regards
DL



posted on Feb, 5 2014 @ 03:05 PM
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Jarring
I don't know if Jesus sinned.. I think he might have said the Lord's name in vain when he asked Him "Why hast thou forsaken me?" on the cross. /shrug, maybe, maybe not.

God's wrath is interesting to think about as I have stated in another thread, and think the understanding relies on the concept "burden of being God".


Being absentee for so long, he may have decided to do some anger management and abdicate his throne.

Then again, Jesus retired his wrathful ass when he decided that man had to go only through him. A forced retirement for dad.

Regards
DL



posted on Feb, 5 2014 @ 03:06 PM
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Greatest I am

FlyersFan

Greatest I am
Then you have yet to find him. A shame that.

We'll see. Time will tell. At any rate, you can't accurately judge my soul ... so I"m not worried about it.



Nor I my friend.

My belief says that we all get to heaven so I did not judge. I just opined that it is a shame that you have yet to get one hell of an eye opening learning experience.

Regards
DL


Depends on your definition of heaven and the frame of time you are talking about. Also is the you that is you now the same you that you will be?



posted on Feb, 5 2014 @ 03:11 PM
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LittleByLittle

Greatest I am

FlyersFan

Greatest I am
Then you have yet to find him. A shame that.

We'll see. Time will tell. At any rate, you can't accurately judge my soul ... so I"m not worried about it.



Nor I my friend.

My belief says that we all get to heaven so I did not judge. I just opined that it is a shame that you have yet to get one hell of an eye opening learning experience.

Regards
DL


Depends on your definition of heaven and the frame of time you are talking about. Also is the you that is you now the same you that you will be?


Who mentioned heaven?

But to answer your question. Of course not. We all evolve daily. Weird question. Where do you want to go with it?

Regards
DL
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