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Alex Jones, David Icke, Ventura

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posted on Feb, 3 2014 @ 04:29 PM
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reply to post by Panne
 


Pay attention to the first part of your post. Pay very close attention to the wording as well (conspiracy movement). Just looking to promote thought.




posted on Feb, 3 2014 @ 04:37 PM
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You have lost me mate, but maybe that's not a bad thing? hx



posted on Feb, 3 2014 @ 04:50 PM
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happinness
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You have lost me mate, but maybe that's not a bad thing? hx


The most widespread cover for psychological experimentation is to make the subject of the experiments exhibit symptoms of mental illness. A combination of drugs, stress, and perception management (and in some cases a little hypnotism) can literally make a sane person appear to be crazy for years to come. That way the shrinks that don't know about the current methods being used just think you are crazy, even if they are aware of the history of psychological experimentation. It's a fairly old trick. It is surprising that it virtually always works given the history of 1st world countries. I mean it is public knowledge that it has been going on forever, and well documented at that, but for some reason people always think they are excluded from things that are outside of what people consider ordinary. It might have something to do with their need to feel like they control their environment.

Anyways, considering how you are talking, I thought you might want to know (you seem to have met someone you think is more powerful than they really are, and on top of that you *sound* crazy, not to say that you really are crazy).

Although, it is possible you really are crazy I guess. I wouldn't know the difference.
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posted on Feb, 3 2014 @ 04:54 PM
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FreeWillAnomaly
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A bunch of spys and 3 perception management specialists talked about 9-11 conspiracy theories.

Wow, thanks. You are really breaking down barriers here. That completely proves your point.
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Yes, it does.

I've yet to see you prove ANY of your "points."

We're all waiting for you to show some honest-to-God evidence, not just ignorant accusations.

You're the only one here spreading disinformation, and until you provide proof, or at LEAST strong probable cause, you are not right. We're all waiting for you to prove us wrong, now go for it.



posted on Feb, 3 2014 @ 05:00 PM
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XxNightAngelusxX

FreeWillAnomaly
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A bunch of spys and 3 perception management specialists talked about 9-11 conspiracy theories.

Wow, thanks. You are really breaking down barriers here. That completely proves your point.
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Yes, it does.

I've yet to see you prove ANY of your "points."

We're all waiting for you to show some honest-to-God evidence, not just ignorant accusations.

You're the only one here spreading disinformation, and until you provide proof, or at LEAST strong probable cause, you are not right. We're all waiting for you to prove us wrong, now go for it.



Define "honest-to-God" evidence, and define ignorant.

I am not looking to "prove you wrong." I am looking to promote thought. Anyways, it is obvious that those 3 are perceptions management specialists so I don't feel a need to provide evidence, and even if I did link to evidence - it would just turn into a pointless debate. Go research perception management tactics and then go watch some of their videos. Not hard to see.



posted on Feb, 3 2014 @ 05:08 PM
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I am not looking to "prove you wrong." I am looking to promote thought. Anyways, it is obvious that those 3 are perceptions management specialists so I don't feel a need to provide evidence, and even if I did link to evidence - it would just turn into a pointless debate. Go research perception management tactics and then go watch some of their videos. Not hard to see.



Pointless debate?!

Didn't you start a thread on a website that's soul purpose is to debate about conspiracy related topics? If you want to promote thought, you don't present flat opinions with nothing to back them. You wanna know what promotes thought?

Evidence, probable cause, connections.... that sort of thing.

Not pointing and name-calling like a five year old.

Also, that interview with Jesse Ventura I posted was pretty raw and real, just like your average Alex Jones rant. Perception management? I don't think so, try again.


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posted on Feb, 3 2014 @ 05:12 PM
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Swills
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More truth in a politicians speech... this thread loses all creditability.

I can understand people's beef with Icke & Jones but Ventura?

Like I said, no creditability.

How can you say politicians have no credibility but then stick up for only Ventura? He IS a politician.



posted on Feb, 3 2014 @ 05:19 PM
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*Was* a politician. Now he is just another perception management guy. He was even on TV with the rest of them.



posted on Feb, 3 2014 @ 05:21 PM
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All we are asking is that you put up some type of link or a source backing specialized perception mangers. While I am sure they exist we are asking that you show how one of the three people that you speak of demonstrate being one of those. You don't have like a youtube video at least of someone breaking that down? If it is so simple and widely out there then why would it be so hard for your to throw up a couple links?
If you are trying to provoke thought, give use something besides your misguided hateful ignorant words to go off of. All you have done is refuse to prove anything and try and humiliate people. How is that though provoking. You should be showing us more information then we can handle if you are truly trying to provoke the thought not steer it



posted on Feb, 3 2014 @ 05:26 PM
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No, Mr. "I like to get on tangents about 9-11 and dumb zionist conspiracies," the purpose of this website is not to debate about conspiracy theories. I try to avoid debating about anything, let lone the vague term of conspiracy theories.

Could you remind me, what is the "conspiracy community" that you referred to earlier? Can you define it for me?



posted on Feb, 3 2014 @ 05:30 PM
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FreeWillAnomaly
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*Was* a politician. Now he is just another perception management guy. He was even on TV with the rest of them.


I know what you're getting at with this "perception management" thing, but you're using the theory terribly. Ventura is not at ALL using any method of "appealing to the public" with his words in that interview... or ever.

That debate was a regular argument, with Ventura and the Fox News guy occasionally talking over one another, the news guy getting upset and riled up, and Ventura making his points solidly. It was a raw, pure debate, and it was no form of perception management. Do you think Fox was happy about this happening?

Do you think CNN was happy about Alex Jones exploding on the Piers Morgan Show?

Of course not, because they weren't allowed any second interviews.

You're gonna need to give this some deeper thought before you go posting threads and telling other people what to think. That's all we're saying.


No, Mr. "I like to get on tangents about 9-11 and dumb zionist conspiracies," the purpose of this website is not to debate about conspiracy theories. I try to avoid debating about anything, let lone the vague term of conspiracy theories.

Could you remind me, what is the "conspiracy community" that you referred to earlier? Can you define it for me?


Jesus-H-Christ...

I'm not a "mr." I'm a female.

If you paid any attention to my posts, you'd understand that I do NOT agree with zionist conspiracies. This site, AboveTopSecret.com, who's motto is "deny ignorance," was indeed intended for the alternative community, meaning conspiracy theorists. Forums are intended specifically for debating.

If you try not to debate about anything, you're on the wrong damn site.


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posted on Feb, 3 2014 @ 05:31 PM
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I know what you're getting at with this "perception management" thing, but you're using the theory terribly.



What theory?

You do realize what you are doing right?

Do you think CNN put Alex Jones on TV for any reason other than to have him act out his persona?

I don't think there is any point in this discussion. Go do research on world view warfare and perception management. Make sure to turn your filter on. Oh, and whatever "conspiracy community" you are apart of - leave it.
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posted on Feb, 3 2014 @ 05:32 PM
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FreeWillAnomaly
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No, Mr. "I like to get on tangents about 9-11 and dumb zionist conspiracies," the purpose of this website is not to debate about conspiracy theories. I try to avoid debating about anything, let lone the vague term of conspiracy theories.

Could you remind me, what is the "conspiracy community" that you referred to earlier? Can you define it for me?


Please show us the purpose of this site according to you. You obviously have little grasp of how this site works, everyone can tell by the way you present yourself and continue to post the most ignorant things.

The conspiracy community is people that gather around and talk (debate is actually preferred) about possible conspiracies... I am sure you understand that, why would some one need to further define that for you..



posted on Feb, 3 2014 @ 05:40 PM
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FreeWillAnomaly
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I know what you're getting at with this "perception management" thing, but you're using the theory terribly.



What theory?

You do realize what you are doing right?

Do you think CNN put Alex Jones on TV for any reason other than to have him act out his persona?

I don't think there is any point in this discussion. Go do research on world view warfare and perception management. Make sure to turn your filter on. Oh, and whatever "conspiracy community" you are apart of - leave it.
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Perception Management - Actions to convey and/or deny selected information and indicators to foreign audiences to influence their emotions, motives, and objective reasoning as well as to intelligence systems and leaders at all levels to influence official estimates, ultimately resulting in foreign behaviors and official actions favorable to the originator's objectives. In various ways, perception management combines truth projection, operations security, cover and deception, and psychological operations. See also psychological operations.


Source

Sounds a lot more like mainstream media than alternative media to me.

Watch both of these videos, and you tell me which one seems to fit the definition of perception management more.

This one;



Or this one;



Its obvious.



posted on Feb, 3 2014 @ 05:50 PM
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Alex is a real person. He's just an investigative journalist. He's not a prophet. Not all his stories turn out to be 100% accurate.
He's spent his life trying to fight corruption. That's all he cares about. I take personal issue with a few of his beliefs but appreciate
what he's done. If you allow yourself to get caught up in the insane allegations of controlled-opposition, Jewish spy etc, you're being made
a fool of.

I don't understand why it's so hard for people to understand what Alex does. He's not someone you follow, listen to everyday, look up to, etc.
If you already think for yourself and your eyes are open to the world around you don't need to listen to Alex Jones. He's there to try to shake
people out of the stupor. He's the guy screaming "the end is nigh!" from the screen corner but on a global level. He is one of many doing what he can in that respect. If you think you've "woken up" but rely on someone like Alex to do your thinking for you then you're not woken up you're still just a member of a flock following a different shepherd.



posted on Feb, 3 2014 @ 07:08 PM
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I don't feel the need in any way to defend myself. My other half wouldn't entertain me if I was a sandwich short of a picnic, I can assure you!

I am more scared of him than I am the aliens lol

Take my word for it ... they are already here. You heard it from the Russians, the Canadians and I heard that in Norway there is a 10 lane motorway that goes to nowhere with a big eyeball watching over you.

David Icke has done his bit over the years to try to educate the masses as have the others. You either take it on board or you don't. But don't say that you weren't warned, because one day my friend it could be you or one of your loved ones facing the truth and no one believes you. I could say there are a few on ATS. The law of averages say there must be. I can tell from a picture, I am that sure.
In my reality I can spot one a mile off ... figure of speech. Usually tall and skinny, but don't use that description as the norm, because they look exactly how we imagine them to look. Names are a good give away too. You will know when the time comes.

hx



posted on Feb, 3 2014 @ 07:22 PM
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Got a name for the 10 lane highway? That sounds very interesting.



posted on Feb, 3 2014 @ 08:16 PM
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you wont links?
do a search on ATS!
it has been talk't about a Lot in the past.

A Conspiracy is some thing that can Not be proven.
or it would not be a Conspiracy!

humm! so many posts in a short time?
it has been so quiet until now?
not just this post.



posted on Feb, 3 2014 @ 08:59 PM
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Alex is a real person. He's just an investigative journalist. He's not a prophet. Not all his stories turn out to be 100% accurate.
He's spent his life trying to fight corruption. That's all he cares about. I take perusonal issue with a few of his beliefs but appreciate
what he's done. If you allow yourself to get caught up in the insane allegations of controlled-opposition, Jewish spy etc, you're being made
a fool of.

I don't understand why it's so hard for people to understand what Alex does. He's not someone you follow, listen to everyday, look up to, etc.
If you already think for yourself and your eyes are open to the world around you don't need to listen to Alex Jones. He's there to try to shake
people out of the stupor. He's the guy screaming "the end is nigh!" from the screen corner but on a global level. He is one of many doing what he can in that respect. If you think you've "woken up" but rely on someone like Alex to do your thinking for you then you're not woken up you're still just a member of a flock following a different shepherd.


He's an investigative journalist???? Lol!!

He's a carnival barker whose sole purpose is to prey on peoples' fears so that he can exploit them for profit



posted on Feb, 4 2014 @ 02:19 AM
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He's a carnival barker whose sole purpose is to prey on peoples' fears so that he can exploit them for profit



I'm pretty sure that those little rag-tag documentaries he was making when he was my age weren't exactly raking in the bills. I have seen his first documentary, and let me tell you, it was a one-camera-man operation he set out and made by himself. That sounds like a driven guy following a calling, not a money-hungry business man.

I'm not a blind follower of Alex Jones. I've considered every conspiracy on the man's name enough times to tell you, I don't believe a single one of them. They involve one of four things; Alex Jones being an evil jew out to rule the world, Alex Jones being a reptoid disinformation agent, Alex Jones being Bill Hicks in disguise, and Alex Jones being a money hungry billionaire.

That is laughable at best, yet some folks believe those dumb speculations like its gospel.

The guy is, as the other poster said, just a person.

Like you and me.

The guy didn't start out on that alternative-community throne, he climbed up there. People who are out on the streets and actually "walking the walk" as its said, no matter how much you may disagree with their methods or ideas, are already doing a lot more than people like you, sitting on a computer passing ignorant judgments and accusations about someone you've never even met.

Get over yourself.

This argument is getting old, from all of you who are continuing to excrete it out of your faces. Please, just stop.



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