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spiritualzombie
Eventually maybe we learn from our mistakes. Eventually maybe we read the words of wisdom from the greatest spiritual teachers and actually take it to heart and apply it to policy.
Eventually none of that happens because the problem isn't people with money or people without money it's people.
This idea that being poor makes anyone more noble or honorable then someone with money is wrong.
I'm doing okay financially thanks to living a controlled but comfortable lifestyle , working hard in a place that does well with a high level and valued skill set. Tell me again why my wealth should be redistributed to the guy around the corner that spends his day sitting on the step smoking pot? Tell me again why someone with 8 billion times my wealth should have their money taken and given to the guy around the corner that spends his day sitting on the step smoking pot?
Besides it not making sense to me whenever you steal from one class or person to give to another all you do is play a shell game with the problem. I don't see redistribution of wealth as accomplishing anything.
beezzer
reply to post by AlwaysIdeaMan
A star for your first, highly idealistic post!
Unfortunately we all live in a world filled with greed, avarice, want, need that supercedes lofty ideals.
But welcome to ATS. Look forward to your contributions.
jacobe001
reply to post by spiritualzombie
The solution is not to take others wealth.
The reason the income inequality is so huge and increasing is because those with wealth are able to buy politicians to pass their policies and to serve them over the best interests of the country.
You could say they are stealing from many Americans when they lobby for Trade Deals with Communist China where the average Chinese does not have the Freedom and RIghts like Americans do to fight against the Communist Government when corporations come in and crap and piss in their rivers and skies for greater profits or to take advantage of cheap labor.
Americans with Freedoms and RIghts would never allow these corps to do that here since we have the technology to subvert that.
A lot of the Big Corporations and Banks love Communism when they are on the receiving end of the benefits enjoyed from Chinese Communist Policies.
The solution is to take money out of politics so all Americans, rich and poor have a say instead of the few with money.edit on 30-1-2014 by jacobe001 because: (no reason given)edit on 30-1-2014 by jacobe001 because: (no reason given)
AlwaysIdeaMan
beezzer
reply to post by AlwaysIdeaMan
A star for your first, highly idealistic post!
Unfortunately we all live in a world filled with greed, avarice, want, need that supercedes lofty ideals.
But welcome to ATS. Look forward to your contributions.
Seems to me that there is no definition of "greed" when we all can have whatever we want to live and pursue what we love to do. "Want" in the sense of poverty is eliminated, and in the sense of just wanting something is fulfilled. What would motivate avarice?
TDawgRex
I've looked up Welfare, Benefits, and Entitlements and they are all quite similiar according to the dictionary. At least in my view.
Time for a massive change. I vote for a mass redistribution of wealth.
neo96
Charity is a voluntary act of good will towards their neighbor.
Welfare is a mandatory sadist act against their neighbor.
They are all considered entitlements, and that is why we are seeing this propaganda coming from the rich that all entertainments are “welfare”.
beezzer
AlwaysIdeaMan
beezzer
reply to post by AlwaysIdeaMan
A star for your first, highly idealistic post!
Unfortunately we all live in a world filled with greed, avarice, want, need that supercedes lofty ideals.
But welcome to ATS. Look forward to your contributions.
Seems to me that there is no definition of "greed" when we all can have whatever we want to live and pursue what we love to do. "Want" in the sense of poverty is eliminated, and in the sense of just wanting something is fulfilled. What would motivate avarice?
People will always "want" more. More then they have.
More than the other guy has.
We are a very base species. We still need to evolve.
What would motivate avarice? The same thing that has moved us from caves to huts to castles to mansions. Greed motivates. It's an ugly, base motivator, but it does motivate.
beezzer
AlwaysIdeaMan
beezzer
reply to post by AlwaysIdeaMan
A star for your first, highly idealistic post!
Unfortunately we all live in a world filled with greed, avarice, want, need that supercedes lofty ideals.
But welcome to ATS. Look forward to your contributions.
Seems to me that there is no definition of "greed" when we all can have whatever we want to live and pursue what we love to do. "Want" in the sense of poverty is eliminated, and in the sense of just wanting something is fulfilled. What would motivate avarice?
People will always "want" more. More then they have.
More than the other guy has.
We are a very base species. We still need to evolve.
What would motivate avarice? The same thing that has moved us from caves to huts to castles to mansions. Greed motivates. It's an ugly, base motivator, but it does motivate.
beezzer
It doesn't start with "the government".
Anytime I see a solution being proposed with "it starts with the government" I cringe.
It has to start with "the people".
And Social Security is money you lent the government that they have to pay back with interest....
ketsuko
reply to post by TerryMcGuire
See, I never wanted to keep playing once it was self-evident who had won. There was no more point, and I never made up schemes to keep gaming them into it.
But to me, I learned early on that the point was playing the game, not necessarily the winning. I wanted to play and play well, and if that got me a win, so much the better, and if not, then at least I knew I played the best game I could.
Charity is a voluntary act of good will towards their neighbor.
Welfare is a mandatory sadist act against their neighbor.
And Social Security is money you lent the government that they have to pay back with interest...
beezzer
It has to start with "the people".
The people need to change. then from that pool of people, we elect one, then another, then another. . . . . . then government can change and deal with corporations and influences.
But it has to start with us.
WE need to change. We need to say, "I don't trust government, I refuse to rely on a corrupt government".
This entire "wealth redistribution" has us, you and I and others, yammering at ourselves, while they (corporations and government) stand back and watch at the meme they created.