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Atheism being accepted as “Today’s Religion” over all religions?

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posted on Feb, 5 2014 @ 09:54 AM
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Aphorism
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that is one thing that defines them yes, but even that stands on their belief that there are no deities.


Rejecting the existence of deities does not in any way mean that one is siding with chaos. Chaos is just a theory.


that's not what i was referring to when I was mentioning chaos.




posted on Feb, 5 2014 @ 09:55 AM
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Jarring
this is moreso agnosticism, but even that is a religion. pretty much anything you can believe, think, or label is a religion, from the days of the week to a grand sense of things.


This is just a theist attempting to bring everyone else down to his/her level.....because you know your position is irrational...



posted on Feb, 5 2014 @ 09:55 AM
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Pretty interesting. I know it's hard to believe, but it could be argued that humanity is a paradigm for the universe, something that perhaps has never happened before in it's history, but might affect everything.

But brains are nothing without the rest of the body.



posted on Feb, 5 2014 @ 09:57 AM
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that's not what i was referring to when I was mentioning chaos.


Then you meant nihilism? Or perhaps you can tell me what you meant by chaos.



posted on Feb, 5 2014 @ 09:57 AM
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Jarring

me or the dictionary? you sure i'm the one that's self-describing?


You and every other theist that attempts to use this 'argument'...



posted on Feb, 5 2014 @ 09:58 AM
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Aphorism
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Nothing, I don't know why it would matter in the world today what religion or faith, or lack there of matters. It has no place in democracy.


Then why are you in a religion forum defending atheism?


Because I hate when people try to label me as being in a religion. When I'm not ... once you start putting labels on things it gets all distorted into something that's completely different to begin with.

How am I supposed to describe myself as someone who doesn't meet weekly or pray, or do everything else that a religious person does? You can easily call someone who hits the gym every day in the religion of the gym if you really wanted to get that picky with labels and such.



posted on Feb, 5 2014 @ 10:00 AM
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strongfp

Aphorism
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Nothing, I don't know why it would matter in the world today what religion or faith, or lack there of matters. It has no place in democracy.


Then why are you in a religion forum defending atheism?


Because I hate when people try to label me as being in a religion. When I'm not ... once you start putting labels on things it gets all distorted into something that's completely different to begin with.

How am I supposed to describe myself as someone who doesn't meet weekly or pray, or do everything else that a religious person does? You can easily call someone who hits the gym every day in the religion of the gym if you really wanted to get that picky with labels and such.


Then you're not religious, you're spiritual.



posted on Feb, 5 2014 @ 10:02 AM
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Aphorism
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that's not what i was referring to when I was mentioning chaos.


Then you meant nihilism? Or perhaps you can tell me what you meant by chaos.


i see religion from a broad, or simplistic point of view. and to be without it is to assume innocence from the world, completely unaware of any truth in your surroundings...therefore being witness to a consistent chaos without any knowledge of it.



posted on Feb, 5 2014 @ 10:05 AM
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AI,I think it could evolve into one of sorts.



posted on Feb, 5 2014 @ 10:06 AM
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So you think the truth of the world is chaos? Is that just the world, or the universe?



posted on Feb, 5 2014 @ 10:07 AM
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Aphorism
reply to post by Stormdancer777
 


Pretty interesting. I know it's hard to believe, but it could be argued that humanity is a paradigm for the universe, something that perhaps has never happened before in it's history, but might affect everything.

But brains are nothing without the rest of the body.


paradigm for the universe, I have thought about that, everything is connected.



posted on Feb, 5 2014 @ 10:09 AM
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no, lol, you have to think of it from a rhetorical point of view. Like, it might not truthfully be chaotic, you'd just be completely ignorant to everything, so it would SEEM like chaos.



posted on Feb, 5 2014 @ 10:16 AM
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Jarring
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no, lol, you have to think of it from a rhetorical point of view. Like, it might not truthfully be chaotic, you'd just be completely ignorant to everything, so it would SEEM like chaos.


Ah. Okay. So you're comparing religion to Orphan Annie's decoder ring?



posted on Feb, 5 2014 @ 10:20 AM
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I think I get what you're referring to...
but boiled down if i'm correct in what you mean, like a label machine...generally, yes. it can get more complicated, though, as all beliefs do, especially for the self-righteous.

even more-so when the self-righteous place the morality of their actions as the will of God to dodge enmity
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posted on Feb, 5 2014 @ 10:53 AM
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I think I'm beginning to understand your point in atheism not being a religion.
I just don't see how you can deny having come from a place that denies any conception of God given to you thus far.
I don't think you can, even then, in order for IT to be non-religious, you'd have to acknowledge your ignorance of God. Then your religion would be your ignorance of God, and more-or-less agnosticism.

I have a bad feeling my point won't be taken ~.~;

idk, i guess put simply, it's probably best not to lean towards another religion to avoid being labeled a religion.



posted on Feb, 5 2014 @ 10:58 AM
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I think I'm beginning to understand your point in atheism not being a religion.


I thought this post covered that already.


I just don't see how you can deny having come from a place that denies any conception of God given to you thus far.


This made no sense, at all.



posted on Feb, 5 2014 @ 11:01 AM
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AfterInfinity
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I think I'm beginning to understand your point in atheism not being a religion.


I thought this post covered that already.


I just don't see how you can deny having come from a place that denies any conception of God given to you thus far.


This made no sense, at all.


let me rephrase, you've denied any claims in the existence of God given to you thus far.



posted on Feb, 5 2014 @ 11:03 AM
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let me rephrase, you've denied any claims in the existence of God given to you thus far.


Have you tried giving me a plausible description of the nature, origin, and intentions of such an entity? I know you've tried giving me a description, but it fell short of what I would call "plausible". And even if it were plausible, I would find myself averse to complete dependence on such a being. Such a relationship is comparable to a drug addiction. Which accounts for my other definition of atheism: living without or regardless of the assistance or approval of a god, should it be conclusively proven there is one.

Although I would hesitate to use the word denying, as I haven't denied anything so much as failed to be convinced. And is it my fault that the sales representatives of so powerful a being are so bad at their self-appointed jobs?
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posted on Feb, 5 2014 @ 11:06 AM
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AfterInfinity
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let me rephrase, you've denied any claims in the existence of God given to you thus far.


Have you tried giving me a plausible description of the nature, origin, and intentions of such an entity? I know you've tried giving me a description, but it fell short of what I would call "plausible". And even if it were plausible, I would find myself averse to complete dependence on such a being. Such a relationship is comparable to a drug addiction. Which accounts for my other definition of atheism: living without or regardless of the assistance or approval of a god, should it be conclusively proven there is one.
edit on 5-2-2014 by AfterInfinity because: (no reason given)


no, i told you that I would never try to prove God exists to you, and that I don't think I am capable of such. I was arguing the point of futility in its argument, and we got into testing.
edit on 01/24/14 by Jarring because: i make all kinds of mistakes, its and it's being a reoccuring one lol



posted on Feb, 5 2014 @ 11:07 AM
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AfterInfinity
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let me rephrase, you've denied any claims in the existence of God given to you thus far.


Have you tried giving me a plausible description of the nature, origin, and intentions of such an entity? I know you've tried giving me a description, but it fell short of what I would call "plausible". And even if it were plausible, I would find myself averse to complete dependence on such a being. Such a relationship is comparable to a drug addiction. Which accounts for my other definition of atheism: living without or regardless of the assistance or approval of a god, should it be conclusively proven there is one.
edit on 5-2-2014 by AfterInfinity because: (no reason given)


no, i told you that I would never try to prove God exists to you, and that I don't think I am capable of such. I was arguing the point of futility in it's argument, and we got into testing.


I stand by my previous statement that anything which is true is capable of being tested. You may not enjoy the test, and it may have a price, but it can be tested.



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