reply to post by Bluesma
His books are actual dialogues of his talks.
He does not tell people what to do (or think) - he examines with the audience. Exploring subjects like 'relationship' and 'thought'.
I found his books open the mind - they show a different approach to the 'normal' way of seeing (than one has been conditioned to from society).
He asserts the distinction between conditioned thought and truly creative thinking.
Oh I see.
I am speaking of a book that was written by someone else, and was aimed at spreading his knowledge to readers.
But perhaps I have misunderstood you, and you mean to suggest that his talks served to begin a opening of the mind, which could facilitate the listeners ability to then part on their own? That sounds likely to me. It is an idea that I have put forth concerning religions in general- that it may be a necessary or essential phase of spiritual growth, which in order to be "successful" the follower must leave behind at some moment. To reject... graduate, in a sense.
But how to pull the pacifier from their mouths? People get attached to their gurus, their religions, their avatars, and become unable to let them go.
People are attached to their preconceived ideas and fail to truly hear what a sage is saying.
To listen without the mind (preconceived ideas) is not easy.
Until the mind gets out of the way hearing is (almost) impossible.
Jesus (the prophet) tried to teach the deaf to hear and the blind to see.
A few days before his death, in a final statement, he declared that nobody among either his associates or the general public had understood what had happened to him (as the conduit of the teaching), nor had they understood the teaching itself.
But one can feel good telling themselves that "I finally get it- I hear the REAL CORRECT interpretation of their words! Others do not... I have become a vessel for wisdom!" but what is that conception worth? It is just another conception, along the search to to rid oneself of conceptions.
Did Sidhartha run from suffering? Or Boredom?
Did he seek meaning, or an escape from meaning?
Did he embrace and value suffering as a conduit,
Or did he run from it and hope to aid others avoid it?
Boredom is an emotional state experienced when an individual is left without anything in particular to do, and not interested in their surroundings.
My point about "having the REAL CORRECT interpretation and wisdom" (having "eyes that see, and ears that hear")is that
in thinking that,
one assumes there IS a REAL and CORRECT universal form of truth and wisdom to hear or see!edit on 4-2-2014 by Bluesma because: (no reason given)
No there is no such "prevailing doctrines" that they disobeyed.
Ancient teachings of self knowledge were around before them, that means they certainly obeyed prevailing "doctrines" .
It is not a matter of following someone else's doctrine.If you wanted to learn to fly a plane and did not know how to fly one by yourself you would trust and listen to the teacher's instructions on how to fly.
Some people can listen to the inner' Buddha' and do not need to externalize a teacher.
Yes Buddha was a prince. Yes Buddha was a yogi. Buddha was an acetic.
These words successful prince, successful yogi, successful acetic are just some labels you don't want to put on Buddha in your mind.
You just don't want to see Buddha as successful.
His very enlightenment shows us he did not fail.
To know what you are you must first know what you are not.
Oh I see.
The thread is about sages and prophets telling people what to do. There will always be misunderstanding. If one was to spend time with the actual sage (not read a book by someone else about what they think the sage meant) - the true message may be heard. Although people will always have preconceived ideas that blind them - it is the preconceived ideas that are the problem.
I've spent time with "sages" and "gurus".
reply to post by Itisnowagain
They never really said it outright, but they implied that through their teachings I could find what I was seeking for. But I only ever found what they were seeking for.
What was it you were seeking for?
What in your opinion do seekers seek?
I don't wish too seek anything. I just wish to seek.
They never really said it outright, but they implied that through their teachings I could find what I was seeking for.