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Nibiru/Planet X The Thread...(Part Deux)

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posted on Feb, 3 2014 @ 01:22 PM
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I think most disinfo agents start with the basest of motives, the monetary one, but due to cognitive dissonance end up believing the lies they spout and acquire ideological motives.

Jim Marrs, the esteemed author and guest contributor on here (why would he be on ATS if his claims were not worthy of consideration?), lays out a good case for the Annunaki being on earth a few thousand years ago, he lays out evidence from the Bible as well as the many cover-ups of giant skeletons in our recent and modern times, in his book "Our Occulted History", where he uses the world "occulted" to mean otherworldly, not in the witchcraft sense. Have you read it? If you are interested in these kinds of things it would be a good read for you.

Even though there is strong evidence the Annunaki lived on Earth in the not too-distant past, I think the evidence is tenuous at best that they came from Nibiru/Planet X, though if the atmosphere of Nibiru/Planet X does use atomized gold to retain its heat it would help explain man's long-standing fascination with gold, we were and are helping them obtain it for their planet, unwittingly or not. Maybe that's where all the gold in Fort Knox went?



Namaste









posted on Feb, 3 2014 @ 02:44 PM
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I think most disinfo agents start with the basest of motives, the monetary one, but due to cognitive dissonance end up believing the lies they spout and acquire ideological motives.


So you are trying to say anyone who looks at the information and makes their own informed decision that is contrary to yours, is guilty of doing so for monetary gain? Isn't that the same as accusing us all that have disagreed with you of being Paid Shills which I believe you were asked not to do by staff?



posted on Feb, 3 2014 @ 02:52 PM
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I think most disinfo agents start with the basest of motives, the monetary one, but due to cognitive dissonance end up believing the lies they spout and acquire ideological motives.


What is your motivation for continuing to post things that have been shown time and again to be false or intentionally distorted?



posted on Feb, 3 2014 @ 03:18 PM
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www.zetatalk.com...


Here is a little about the person who started that site...and Nibiru...


The idea of the Nibiru encounter originated with Nancy Lieder, a Wisconsin woman who claims that as a girl she was contacted by gray extraterrestrials called Zetas, who implanted a communications device in her brain. In 1995, she founded the website ZetaTalk to disseminate her ideas.[4]



Roughly a week before the supposed arrival of Planet X, Lieder appeared on KROQ-FM radio in Los Angeles, and advised listeners to put their pets down in anticipation of the event. When asked if she had done so, she replied that she had, and that "The puppies are in a happy place." She also advised that "A dog makes a good meal".[11] After the 2003 date passed without incident, Lieder said that it was merely a "White Lie ... to fool the establishment."[12] She refused to disclose the true date, saying that to do so would give those in power enough time to declare martial law and trap people in cities during the shift, leading to their deaths.[13]


en.wikipedia.org...

Sorry, not even remotely close to being a credible site with credible evidence.

Also many of your links have nothing to do with Nibiru, or any planet/star that would come close to Earth.



posted on Feb, 3 2014 @ 03:42 PM
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It certainly isn't a hoax,if so the grandest one ever with implanted information, evidence,artifacts,scripts over many millenia..Thats proposterous,as this information has come to light after being blatently hidden/supressed..With some of it being found by chance i.e artifacts,texts.


You do understand that most of what you think is evidence that Nibiru is real is either misinterpreted, or all out fabrications.



posted on Feb, 3 2014 @ 05:53 PM
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PlanetXisHERE
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I think most disinfo agents start with the basest of motives, the monetary one, but due to cognitive dissonance end up believing the lies they spout and acquire ideological motives.

Oh...got me...I must be a disinfo agent since I am more wealthy now not believing in this stuff.

I still have books and books on this stuff (in the loft) bought with my student pennies 30 years ago which I now know funded those authors lifestyles....nothing more than that. The intervening years, and the internet, and the ability to cross reference information, and distinguish between original and copied information, have enabled me to determine that the Nibiru stuff is complete utter nonsense. What is jaw dropping is that when I was 30 years younger I only had those books and "The Unexplained" magazine series etc etc. Today we all have vast amounts of information at our fingertips and yet still fall for the total nonsense spouted by certain individuals who want you to buy their books !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Cognitive dissonance works both ways, however, you can usually tell who is suffering when facts are ignored. Fact : Zecharia Sitchin mistranslated Sumerian texts which is where Nibiru and the Anunnaki originated. Since ok got that SINCE...that means in the years AFTER he translated those Sumerian texts the Sumerian language has become easier to read (due to cross referencing, other sources etc etc). So we now know for a fact that his translations were WRONG !!!!!......come on wake up. Sitchin has sold millions of books.....that means he has never had to work for a living , surely a "basest of motives , the monetary one" (you wrote it not me !).



posted on Feb, 3 2014 @ 07:14 PM
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Aleister
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...but a brown dwarf star or rampaging planet would not flash freeze anything, just the opposite I'd assume, as it neared.


How about when the Planet X goes zooming past at, I'm guess 20,000+mph (based on the Earths orbit around the Sun. I'd guess a large elliptical orbit would be of far greater speed as it approaches it's Periapsis) and rips our atmosphere nearly completely off, leaving it a big streaking cloud and us exposed to the temperatures of space... Think 'Day after tomorrow' - the movie but at 20,000+mph.

This is just guessing of course, but reasonable, logical and plausible.



posted on Feb, 3 2014 @ 07:44 PM
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It's good to see judging by the stars on some of the posts that there is still much interest in this topic, and such a topic is well-deserving of further research, I'm glad to see so many posters devoting time and thought to this subject. If Nibiru/Planet X exists, there could be ramifications for planet Earth.



posted on Feb, 3 2014 @ 07:48 PM
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Buddyman
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Excuse me for that hiccup i will try and ammend it, i did read the policy but it was very small print


I didn't accuse anyone specifically of being paid to post on here, we just know for a fact that paid disinfo agents do exist and are rife on the internet and it would be the height of naivety to assume there were none on a conspiracy website discussing most of the topics that the controllers of the world would like kept secret.



posted on Feb, 3 2014 @ 08:07 PM
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crzayfool

Aleister
reply to post by Buddyman
 

...but a brown dwarf star or rampaging planet would not flash freeze anything, just the opposite I'd assume, as it neared.


How about when the Planet X goes zooming past at, I'm guess 20,000+mph (based on the Earths orbit around the Sun. I'd guess a large elliptical orbit would be of far greater speed as it approaches it's Periapsis) and rips our atmosphere nearly completely off, leaving it a big streaking cloud and us exposed to the temperatures of space... Think 'Day after tomorrow' - the movie but at 20,000+mph.

This is just guessing of course, but reasonable, logical and plausible.


Try 67,000+ Mph. That is how fast the Earth travels around the sun. So if another body were to some how remain stationary (it can't, everything in the solar system orbits the sun), that would be the minimum relative speed.

But it wouldn't just "rip off our atmosphere" (and if it had done that before.....there would not be any life on Earth now. 3,600 years would not be enough time for volcanoes to help replace the atmosphere lost, and even if it was....there would not be very much oxygen at all).

In order to have enough gravitational pull to "rip off our atmosphere", it would have to pass close enough to where Earth would be well within it's Roche Limit. It would shatter the Earth.

Instead, depending on how close it were to pass, how much mass it has, it would instead redirect the Earth (and other planets) and would change our orbits to where they were more eccentric (would be even more of a elliptical, oval, shape).

Here are some simulations I did using Universal Sand box of Nibiru. Each video is in 1080 HD and can be watched in fullscreen:

Nibiru magically appears next to the sun (this was due to all the YouTube videos people were posting on here claiming that Nibiru could be seen right next to the sun):



Nibiru "behind the sun": claims of it being in the same orbit as Earth, but always on the other side of the sun. Watch what happens....say goodbye to Venus...and watch Earth's orbit radically change to where we get closer to the sun than Mercury:



And here we have Nibiru making a 10 million mile pass by Earth, first at 15 Jupiter masses, and again at only 4 Jupiter masses...say goodbye to the Earth:



You do not even need anything as massive as a Brown Dwarf. Here is a video I did showing how using the planet Neptune, you could capture the Earth from it's orbit around the sun, and have it fall into orbit around Neptune (if Neptune were to some how leave it's orbit and pass close enough to the Earth):



So no....no ripping away the atmosphere so that mammoths are "flash frozen" (which they were not in the first place).



posted on Feb, 3 2014 @ 09:21 PM
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Buddyman
-Armagheddon seed bank in svaalbad Norway

-An operation by the U.S army in Iraq,by the name of 'Operation planet X' it is widely accepted this was to retreive Sumerien artifacts..Incidently Planet X is so called...as in X = 10 in Roman numerals i.e 10th planet

-Disinformation/shill campaigns online,with many videos being removed quickly and of coarse the large dis/misinformation campaigns and discrediting or ridicule online

-Project WORMWOOD Learmouth observatory Australia(link provided in a later post)

-Need we remind ourselves that the powers that be have infiltrated every aspect of study/profession and control what is released and the direction they wish to take it,hence the discrediting of this subject generally,although, like i say, i think the mainstream is warming us to the concept,certainly for those perceptive enough to connect the dots and hear the subtle message IMO

-UFO sightings exponential increase to date

-Elenin/Ison psyops to be made to blame for increase in fireballs

-Nazi order of the Black Sun i.e Nibiru

-Logos/company badges depicting winged disk




So there it is guys!! I know there is a lot more even still to add to this..certainly in terms of current events,even more so,events around us on the planet locally and further afield abroad which there is generally a media black out on preventing suspicion i think,i can provide more links in the future with info on current affairs for those who are interested.


(Links in next post..Give me an hour lol)



So thanks for reading this!! I will leave it to your discernment..have a good one!!






Its not the tenth planet though is it?
Paet of the evidence for Nibiru is that earth was called the 7th planet... By the people that described all the other planets (and moons) before modernity caught up. Therefore if they were accurate about each other planet, then they are accurate about earth being number 7 (counted from the outside in).

For me this is the most compelling.
People can rubbish the search for a 'tenth planet', but its difficult to argue with the search for number 1. Interestingly the orang asli of malaysia also call earth number 7... Still!

I always took the 'x' as shorthand for 'mystery' or 'unknown' such as x-files, nothing to do with the roman numeral system which is just a coincidence.
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posted on Feb, 3 2014 @ 11:01 PM
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tsurfer2000h
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Got a kitchen sink to throw in there too?


Give it some time, as that is the only thing not being presented as evidence...Yet.


Agree as Buddyman is just showing the Anomalies of the Resent ! Strange as it as it Sounds

well the theory goes along way ... Some Scientist thing our Solar system is a Binary System !! as there is Plenty of them in this galaxy !!

Interesting ...

Sun has binary partner, may affect the Earth
Sep 13, 2005
phys.org...

By William Brown

A Companion to our Sun?
www.viewzone.com...

Binary Stars:
abyss.uoregon.edu...

The theory we inhabit a Binary Star system?
www.abovetopsecret.com...


Tyche - Is The Sun's Dead Binary At The Edge Of The Solar System?
By Hank Campbell | March 23rd 2011 12:00 PM
www.science20.com...

Well in a Science Book in the 80s Some thought the same

Space Probe Section of the Book

How It Works
The New Illustrated Science and Invention Encyclopedia
Volume 18: Sheet Metal/ Space Vehicle

Published by H.S. Stuttman Inc.
Westport, Connecticut 06889
Marshall Cavendish Limited 1987, 1989



(( for the Nibiru lovers out there ) see the real book video

The 1987 New Science and Invention Encyclopedia, Volume 18 SHEE-SPAC
www.nibiruupdate.com...

Well not in our time but

Meanwhile back in the 1930s


When Worlds Collide
en.wikipedia.org...


Plot summary Sven Bronson, a South African astronomer, discovers that a pair of rogue planets, Bronson Alpha and Bronson Beta, will soon enter the solar system. The larger one, Alpha, will pass close enough to cause catastrophic damage. Eight months later, after swinging around the Sun, Alpha will return to pulverize the Earth and leave. It is believed that Bronson Beta will remain and assume a stable orbit. Scientists led by Cole Hendron work desperately to build ships to transport enough people, animals and equipment to Bronson Beta in an attempt to save the human race. Governments are skeptical, but the scientists persist and develop the technology necessary for the spacecraft, which are built in various countries. Nations including the United States evacuate their coastal regions in preparation for the Bronson bodies' first pass. Tidal waves reach heights of hundreds of meters, volcanic eruptions and earthquakes take their deadly toll, and the weather runs wild for more than two days. As a token of things to come, Bronson Alpha's first pass takes out the Moon. The isolated Hendron camp manages to build two ships which take off together with all of the survivors of the camp (after beating off an attack from refugees desperate to escape). One ship makes a successful landing, but without radio contact with any other ships, the crew members assume that only they made it across. They find that Beta is habitable and that there are traces of a native civilization wiped out when, millions of years before, the planet was torn away from its sun.



hmm interesting sound like what Stichen has said !! of what happened to earth long long ago ! but Stichen was like 12 years old when this book was published .. tiamat and earth collide and then the Noah Ark thing sounds familier a Space Noah Ark..
When Worlds Collide (1951 film)
en.wikipedia.org...

in the 1950s




Scientific Research on Solar System Brown Dwarf and Planet X.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Very interesting

After Worlds Collide
en.wikipedia.org...


At Hendron's order, an exploratory aircraft is built from remnants of the Ark and its rockets, and Tony Drake sets off with writer Eliot James. They follow the road and discover a domed city. These are the remains of a native civilization, whose builders were essentially humanoid and had considerably higher technology than humanity. This species built five domed cities specifically to survive as their world went into interstellar space, but ultimately decided to simply go extinct after they were completed. The Americans explore the city for three days and then fly south and discover a search light beaming up in the dark. They discover it to be the second Ark from Hendron's encampment on Earth that had a disastrous landing, but they make a joyous reunion with its commander, Dave Ransdell. Ransdell's camp also saw a mysterious aircraft, long enough to see it had "lark's wings".


Anunnaki it seems ...

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posted on Feb, 4 2014 @ 05:26 AM
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Its not the tenth planet though is it?
Paet of the evidence for Nibiru is that earth was called the 7th planet... By the people that described all the other planets (and moons) before modernity caught up. Therefore if they were accurate about each other planet, then they are accurate about earth being number 7 (counted from the outside in).


The huge problem with that is that if you are going to consider Pluto a planet, then the seventh planet counting in from the outside would be Saturn! It's funny how modern science has passed by what charlatans like Sitchin thought was advanced knowledge back in the 60s and 70s!



posted on Feb, 4 2014 @ 06:42 AM
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Took me a few days to find this again but this is one of Nancy LIEder's own moderators spilling the dirt on Nancy and her failed and moronic claims about Planet X , Pay particular attention to the Red Filter stuff as the OP mentioned that specifically as well..

CoS Exposes Nancy Lieder



posted on Feb, 4 2014 @ 07:24 AM
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vkey08
Took me a few days to find this again but this is one of Nancy LIEder's own moderators spilling the dirt on Nancy and her failed and moronic claims about Planet X , Pay particular attention to the Red Filter stuff as the OP mentioned that specifically as well..

CoS Exposes Nancy Lieder


I think your post is off-topic, while the woman you mention speaks about Planet X, people have been speaking about Planet X centuries before she was ever around, and many more today and in the recent past have researched and spoken about Planet X without referencing that woman. So, was Robert Harrington spurred on by Nancy as well?

I can see you are trying to sneak in a combination of a few logical fallacies, including ad hominem and fallacy fallacy. So if Charles Manson had predicted Mount St. Helens erupting would that make the prediction any less valid?

No one here except you is talking about Nancy Lieder, but you obviously have strong feelings about her that you need to work through, so I suggest it may be cathartic if you start a thread entitled something along the lines of "Why I hate Nancy Lieder" or "Lies of Nancy Lieder" etc.

The topic of Planet X stands alone, and needs no support from a bi-polar crackpot with delusions of grandeur in the backwoods of Wisconsin, and certainly the discrediting of the latter is not relevant to the credibility of the former.




edit on 4-2-2014 by PlanetXisHERE because: epiphany



posted on Feb, 4 2014 @ 07:32 AM
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It is not off topic the OP mentioned several things that were specifically Nancy's doing, such as the red filter stuff, this moderator is exposing how she is capitalising on the fear and has no clear reality to deal with. This is just ONE of many things exposing the whole Planet X bit. The OP also mentions the Venus transit BS which is also a fallacy of Nancy's, it is sufficiently discussed in the linked article..



posted on Feb, 4 2014 @ 07:44 AM
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Wrong.

The OP specifically referenced a link to Zeta Talk in this link here:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Referencing supposed problems with the Venus transit......which is suppose to be evidence of Nibiru.

Showing the flaws of Zeta Talk is not off topic, because the creator of this thread decided to use it as a reference for evidence.



posted on Feb, 4 2014 @ 09:39 AM
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Another good site that does a very good job of showing the science behind why most of these theories about Planet X/Nibiru/Wormwood etc are wrong is this one:

Cosmophobia



posted on Feb, 4 2014 @ 09:57 AM
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eriktheawful
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Wrong.

The OP specifically referenced a link to Zeta Talk in this link here:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Referencing supposed problems with the Venus transit......which is suppose to be evidence of Nibiru.

Showing the flaws of Zeta Talk is not off topic, because the creator of this thread decided to use it as a reference for evidence.


I was trying to illustrate a logical fallacy, even though Nancy can be discredited, that has nothing to do with the credibility of the topic of Nibiru/Planet X.

How about this question Erik, was Robert Harrington influenced by the writings of Nancy?

If Charles Manson predicted the Mount St. Helens eruption, would the prediction be invalid because of the source? Or would the evidence be able to stand on its own?



posted on Feb, 4 2014 @ 10:25 AM
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PlanetXisHERE

eriktheawful
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Wrong.

The OP specifically referenced a link to Zeta Talk in this link here:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Referencing supposed problems with the Venus transit......which is suppose to be evidence of Nibiru.

Showing the flaws of Zeta Talk is not off topic, because the creator of this thread decided to use it as a reference for evidence.


I was trying to illustrate a logical fallacy, even though Nancy can be discredited, that has nothing to do with the credibility of the topic of Nibiru/Planet X.

How about this question Erik, was Robert Harrington influenced by the writings of Nancy?

If Charles Manson predicted the Mount St. Helens eruption, would the prediction be invalid because of the source? Or would the evidence be able to stand on its own?


Harrington's "planet X" has nothing to do with the proposed "doom planet" claimed by Nancy and the OP.
adsabs.harvard.edu...
His hypothesis was a 4x earth mass planet that never comes into the inner solar system and last reached perihelion some 200 years ago... and clearly it did not bring death and destruction with it or affect earth. Harrington never claimed it would.

If Charles Manson claimed a volcano named Mount St. Helens was the size of Olympus Mons on Mars and would destroy the earth when it erupts, he would still be wrong even when the real Mount St. Helens erupted. The OP's and Nancy's claimed planet does not exist. Neither does Harrington's, for that matter, but his proposed hypothetical planet had nothing to do with Nancy or the OP's claims.
articles.adsabs.harvard.edu...
Just because you co-opt the name of a real but disproven scientific hypothesis does not mean you have any credibility. Likewise, modern hypotheses of the potential for planet sized objects at even farther distances from the inner solar system, such as Matese and Whitmire's Tyche or even Rodney Gomes new version of a "planet X," have nothing to do with Harrington's original hypothesis nor do they have anything to do with the claims made by loonies like Nancy Lieder, Terral, or others. You can change the name of the loony whose claim you're pointing to all day long, but it does not mean your claim has any validity just because the name is co-opted from actual scientists.



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