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amfirst1
LOL capitalism created the middleclass. People have been brainwashed to accept the failed socialism system that created the largest mass of poor people.
slunteri
reply to post by Another_Nut
Capitalism is a fine system so long as its inhabitants are what economics terms 'rational actors'. Rational actors balance cost and product and ultimately purchase the best product at the lowest price. Cost is a simple factor to evaluate. Evaluating the elements of a best product is more nuanced, but some exemplary choices many American idiot exceptionalists make is big box over local, foreign over domestic, vile over virtuous.
Unfortunately, our country is filled with idiots, probably some on here bashing capitalism from their Apples. Idiots and capitalism mix like gas tanks and British Petroleum.
Another_Nut
reply to post by Hoosierdaddy71
O i am trying but when you are poor its not easy
So i tell you what Mr moneybags
You send me the 5k i need for passports and plane tickets
And ill send you a pic from my new place
See when you are working to just make ends meet there is no discretionary spending money to do as you say
And i have been trying. Trust meedit on pm220142807America/ChicagoSat, 01 Feb 2014 19:36:02 -0600_2u by Another_Nut because: (no reason given)
amfirst1
LOL capitalism created the middleclass. People have been brainwashed to accept the failed socialism system that created the largest mass of poor people.
Hoosierdaddy71
reply to post by Another_Nut
Do you think I never had a low paying job? I started at minimum wage just like everyone else. My first full time job was $6hr.
Does that sound like I was living in luxury? Don't tell me i don't know what it's like to scrape by week to week because I surely do. My wife worked at a fabric store for a long time and she was not being overpaid. She got a job as a bank teller and has worked her way up to manager. She knows that it's not easy. I can tell you from experience that hard work and making good choices in your life do pay off in the long run.
Communism unlike Socialism , doesn't allow for any private ownership of business or real property (Personal property is another thing) It provides equally for all peoples regardless of their ability to work or not work and provides all basics without cost to the person. In theory it was supposed to be the workers paradise, in practice, well we saw what happened to the Soviet Union.
Nephalim
reply to post by vkey08
Communism unlike Socialism , doesn't allow for any private ownership of business or real property (Personal property is another thing) It provides equally for all peoples regardless of their ability to work or not work and provides all basics without cost to the person. In theory it was supposed to be the workers paradise, in practice, well we saw what happened to the Soviet Union.
Explain the property tax. It doesnt allow for real property ownership, it guaruntees buy to rent and everyone has access to it. Isnt that communism?
Nephalim
reply to post by vkey08
Ok, lets define communism.
meriam webster
a way of organizing a society in which the government owns the things that are used to make and transport products (such as land, oil, factories, ships, etc.) and there is no privately owned property
If I am taxing my citizens property. I am taking from them first of all, what is not mine to take without directly taking the property. (I take currency in its place) and I am then GIVING that currency (from a source that does not generate income) to someone else who does not have it.
When a person does not pay this tax, what happens?
vkey08
Nephalim
reply to post by vkey08
Ok, lets define communism.
meriam webster
a way of organizing a society in which the government owns the things that are used to make and transport products (such as land, oil, factories, ships, etc.) and there is no privately owned property
If I am taxing my citizens property. I am taking from them first of all, what is not mine to take without directly taking the property. (I take currency in its place) and I am then GIVING that currency (from a source that does not generate income) to someone else who does not have it.
When a person does not pay this tax, what happens?
You still are not understanding the difference between a tax and non ownership. By your logic, anything you get in the store should not be taxed either... as it doesn't belong to them, taxes are separate from Political systems.. They are, unfortunately the way towns and cities (and the states and Federal Govt) make money and pay their employees.
And yes you can have your property seized for non payment of taxes, but then you agree to that when you move anywhere, so no it still is not communism.. it's Taxes.. and failure to pay them comes with a penalty, it doesn't mean you don't own it, it just means that as a condition of owning it, you must comply and adhere to the laws of the municipality and state you live in.
Or would you rather not ot have fire protection, police protection, ems, schools, et al?
Nephalim
You cannot ever own property if you keep paying for it. No matter the justification. Taxes are not separate from political systems. They are a direct result of political systems.
You cannot have your property siezed by GOVERNMENT for non payment of taxes if so, This proves the point. That is communism. Government now owns property and took it in attempt to provide for a service provided by government. See the loop.
Tell me, what do you think about human farming? Which is to say, citizens used as resource by government or even societies?
Your birth certificate is a security on the stock exchange! (~4:00-4:15)
Hoosierdaddy71
Another_Nut
reply to post by Hoosierdaddy71
O i am trying but when you are poor its not easy
So i tell you what Mr moneybags
You send me the 5k i need for passports and plane tickets
And ill send you a pic from my new place
See when you are working to just make ends meet there is no discretionary spending money to do as you say
And i have been trying. Trust meedit on pm220142807America/ChicagoSat, 01 Feb 2014 19:36:02 -0600_2u by Another_Nut because: (no reason given)
You tell me I'm wrong and ask for a handout,,,, to funny.
Ten years ago I risked everything I had to start a business. I busted my butt and it paid off. I never said it was easy or guaranteed. Sorry for your situation but I don't see how any other economic system would change that situation. Again I say, show me a better system.