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SloAnPainful
reply to post by neo96
Just buy carbon offsets and you'll save the environment Neo... It's just that easy...
/end sarcasm
-SAP-
There are models, there are theories, but there is not concrete evidence that Man has diverted the course of the Earth and its natural system in regards to the weather.
Just buy carbon offsets and you'll save the environment
No, it's not certain that warming is being caused by us. Only a 95% chance.
Phage
reply to post by SloAnPainful
Just buy carbon offsets and you'll save the environment
You can't do that. There is no such thing.
A carbon credit is a generic term for any tradable certificate or permit representing the right to emit one tonne of carbon dioxide or the mass of another greenhouse gas with a carbon dioxide equivalent (tCO2e) equivalent to one tonne of carbon dioxide.[1][2
I disagree I think there's a 100% it's all the hot air coming from the global warming crowd.
Phage
reply to post by neo96
I disagree I think there's a 100% it's all the hot air coming from the global warming crowd.
What a surprise. I disagree with you.edit on 1/30/2014 by Phage because: (no reason given)
webedoomed
reply to post by neo96
A simple yes or no will suffice.
Are you honestly unaware of how many lies are in your posts on this thread?
I'm appalled.
It disgusts me to witness such degree of ignorance.
For shame!
I don't know.
How does the creation of green laws in this country that destroys jobs, and wealth in this country, and transfers them to other countries around the world, that don't have them green laws save the planet ?
I don't suppose they would.
How do laws in 1 countries out of hundreds stop,prevent or stop the Earth from doing what it has continually been doing for the past 5 billion years ?
Yeah, well. The Earth has survived but living things have had their ups and downs. I haven't heard any claims that global warming, human caused or otherwise will destroy the Earth. Just that it will really screw up our kid's lives.
That has survived meteors,ice ages, comets,super volcanos, and everything else the universe has thrown at it ?
Managed to screw it up pretty well, what with dams, factories, nuclear power plant and suchlike.
Does man think himself so arrogant that he even has a modicum of the power of mother nature ?
I would agree with that.
Politicians have created the most asinine laws the people have ever seen.
Don't whiz in my water.
To controlling the air we breath, the water we drink to where people can or can't take a whiz.
You won't die. Things will get very unpleasant, depending on how old you are. If you have kids they will have real problems. But it's pretty much too late, the damage is done for the near term (75 years or so). It's the long term that any changes we make now will benefit. But it ain't gonna happen so why bother. Right?
I want to know how the massive regulation totalitarian state will save me.
Managed to screw it up pretty well, what with dams, factories, nuclear power plant and suchlike.
You won't die. Things will get very unpleasant, depending on how old you are. If you have kids they will have real problems. But it's pretty much too late, the damage is done for the near term (75 years or so). It's the long term that any changes we make now will benefit. But it ain't gonna happen so why bother. Right?
neo96
I wish I could get an answer to this for some odd reason all the proponents of global warming will never give me an answer.
So how do more laws in one country out of over 270 'save the planet' ?
Global warming has been hijacked by politics because it gives them another means of control.
And propaganda is abound on how to 'justify' that totalitarianism.
neo96
See most excellent point carbon credits.
Is pollution redistribution just buy 'tons' for the pun of carbon credits, and keep polluting.
Meanwhile the US has them most awesome 'green laws' that has killed job and wealth creation countries like China are becoming greater polluters.
And yeah certain people will make billions off them carbon credits creating another bubble that has the potential to burst thus creating the next 'bailout' scenario.
neo96
How do laws in 1 country out of hundreds prevent or stop the Earth from doing what it has continually been doing for the past 5 billion years ?
That has survived meteors,ice ages, comets,super volcano's, and everything else the universe has thrown at it ?
Does man think himself so arrogant that he even has a modicum of the power of mother nature ?
Politicians think they do.
Politicians have created the most asinine laws the people have ever seen.
To controlling the air we breath, the water we drink to where people can or can't take a whiz.
I want to know how the massive regulation totalitarian state will save me.
Phage
What sort of "concrete evidence" do you expect to see to indicate that the warming trend we are seeing is caused by human influences?
When you start eliminating other influences which could cause it (i.e.the sun hasn't gotten significantly hotter in the past century but temperatures have risen) and when you see that the trend does coincide with models based on CO2 increases, and CO2 levels have steadily increased, what do you have left? Do you just chalk it up to, "well, it must be something else because it sure can't be because of us." Ok.
No, it's not certain that warming is being caused by us. Only a 95% chance.
This is a lie. There is no one country which is attempting to take on global warming.
This is a lie. You are choosing to see control, when it's mere regulation.
Are you aware what totalitarianism means? If so, you're lying yet again.
Carbon credits work to disincentivize corporations from polluting in excess of what's necessary. The way you have stated is a lie
You have chosen to lie by omission. Jobs are created by these "green laws", and all of the green sectors which have sprung up
There will always ben people who look to exploit the system. This in no way disounts the benefit of the system. Your statement is a copout.
Why do you think it's just this one country which is debating policies relating to climate change? You're lying here.
This in no way relates to the topic at hand. There are things which are in our control, and things which are not. You are choosing to falsely relate knowns which are out of our control, with knowns that can be controlled to an extent.
In the context of changing the temperature of the earth by pollution from industry, yes, we know this to be a fact. There is no arrogance in admitting facts for the sake of keeping to the truth.
This is a lie. If the politicians agreed on the issue of climate change, we wouldn't be having this discussion. There would be action, and your ignorance would be of no consequence.
Contextual lie.
Do you think our air or water shouldn't be regulated to certain standards? That's bizarre.
The last lie I'm going to call out. There is no totalitarian state. If we were totalitarian, you wouldn't be able to speak as you do